I've seen hundreds of 9/11 documentaries and this is by far the most riveting of all.

This is what it was like to be inside both Twin Towers near the point of impact told by the people who survived it. Ordinarily I don't have the attention span to watch an hour and forty-four minute video. But this one went by in what seemed like mere minutes.

Great video Bob. Thanks. Very sad and moving.

Seaoat,

The red arrow in this photo is pointing at the 22-story Marriot Hotel which was sandwiched between the twin towers.



This photo was taken as the South Tower (the first tower to collapse) was falling on to the top of the hotel.



This is what remained of the hotel after the South Tower fell on top of it



Unfortunately,  the photographer who took that last photo,  Bill Biggart,  was still standing in the vicinity when the second tower subsequently fell and it fell on top of him.  The camera survived but he did not.

This is what the hotel looked like following the second collapse.



15 people survived who were still inside that portion of the hotel when the second tower..  40 others (many of them firefighters searching for survivors of the first collapse) died inside the rest of the hotel which collapsed to the ground.
When the WTC was blown up in 1993,  the bomb was detonated in the parking garage directly under the hotel.  The portion of the hotel you see in that  photograph was destroyed in the bombing.  When it was rebuilt following the bombing,  it was built much stronger than the rest of the hotel.  That's why it was the only portion of the hotel still standing after the second tower collapsed.

To get some perspective on this,  remember that each floor of the 2 twin towers was a full one acre in size.  So for each tower,  that's a hundred and ten acres of steel and concrete and other material (weighing 500,000 tons) collapsing to the ground.
And although that hotel seems puny in comparison,  that was a 22-story hotel with 800 rooms in it,  almost four times larger than the Crowne Plaza in downtown Pensacola.

The airliner struck the North Tower more towards it's center.
As a result,  the damage the impact did was spread throughout the impact floors resulting in wreckage and debris blocking all stairwells.  For all those souls on the floors above,  there was no escape.  Roughly 1400 people on those floors died.
The plane hit the South Tower more off center.  That left one stairwell in one far corner of the building still passable for those above the impact floors.  600 died.

Right at 100 people total jumped from the two Towers.
From what I can gather,  most all of those were on the impact floors themselves.  
We see them hanging out the windows at first just to be able to breath.  There is one photo which shows about two dozen of them hanging out the windows all in a row and one of them has climbed out onto debris sticking out from the building.  At a height, mind you,  which is literally eight times higher than the tallest floor on the tallest building in downtown Pensacola.

And then we can surmise what happened.  They had been hanging out those windows for a good half hour or more.  And all of a sudden the flames are licking at their backs.  And the only way to prevent the agony of being burned to death is to choose to go quick.
Count off "one,  one,  thousand - two, one, thousand - three, one, thousand - etc. until you get up to eight, one, thousand",  and that's how long they had to think about what was happening to them.

This is probably the most highly resolved photo of it I've seen so far.  Notice he never even had time to think about removing his suitcoat.

No as I look at it again,  it's a fake photo.  Not the left half of it,  the right half.
But the image of the person on the left is real.

Here's another real photo
p.s.  that's not my caption,  but I like it...

Sadly, I now think that last photo is probably a fake too.

I wonder what kind of mind it is which would want to create a fake photo of people jumping from the World Trade Center?

Damn my observation powers are leaving me as I get older. I didn't even notice that url in the corner of the photo till now.
Looks like this is the sick mind responsible...

http://heartagramproductions.com/

Whoever he is,  he has this page on his website telling us "this is who am I am".
And it's pointing to that music video you see on the page.
Here are the lyrics to the video.

http://heartagramproductions.com/category/fuck-em-survive/

The future teaches you to be alone
The present to be afraid and cold
So if I can shoot rabbits
Then I can shoot fascists

Bullets for your brain today
But we'll forget it all again
Monuments put from pen to paper
Turns me into a gutless wonder

And if you tolerate this
Then your children will be next
And if you tolerate this
Then your children will be next
Will be next, will be next, will be next

Gravity keeps my head down
Or is it maybe shame
At being so young and being so vain

Holes in your head today
But I'm a pacifist
I've walked La Ramblas
But not with real intent

And if you tolerate this
Then your children will be next
And if you tolerate this
Then your children will be next
Will be next, will be next, will be next, will be next

And on the street tonight an old man plays
With newspaper cuttings of his glory days

And if you tolerate this
Then your children will be next
And if you tolerate this
Then your children will be next
Will be next, will be next, will be next

Bob wrote:Damn my observation powers are leaving me as I get older.  I didn't even notice that url in the corner of the photo till now.  
Looks like this is the sick mind responsible...

http://heartagramproductions.com/

Thanks Bob for sending me to a nasty porn sight..I just ate lunch......yeech!

Whatever I see, you see, teo.
I will write this any way anyone wishes me to except for one condition. I don't do censorship and that includes self-censorship.
It's all part of the story. Right down to the individual who would use it for the purpose he did. So to leave him out would be like leaving the genitals off Michaelangelo's David.

See I can't even leave this part out either even though it makes me look ignorant. I couldn't think of the name of that statute so I had to google "name of ancient male statute with his genitals exposed". lol

Bob wrote:Whatever I see, you see,  teo.  
I will write this any way anyone wishes me to except for one condition.  I don't do censorship and that includes self-censorship.  
It's all part of the story.  Right down to the individual who would use it for the purpose he did.  So to leave him out would be like leaving the genitals off Michaelangelo's David.

See I can't even leave this part out either even though it makes me look ignorant.  I couldn't think of the name of that statute so I had to google "name of ancient male statute with his genitals exposed".  lol

No Bob this was the yeechy picture,
I blocked out most of the yeech stuff....

Jesus all I did was click on that page to see what it was. I didn't try to navigate it because I was too scared to. Good god I'm glad I didn't.
I guess we can take that not believing in censorship bit too far because that needs to be deleted. lol

Say what you will about our moderator,  but if this was still the PNJ forum, you and I (and Chrissy because she woulda been involved) would be banned by now.  So give bds credit for not banning us.  lol

Bob wrote:Say what you will about our moderator,  but if this was still the PNJ forum,  you and I (and Chrissy because she woulda been involved) would be banned by now.  So give bds credit for not banning us.  lol

There's still time ..he's probably tied up trying to make markle understand why Obama is the greatest president since FDR...

TEOTWAWKI wrote:he's probably tied up trying to make markle understand why Obama is the greatest president since FDR...

Don't worry because markle won't buy it since markle knows about the cliven poward thing and knows obama and saddam have the same name. Not to mention he's semi-retired.

I was bothered by officials telling folks in the second tower to stay in the tower because it is stable and the plaza is too crowded with emergency personnel to handle them as the first building is not stable. I cringed when hearing that......but the good news was how many people were able to escape compared to building 1. I was also bothered by the lighting in the staircases. Sure there were drywall fire stops which caved in on the stairs, but many people were feeling their way down in the dark. We had the technology and the codes which should have had battery back up escape lights in those stairwells.

2seaoat wrote:I was bothered by officials telling folks in the second tower to stay in the tower because it is stable and the plaza is too crowded with emergency personnel to handle them as the first building is not stable.   I cringed when hearing that......but the good news was how many people were able to escape compared to building 1.   I was also bothered by the lighting in the staircases.   Sure there were drywall fire stops which caved in on the stairs, but many people were feeling their way down in the dark.   We had the technology and the codes which should have had battery back up escape lights in those stairwells.

All valid points.
But keep in mind that,  before 9/11,   no one ever conceived of the towers being struck by fully fueled jumbo jets traveling at full cruising speed and the damage which would result.  
No one in positions of authority including the original building architects and engineers ever even imagined a scenario like that.  They've convinced me that all they could envision was  an accidental airplane strike when the airplane was approaching the airport to land at a slow speed and was not fully fueled and because of fog or other conditions had unknowingly dropped too low.  Like what resulted when the B-25 struck the Empire State Building in 1945.  That only damaged the area of direct impact and never blocked the occupants from being able to exit the building.
So in the moments after the airplanes struck on 9/11,  it never occurred to anyone making those decisions what the extent of the destruction was or that all the occupants of the building outside the impact area were in that kind of danger.  
AND there was a good precedent for why the occupants were told to stay put in their offices.
To help explain this,  I'll offer up on more video.  

This video is Brian Clark addressing a high school audience and recounting everything that happened to him that day.  You'll recognize Clark as being the person who is seen throughout the Inside The Towers documentary you've already watched.  
In this video you'll see him tell us that he was also in the South Tower when the WTC was bombed in 1993.  He was on the 31st floor at that time,  and recounts how when that one happened,  everyone rushed to the stairwells at once and were stampeding over each other to get down and it it took him two hours to get down 31 stories to the ground level.  
I imagine that was what contributed to the decision to want to keep the occupants from repeating that again on 9/11 by keeping them in their offices until there could be an orderly evacuation.  Remember,  NOBODY thought the towers would or even could collapse until the moment the first one actually did collapse.
Although he describes one specific situation that is just so insane that it boggles the mind.  That's when he tells about "Stanley" who actually (and miraculously) survived the direct impact of the airliner which hit the same floor he was on.  Somehow Stanley lived through that and got down 70 or 80 floors to the bottom.  But was then told by someone in authority that he couldn't leave the building and had to go back up.  So Stanley obeyed and climbed back up the 70 or 80 floors to his office.  It was only because Clark found him there on Clark's way down and took him back down that Stanley lived.

http://www.ae911truth.org/news-section/41-articles/655-faq-9-were-the-twin-towers-designed-to-survive-the-impact-of-the-airplanes.html

Not only were the towers designed to survive crashes of large jet aircraft, but they were designed to potentially survive multiple plane crashes. This assertion is supported by Frank A. Demartini, the on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, who said on January 25, 2001:
“The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door—this intense grid—and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.”
Demartini appeared to be so confident that the towers would not collapse that he stayed behind, after the airplane impacts, to help save at least 50 people. As a result of his actions, he lost his life on 9/11.

I disagree Bob. Every fire drill I have participated in since a child dealt with training people to be orderly and get out of the building. I do not understand at all the concept of not orderly getting into those staircases and getting out. These stops on floors to use phones, or wait for ten minutes made no sense to me. I argue that both buildings were terribly unprepared for an ordinary fire, let alone two jet planes. The lightening in those staircases are inexcusable. Also the technology was there to have self lighting floor grids similar to airplanes to guide people out in heavy smoke. Sorry, it has nothing to do with the planes. This could have been much much worse, but by the grace of god, a great many people overruled those who were telling them to go back up.

Okay everybody in authority were fools making stupid decisions based on nothing,  and the ones who designed and built the towers in the early 70's designed them to withstand being hit by MULTIPLE fully loaded 767's which hadn't even been invented yet traveling 500 mph so the only explanation can be the buildings were blown up by dick cheney and the illuminatti or new world order or whatever it's called.  
Got it.

Boeing 767  at 700 feet altitude:

The power plant will max out at 330 mph.

The plane will begin to shake itself apart at over 220 mph.

At 700 feet altitude, the air is so thick that if you go too fast you max the rotation of the turbines, the engines can't suck in air, and the engine starts acting as a brake

for seaoat,

firefighters in New York and elsewhere reluctantly adopted a "defend-in-place" strategy with large high-rise fires. They were allowed to burn out, while firefighters concentrated on evacuating people from the affected floor and those immediately above and below who were at greatest risk. Other occupants were told to stay put, since stairwells couldn't handle a rapid full-building exodus."

...when Islamic extremists exploded a truck bomb in the Trade Center's underground garage in 1993, forcing a complete evacuation, "it took us five hours to make sure everybody was out," said retired New York City deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn. "And we had floors that were [fire-] rated for two hours. There's a lot of problems with that."

http://www.cleveland.com/science/index.ssf/2011/08/a_decade_after_the_911_attacks.html

Top speed for a 767 is 898 kph/558 mph and that is at an altitude of about 30,000 feet


Top speed for a 767 is 898 kph/558 mph and that is at an altitude of about 30,000 feet,  at 30,000 feet the atmosphere is 1/3 the thickness of atmosphere at 700 feet. This would cause approximately 3 times as much drag so the top speed would be about 1/3 of the top speed at 30,000 feet, or about 200 to 300 mph at best, and that is with no wind.

making stupid decisions based on nothing

The first thing they do on a cruise is go over emergency protocols. I hate the waste of time, but it is mandatory for every passenger. Boat are not designed to sink, and buildings are not designed to collapse, but the safety protocols should bridge the gap. There is smoke and there is fire, and people were standing around for a half hour pulling their tee shirts off and sharing them for people to cover their mouths and noses. Where was the protocol to get people out? The trained safety volunteers in more than one incident were taking hysterical people up. It has nothing to do with airplanes. It has everything with drills to get people on lifeboats and out of buildings.