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FOR SEAOAT: The most right-wing bigoted place in the world slams the religion of peace

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands.

A new integration bill (covering letter and 15-page action plan), which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16, reads: "The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people. In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role. With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society."

The letter continues: "A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens. It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands. The integration will not be tailored to different groups."

The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants. For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language, and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants to ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.

The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner, "it is not the government's job to integrate immigrants." The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress. More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.

If necessary, the government will introduce extra measures to allow the removal of residence permits from immigrants who fail their integration course.

The measures are being imposed by the new center-right government of Conservatives (VVD) and Christian Democrats (CDA), with parliamentary support from the anti-Islam Freedom Party (PVV), whose leader, Geert Wilders, is currently on trial in Amsterdam for "inciting hatred" against Muslims.

As expected, Muslim organizations in Holland have been quick to criticize the proposals. The Moroccan-Dutch organization Samenwerkingsverband van Marokkaanse Nederlanders, which advises the government on integration matters, argues that Muslim immigrants need extra support to find a job. The umbrella Muslim group Contactorgaan Moslims en Overheid says that although it agrees that immigrants should be better integrated into Dutch society, it is opposed to a ban on burqas.

But polls show that a majority of Dutch voters support the government's skepticism about multiculturalism. According to a Maurice de Hond poll published by the center-right newspaper Trouw on June 19, 74 percent of Dutch voters say immigrants should conform to Dutch values. Moreover, 83 percent of those polled support a ban on burqas in public spaces.

The proper integration of the more than one million Muslims now living in Holland has been a major political issue ever since 2002, when Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn was assassinated for his views on Muslim immigration, and since 2004, when Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh was stabbed to death for producing a movie that criticized Islam.

Muslim immigration to the Netherlands can be traced back to the 1960s and 1970s, when a blue collar labor shortage prompted the Dutch government to conclude recruitment agreements with countries like Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and Turkey. In the 1980s and 1990s, Muslims also arrived in the Netherlands as asylum seekers and refugees, mainly from Afghanistan, Bosnia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Somalia.

There are now an estimated 1.2 million Muslims in the Netherlands, which is equivalent to about 6 percent of the country's overall population. Moroccans and Turks comprise nearly two-thirds of all Muslims in the Netherlands. Most Muslims live in the four major cities of the country: Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague and Utrecht.

As their numbers grow, Muslim immigrants have become increasingly more assertive in carving out a role for Islam within Dutch society. For example, a documentary aired by the television program Netwerk in June 2009 reported that Dutch law was being systematically undermined by the growth of Sharia justice in the Netherlands.

In December 2004, the Dutch Ministry of the Interior published a 60-page report titled From Dawa to Jihad. Prepared by the Dutch intelligence agency AIVD, the report says that the Netherlands is home to up to 50,000 radical Muslims whose key ideological aim is to target the Western way of life and to confront Western political, economic, and cultural domination.

The report concludes that Dutch society is poorly equipped to resist the threat of radical Islam because of "a culture of permissiveness" that has become synonymous with "closing one's eyes" to multiple transgressions of the law.

As for Interior Minister Donner, he has undergone a late-in-life conversion on the issue of Muslim immigration. In September 2006, while serving as justice minister, Donner provoked an outcry after saying that he welcomed the introduction of Islamic Sharia law in the Netherlands if the majority wants it. He also said Holland should give Muslims more freedoms to behave according to their traditions.

After applauding Queen Beatrix for respecting Islam by not insisting that a Muslim leader shake hands with her during a visit to the Mobarak Mosque in The Hague, Donner said: "A tone that I do not like has crept into the political debate on integration. A tone of: 'Thou shalt assimilate. Thou shalt adopt our values in public. Be reasonable, do it our way.' That is not my approach."

Fast forward to 2011 and Donner now says his government "will distance itself from the relativism contained in the model of a multicultural society." Although society changes, he says, it must not be "interchangeable with any other form of society."


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2219/netherlands-abandons-multiculturalism#

2seaoat



There are still people who believe that Homosexuality is bad, I tend to think bigotry projects a high price on a society, how did the Native Americans integrate into American life........maybe if we had a committee the hatred could be compromised and the trail of tears would not have happened........nope....stupid is alive and well. A burka ban or wear a yellow star.......Europe is such a great model for tolerance and equality. We have a constitution, but if you do not feel comfortable under those protections afforded to all Americans, you could always move to Europe......I hear the Danish cream puffs are good.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote: if you do not feel comfortable under those protections afforded to all Americans, you could always move...

That sounds very reminiscent of so many right-wing radio talk show callers I've heard over the last 50 years.  "Like it or leave it".  "I'll buy you a one-way ticket to Rooshie,  boy".  
Maybe you are a "lifelong republican" after all.  lol

p.s.  Nah,  I think instead I'll open a barbecue rib restaurant called "Mohammed's Meat".  Of course that's a "protection" you would not afford me.  lol

2seaoat



As long as you have that judge....why worry. I wish folks who do not like blacks, muslims, jews, catholics, and Mexicans would simply move somewhere they feel comfortable......instead of thinking that everybody else has to become them........I certainly would not want to be so afraid of those people that I had to carry a judge, so maybe you could try Australia.....

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote: I wish folks who do not like blacks, muslims, jews, catholics, and Mexicans

I see.  So if I don't like that gutter religion,  it automatically means I don't like jews,  catholics, blacks and mexicans as well.  Why stop with that,  it must also mean I don't like puppy dogs, motherhood and apple pie too.  lol

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Why am I compelled to like a religion that wants to stone me to death?
Why am I compelled to like a religion that makes women into slaves?

Why aint the devotees of that religion the bigots?  Why do they always get a pass for bigotry but I don't? Answer me that. lol

2seaoat



I just assumed you were afraid........maybe I am wrong. You are not scared of Muslims, but who is that judge for.........everybody else.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:.I certainly would not want to be so afraid of those people that I had to carry a judge, so maybe you could try Australia.....

1. I don't "carry" my Judge.

2. https://www.facebook.com/AustraliansAgainstMuslimDominance

2seaoat



So good Christians who also do not approve are bigots and should have their rights to practice their religion infringed by your new paradigm.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:So good Christians who also do not approve are bigots and should have their rights to practice their religion infringed by your new paradigm.

Yes,  any Christian,  Jew or atheist who wants to stone people to death for their sexual orientation and who wants to make women into slaves and who wants to shutdown Sonny's barbecue is my enemy.  Especially since Sonny's gives me a 25% senior discount. lol

2seaoat



What if they simply believe that your lifestyle choices are evil and they condemn the same without stoning you. They just use all their rights to condemn your lifestyle legally with written condemnation, and maybe a demonstration against the lifesyle. Are those Christian groups going to lose their rights under your new paradigm......

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:What if they simply believe that your lifestyle choices are evil and they condemn the same without stoning you.   They just use all their rights to condemn your lifestyle legally with written condemnation, and maybe a demonstration against the lifesyle.   Are those Christian groups going to lose their rights under your new paradigm......

Doesn't the same Constitution provide me with the right to oppose them?
Or do the protections afforded by our Constitution not apply to me as well?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Majority of Europe's Muslims Favor Sharia Over Democracy

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/majority-europes-muslims-favor-sharia-over-democracy

2seaoat



Well I thought you held up the Danish model of integration as rationale for your hatred of Muslims. You see they can ban the Burka, but our laws protect religious dress, so what is it going to be Bob......running off Christians and not letting them in America, or following the constitution.......or maybe the Christians can pass anti sodomy laws and return to Georgia 1950.......heck......that held up a long time as a crime........by golly they did not stone the homosexuals, but they put them in jail. No need to integrate with their kind.......right Bob.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:Well I thought you held up the Danish model of integration as rationale for your hatred of Muslims.   You see they can ban the Burka, but our laws protect religious dress, so what is it going to be Bob......running off Christians and not letting them in America, or following the constitution.......or maybe the Christians can pass anti sodomy laws and return to Georgia 1950.......heck......that held up a long time as a crime........by golly they did not stone the homosexuals, but they put them in jail.  No need to integrate with their kind.......right Bob.

They can wear all the rags they want. On their heads, on their butts, on their penises, wherever.
I honestly could not care less about how anybody dresses.
But I would outlaw speedos on anybody over 20 years old no matter what religion they are.


Yella

Yella

Bob wrote:
2seaoat wrote:So good Christians who also do not approve are bigots and should have their rights to practice their religion infringed by your new paradigm.

Yes,  any Christian,  Jew or atheist who wants to stone people to death for their sexual orientation and who wants to make women into slaves and who wants to shutdown Sonny's barbecue is my enemy.  Especially since Sonny's gives me a 25% senior discount.  lol

"Good Christians" I have heard this hundreds of times and always wonder about it. Is a "Bad Christian" someone who only puts up a facade so he will be accepted by Good Christians"? Maybe for business or political purposes?

http://warpedinblue,blogspot.com/

2seaoat



Bad Christian" someone who only puts up a facade so he will be accepted by Good Christians"?

Nope.....it is somebody who goes to the movies with Bob and does not say a thing about him stealing.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:

Nope.....it is somebody who goes to the movies with Bob and does not say a thing about him stealing.

I'll have to admit you do have a valid point seaoat. The muslims may strap bombs to children, force women to marry somebody they don't want to marry, kill women who have sex outside of marriage, kill queers, and cause people to jump out of the top of the world trade center. But regardless of all that I've never heard of a muslim doing something as heinous as sneaking milk duds into a movie theater.

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