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1Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/2/2015, 3:32 pm

Sal

Sal

Thank you, President Obama!!

Up yours, Bibi, Bonehead Boehner, and the MIC!!


http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/world/iran-nuclear-talks/

2Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/2/2015, 3:38 pm

gatorfan



They are a million miles away from a "deal". It's a "framework" with milestones and requirements that I don't see Iran agreeing to in the future. They are stalling for time.

Remember "mission accomplished" - don't be that guy.......

3Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/2/2015, 3:45 pm

KarlRove

KarlRove

A framework to fail. Any of you dems remember the stupidity of Iraq and and sanctions?

4Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/2/2015, 4:02 pm

KarlRove

KarlRove

Entire capitulation on the part of Obama.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/02/iran-triumphant-nuclear-deal-capitulates-to-nearly-all-iranian-demands/

5Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/2/2015, 4:16 pm

2seaoat



A journey starts with a first step. America and their allies are in agreement that Iran should not have nuclear weapons. We will need to see the next few steps to judge the journey.

6Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/2/2015, 4:25 pm

KarlRove

KarlRove

2seaoat wrote:A journey starts with a first step. America and their allies are in agreement that Iran should not have nuclear weapons. We will need to see the next few steps to judge the journey.

That few steps with Saddam was a total ignoring of the international community from 1991 to 2003.

7Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/2/2015, 4:44 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

KarlRove wrote:
2seaoat wrote:A journey starts with a first step.   America and their allies are in agreement that Iran should not have nuclear weapons.  We will need to see the next few steps to judge the journey.

That few steps with Saddam was a total ignoring of the international community from 1991 to 2003.

Yes and Saddam had mountains of yellowcake, WMDs, and all of the other bullshit that Bush/Cheney claimed they had before our invasion of their country. They ended up not having any of it. The joke was on us. But, Dumbya invaded their country anyway.

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8Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/2/2015, 4:50 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Sal wrote:Up yours, Bibi, Bonehead Boehner, and the MIC!!

I'll second that!


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9Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/2/2015, 5:07 pm

boards of FL

boards of FL

This is a great day for Americans. Terrible day for republicans.


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10Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/2/2015, 5:20 pm

Sal

Sal

Is that air raid sirens I'm hearing, or just the wingnutz screeching from the butthurt?

11Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/2/2015, 11:27 pm

Markle

Markle

Fantastic agreement!

Again with the Progressives and their wishful thinking.

We have a deal, to talk about a deal maybe in three months.

So Iran has another three months to work on their weapon technology while they roll on the floor laughing at our semi-retired President.

This is exactly how North Korea played us and...now have nuclear weapons.

12Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/3/2015, 12:20 am

2seaoat



This is exactly how North Korea played us and...now have nuclear weapons.




So North Korea agreed to inspections.......wow.....who knew that we have our own propaganda which matches the North Korean propaganda.
....pure idiocy.

13Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/3/2015, 8:21 am

knothead

knothead

2seaoat wrote:This is exactly how North Korea played us and...now have nuclear weapons.




So North Korea agreed to inspections.......wow.....who knew that we have our own propaganda which matches the North Korean propaganda.
....pure idiocy.


Love that delicious North Korean coffee but am running low on melted snow!

14Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/3/2015, 8:50 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/04/02/iran-deal-or-no-deal

Rare are the moments when enormously complex situations lend themselves to unambiguous yes-or-no answers. This is one of them.

"A full-page ad in this week’s The Washington Post portrayed President Obama as history’s favorite whipping boy, Neville Chamberlain. It was wrong in nearly every one of its many strident particulars.

It was wrong in suggesting that a nuclear agreement with Iran is appeasement. It was wrong in comparing Iran with Nazi Germany. It was wrong to argue that Iran “has control over five Middle Eastern capitals.” It was wrong to suggest counter-intuitively that a deal somehow allows Iran to “become a nuclear power.”

But on one thing it was right: The current choice posed by the pending agreement with Iran couldn’t be clearer.

Rare are the moments in foreign policy when enormously complex situations lend themselves to unambiguous yes-or-no answers. The ad, sponsored by the anodyne-sounding World Values Network, is an expensive effort to persuade readers to say no to an agreement with Iran.

For those of us in the United States who believe that principled diplomatic engagement with Iran is the path to peace and stability in the Middle East — a majority of the population, according to polls, but not necessarily a majority of Congress — the answer is an unambiguous yes. If negotiators agree on the details of a preliminary agreement, then this deal will be a historic step forward.

After all, this is more than just a nuclear agreement. It’s more than just a way to usher Iran back into the international community. It’s more even than a foundation stone for regional peace and stability (an aspiration that seems to become ever more elusive each day).

The deal that negotiators are going down to the wire to hammer out ultimately represents a referendum on the Obama administration’s overall foreign policy. On one side are those who favor long, patient, and often frustrating negotiations. On the other side are those who favor conflict, rollback, and even war.

“We won’t buy the same horse twice,” opponents of negotiations with North Korea would often say when facing the prospect of Pyongyang offering once again to freeze its nuclear program in exchange for some package deal. When it comes to the Middle East, the horseshoe is on the other foot. We bought the warhorse once already with the disastrous campaign in Iraq.

And that’s exactly what the opponents of the Iran deal are offering again by portraying Iran as Nazi Germany and any Western leader that shrinks from attacking this evil entity as a latter-day Chamberlain figure. It’s the argument of the full-page ad, recent op-eds by John Bolton in The New York Times and Joshua Muravchik in The Washington Post, the current Israeli government, a range of well-funded organizations in the United States, and a large number of congressional representatives that follow their lead.

Fortunately, virtually the whole world is against them.

The Devil and the Details

The news out of Switzerland is that the negotiations between the P5+1 (the UN Security Council members plus Germany) and Iran have been extended by one day to reach a compromise. This would not be the final agreement. At best, it would be the outline of a framework agreement. Further negotiations would fill in the details before all sides would sign a final agreement by June 30.

According to news accounts, disagreements remain over what Iran will retain under the terms of the deal. And some of these details may not be worked out in full until June. Two of the major sticking points have to do with centrifuges and stockpiles.

To enrich uranium, Iran constructed approximately 18,000 centrifuges. The Iranian negotiators have argued that they need to retain a part of this complex for research and development, to generate medical isotopes, and so on. The original U.S. position was that Iran should get rid of them all. The compromise position has been 6,000 centrifuges, down from an estimated 10,000 that are currently in operation.

Bomb-grade uranium requires enrichment to at least 90 percent. Iran had managed to accumulate a stockpile of enriched uranium in the 20-percent range. The agreement will probably set a ceiling on enrichment in the range of 5 percent.

Iran also initially indicated it was willing to reduce its 17,000 pounds of material and relocate some of it outside the country, most likely to Russia. The stockpile could then be converted into fuel for a civilian nuclear energy program and shipped back to Iran for that purpose. The two sides haven’t yet worked out an agreement on this issue.

There has been much talk about “break-out” time. This is the time it would take for Iran to acquire enough highly enriched uranium to make one bomb.

Negotiators have been talking about a one-year period for “break-out.” This figure is misleading, however. It doesn’t take into account weaponizing, testing, and miniaturizing for the purposes of constructing a warhead for a missile. In reality, any freeze on Iranian nuclear capabilities would extend by several years the date by which Iran could have a hypothetical nuclear weapon and the means to deliver it if it chose to pursue one.

Moreover, it appears that Iran is now willing to consider an agreement for 15 years, a compromise from its initial position of only five years.

Another sticking point is what Iran gets for its willingness to freeze and roll back its program. Tehran wants oil and financial sanctions lifted immediately. The United States favors phasing sanctions out and maintaining a “snap back” option so that sanctions go back into force if Iran is found to be out of compliance.

Opponents of a deal have emphasized that Iran is an untrustworthy actor: the devil who speaks sweet words but plans bitter actions. Iran, they argue, has concealed its nuclear program in the past. It has not come clean with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). It has not abided by previous agreements.

Iran has indeed concealed its program in the past. Just as other countries have done, like Israel for example, which still refuses to confirm its nuclear status. But it’s critical to point out as well that, according to U.S. intelligence estimates in 2007, Iran abandoned its plan to pursue a nuclear weapon in 2003, and no evidence has emerged since then to suggest otherwise. However, Iran has continued with its nuclear program for purposes permitted under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

The current deal is being pursued not because the world trusts Iran on these issues, but because it doesn’t trust Iran.

Any nuclear deal will increase the level of scrutiny, inspections, and verification protocols. As for Iran’s compliance with agreements in the past, it has abided by the 2013 interim agreement. As former National Security Council staffer Gary Sick points out, Iran also held to the Algiers Accord that ended the 1979 hostage standoff. Only through additional engagement with the IAEA will we obtain more information about the questions that remain unanswered about Iran’s nuclear program in the past.

The War Party

Which brings us back to that full-page ad. It would be sensible to ignore such a screed if its arguments were not so commonplace in the public discourse, particularly among members of Congress.

The organization behind the ad, the World Values Network, is an initiative of Orthodox rabbi Shmuley Boteach, who has received funding from hardline neo-con billionaire Sheldon Adelson. It’s been pushing the “Iran is Nazi” meme for some time, and Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu echoed this theme in his address to Congress earlier this year, where both Adelson and Boteach applauded from the front of the House gallery.

But if the Iranian government were so intent on exterminating the world’s Jews, which the ad maintains, it would probably have started already with the 10,000 or so Jews who live in Iran, the largest community in the Middle East outside of Israel. But the Jewish community in Iran is not under threat of death. Although the community does experience some discrimination, it also practices its religion freely.

The ad goes on to make four demands.

The first three involve adding elements to a nuclear agreement that have nothing to do with nuclear issues: end threats against Israel, stop terrorism, cease stoning of women and hanging of gays. I’d like to see progress on those issues, but in this context they are non-starters, designed simply to push negotiations off the rails. If an agreement on the nuclear question can be reached, then the United States and other countries can start to raise these issues and others, either as part of another set of negotiations or normalization talks.

The fourth demand, to reject a deal that involves a “potentially catastrophic one-year-weapons-breakout period,” is at least germane to the nuclear talks. But it too is a non-starter. The bottom line is that if Iran wants to pursue a nuclear weapons program, it will do so, just as Israel did, out of perceived national interest. If we stop negotiations — or pursue the chimera of a “better deal” — Iran will have the option of pushing for breakout as soon as it can.

What’s potentially catastrophic, in other words, is not to bring Iran into the web of verification protocols.

Iran has influence throughout the Middle East. But it does not control five Middle Eastern capitals. This has been a popular right-wing meme, which Tom Cotton (R-AR) repeated when he appeared on Face the Nation and ticked off Tehran, Beirut, Baghdad, Damascus, and Sanaa. Iran certainly has influence in these places, but that does not amount to control. Given its close relationship with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States, not to mention Egypt and Turkey, the United States could use the nuclear negotiations with Iran as a first step toward bridging the divide between Shiites and Sunnis in the region.

No one expects that any agreement will trigger an immediate transformation inside Iran — no more than the arms control agreements with the Soviet Union in the 1970s turned that country into a Scandinavian paradise, though a nuclear agreement will definitely strengthen the hands of reformers inside Iran. As in the 1970s, the stakes are high and the choice is clear.

We either talk ourselves away from the precipice, or we plunge headlong over it."

© 2014 Foreign Policy In Focus

15Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/3/2015, 6:41 pm

Sal

Sal

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This is why I voted for Obama twice.

Congratulations, Mr. President.

16Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/4/2015, 2:46 pm

2seaoat



97% reduction

17Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/4/2015, 3:20 pm

KarlRove

KarlRove

by ZVUGKTUBM on 4/2/2015, 5:44 pm
KarlRove wrote:

2seaoat wrote:

A journey starts with a first step. America and their allies are in agreement that Iran should not have nuclear weapons. We will need to see the next few steps to judge the journey.

That few steps with Saddam was a total ignoring of the international community from 1991 to 2003.

Yes and Saddam had mountains of yellowcake, WMDs, and all of the other bullshit that Bush/Cheney claimed they had before our invasion of their country. They ended up not having any of it. The joke was on us. But, Dumbya invaded their country anyway.
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Saddam did have a lot of nerve agent. I have posted that evidence here on the forum. It was kept secret what was found so that dirka dirka terrorists would not also try
To find it. The VA admits too now that we were
All exposéd to nerve agents all over Iraq. I went to two separate locations that had contaminates of this Sarin gas. So, yes WMDs were present in Iraq.

18Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/4/2015, 3:45 pm

2seaoat



Nope

19Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/4/2015, 3:57 pm

KarlRove

KarlRove

Yep you're so FOS old man.

20Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/4/2015, 3:59 pm

KarlRove

KarlRove

Last years news old fart... Here u go

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793452/u-s-troops-did-chemical-weapons-iraq-pentagon-kept-secret-discovery-5-000-warheads-shells-saddam-hussein-s-abandoned-weapons-program-hushed-soldiers-injured.html

21Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/4/2015, 4:02 pm

Sal

Sal

KarlRove wrote:Last years news old fart... Here u go

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793452/u-s-troops-did-chemical-weapons-iraq-pentagon-kept-secret-discovery-5-000-warheads-shells-saddam-hussein-s-abandoned-weapons-program-hushed-soldiers-injured.html

Can you read?

22Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/4/2015, 4:04 pm

2seaoat



Nope.........buried after the Iran/Iraq war......makes as much sense as there are weapons of mass destruction in Milton because I once mixed bleach and ammonia and made chlorine gas......yep....that is the ticket......making chit up.

23Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/4/2015, 4:04 pm

KarlRove

KarlRove

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/10/16/new-york-times-reports-wmd-found-in-iraq

People like you Seaoat.... You dodged Vietnam yet you didn't want to give the guys who earned it their agent orange compensation. Now you want to deny Iraq vets their compensation. You are a gutless coward loser

24Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/4/2015, 4:06 pm

KarlRove

KarlRove

And now you are dying of cancer even before some of the guys who went to Nam. Karma

25Iran Nuke Deal Announced Empty Re: Iran Nuke Deal Announced 4/4/2015, 4:07 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Sal wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Last years news old fart... Here u go

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793452/u-s-troops-did-chemical-weapons-iraq-pentagon-kept-secret-discovery-5-000-warheads-shells-saddam-hussein-s-abandoned-weapons-program-hushed-soldiers-injured.html

Can you read?

That is the second time today KarlRove has posted a link to an article that contradicts the message he is trying to convey......


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