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Real Obamacare numbers just 858,000 and not the 7.1 million the COWH claims

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http://drudgegae.iavian.net/r?hop=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594309/President-plans-victory-lap-strong-Obamacare-enrollment-Sebelius-faces-unpopular-law-blank-stare-tough-questions-remain-whos-signing-up.html

[*]President took a major victory lap and took political shots at Republicans, but ignored shortcomings in his administration's official numbers

[*]Press secretary Jay Carney will only say 'we're aggregating a lot of data' when asked how many enrollees have paid for coverage
[*]Carney dodged questions about damning study that showed very few Obamacare customers were uninsured before the law took effect
[*]Percentages from a hush-hush RAND Corporation study suggest barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans have enrolled and paid premiums
[*]HHS Secretary Sebelius met a televised challenge Monday about 'unpopular' Obamacare with lengthy awkward silence

A triumphant President Barack Obama declared Tuesday his signature medical insurance overhaul a success, saying it has made America's health care system 'a lot better' in a Rose Garden press conference.
But buried in the 7.1 million enrollments he announced in a heavily staged appearance is a more unsettling reality.

Numbers from a RAND Corporation study that has been kept under wraps suggest that barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans – nowhere near 7.1 million – have paid for new policies and joined the ranks of the insured by Monday night.



Barack Obama spoke about Affordable Care Act enrollment totals at the White House but took no questions, as Vice President Joe Biden stood by wordlessly and applauded

Real Obamacare numbers just 858,000 and not the 7.1 million the COWH claims Article-2594309-1CBEDB6E00000578-912_634x358

an ebullient Jay Carney, fresh from greeting his hometown world-champion Boston Red Sox, bragged about the administration's signup totals -- but hid the ball on thorny questions that could unravel the celebration

Others were already insured, including millions who lost coverage when their existing policies were suddenly cancelled because they didn't meet Obamacare's strict minimum requirements.

Still, he claimed that 'millions of people who have health insurance would not have it' without his insurance law
'The goal we’ve set for ourselves – that no American should go without the health care they need ... is achievable,' Obama declared.

The president took no questions from reporters, but celebrated the end of a rocky six-month open-enrollment period by taking pot shots at Republicans who have opposed the law from the beginning as a government-run seizure of one-seventh of the U.S. economy.

'The debate over repealing this law is over,' he insisted. 'The Affordable Care Act is here to stay.'

The president also chided conservatives 'who have based their entire political agenda on repealing it,' and praised congressional Democrats for their partisan passage of the law without a single GOP vote.
'We could not have done it without them, and they should be proud of what they've done,' Obama boasted, in a clear nod to November's contentious elections in which Republicans are expected to make large gains on an anti-Obamacare platform because of the law's general lack of popularity.


Debate is over? Republicans stand to make huge gains in the U.S. Senate in November, and increase their margin in the House, largely on the strength of Americans' weariness with Obamacare -- but the president for the first time Tuesday went out of his way to thank Democrats for making it happen

Real Obamacare numbers just 858,000 and not the 7.1 million the COWH claims Article-2594309-1CB9F4DC00000578-739_634x444

Still growing: The 'final' enrollment day for Obamacare saw long lines and eleventh-hour panic, but the administration has rolled out a red carpet for latecomers who are willing to check a box and swear they tried to sign up on time

Real Obamacare numbers just 858,000 and not the 7.1 million the COWH claims Article-2594309-1CBF794A00000578-468_638x452

Triumphant: Obama appears to have made good on his signature legislative pledge, but the numbers don't bear out his promises of insuring millions of uninsured Americans

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Are you sure that's not a border crossing photo?

anyway, that's about right. Even if 2-3 million squeak in by sneaking in as many illegals as possible its still not enough to sustain the program.

we are headed for a huge trillion dollar insurance co bailout soon on top of the burden of paying for the new handouts for something most of theses people already had and were paying for themselves.

cloward piven

boards of FL

boards of FL

Hey guys!  It turns out that all the Obamacare numbers are fake!  It's all just a conspiracy!  Here, read this British tabloid that confirms it!

You can always count on tabloids to blow cases like this wide open!


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polecat

polecat

OBAMACARE TRUTHERS!! Awesome

Did you hear about Rafael ted Cruz and his Facebook quick poll...
Problem? The Koch brothers don’t control the conversation on social media, the people do.
Are you better off now than you were before the ACA, also called Obamacare, was signed into law, four years ago.

Nearly 40,000 comments later, the resounding answer from people all across the country was YES.

People love the ACA.

People who responded to the question cited different reasons for saying that they’re better off since the ACA went into effect. Some pointed out that the ACA has saved them money, reduced their monthly premiums, and lowered deductibles and co-pays.

polecat

polecat

What the tea party doesn’t get is that everyone in the country has been covering their medical expenses for years. Obamacare means no more free riders. Everyone who can afford to, has to contribute to the system. Maybe that’s what they’re so mad about, underneath the surface of all that patriotic, flag waving showmanship.

There’s nothing patriotic about driving healthcare costs up for everyone else in the country, because you falsely believe that being asked to pay taxes is unconstitutional. There’s nothing patriotic about bankrupting the medical system, because you take a ‘moral position’ against buying health insurance. There’s certainly nothing patriotic about using it as a weapon in order to try and shut down the government.

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polecat wrote:People who responded to the question cited different reasons for saying that they’re better off since the ACA went into effect. Some pointed out that the ACA has saved them money, reduced their monthly premiums, and lowered deductibles and co-pays.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamacare-deductibles-deliver-hefty-sticker-shock/

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/18/report-premiums-rising-faster-than-eight-years-before-obamacare-combined/



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boards of FL wrote:Hey guys!  It turns out that all the Obamacare numbers are fake!  It's all just a conspiracy!  Here, read this British tabloid that confirms it!

You can always count on tabloids to blow cases like this wide open!

The Brits don't have a dog in the hunt here and are probably the most unbiased source. Sorry if it makes you butthurt to hear that the ACA is still and always will be caca.

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polecat wrote:OBAMACARE TRUTHERS!! Awesome

Did you hear about Rafael ted Cruz and his Facebook quick poll...
Problem? The Koch brothers don’t control the conversation on social media, the people do.
Are you better off now than you were before the ACA, also called Obamacare, was signed into law, four years ago.

Nearly 40,000 comments later, the resounding answer from people all across the country was YES.

People love the ACA.

People who responded to the question cited different reasons for saying that they’re better off since the ACA went into effect. Some pointed out that the ACA has saved them money, reduced their monthly premiums, and lowered deductibles and co-pays.

Link???? Or is that just your biased tripe?

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polecat wrote:



People love the ACA.



This says you lie.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

2seaoat



You cannot handicap stupidity.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

OBAMACARE TRUTHERS!! Awesome
 
No matter what figures get posted for the ACA, if they do not fit their ideological paradigm, they are not true....

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knothead

knothead

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:OBAMACARE TRUTHERS!! Awesome
 
No matter what figures get posted for the ACA, if they do not fit their ideological paradigm, they are not true....

Truer words have never been spoken Z . . . if the administration had have released numbers below their target the right would assail it because it was a failure; if the numbers were exorbitantly high they would say they are 'cooking' the books!
So, nothing new at all here . . . . things are slowly getting better and better and America is getting stronger and stronger. The beat goes on . . .

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by ZVUGKTUBM Today at 2:02 pm
OBAMACARE TRUTHERS!! Awesome

No matter what figures get posted for the ACA, if they do not fit their ideological paradigm, they are not true....
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The FIGURES do matter.
1) Who has paid?
2) who signed up after losing their previous insurance?

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Not hard questions to answer. Number two should be subtracted from the overall total because those would not be the "uninsured" you liberals keep referring to as having saved them.....

2seaoat



What utter idiocy. At least there is a consistency.

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And you still haven't answered .... That's idiocy

2seaoat



The FIGURES do matter.
1) Who has paid?
2) who signed up after losing their previous insurance?


I love this place. Not one person has answered my question of the national average of canceled polices prior to the ACA. Yet, they keep posting this nonsense. Now that they have been proven wrong, with people realizing that the average number of cancellations were prior to ACA, they are shifting to the payment of premiums.........again without a scrap of information from the insurance industry on the rate of non payment prior to the ACA.......this is hardly fun anymore......it just at some point gets too stupid to be fun.

Simple answer......payment rates and cancellations remain remarkable close to pre ACA averages, but I will not tell you which way they slant, you must back up your assumption, and not one of our knuckleheads have.....they have simply said there will be an earthquake in the next 30 days......such utter sheep like behavior, as the manipulators now know that thinking people are looking at cancellation rates pre ACA, they shift the criticism to payment of premiums.......like that is the measure of what?......and again how does that payment rate compare to pre ACA payments of private insurance........I guarantee you not one of our critics will find the answer.....guaranteed....they will simply change the subject as the manipulators look for more weak of mind.

Sal

Sal

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117205/obamacare-signup-surge-republicans-say-obama-cooking-books

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2seaoat Today at 3:59 pm
The FIGURES do matter.
1) Who has paid?
2) who signed up after losing their previous insurance?

I love this place. Not one person has answered my question of the national average of canceled polices prior to the ACA. Yet, they keep posting this nonsense. Now that they have been proven wrong, with people realizing that the average number of cancellations were prior to ACA, they are shifting to the payment of premiums.........again without a scrap of information from the insurance industry on the rate of non payment prior to the ACA.......this is hardly fun anymore......it just at some point gets too stupid to be fun.

Simple answer......payment rates and cancellations remain remarkable close to pre ACA averages, but I will not tell you which way they slant, you must back up your assumption, and not one of our knuckleheads have.....they have simply said there will be an earthquake in the next 30 days......such utter sheep like behavior, as the manipulators now know that thinking people are looking at cancellation rates pre ACA, they shift the criticism to payment of premiums.......like that is the measure of what?......and again how does that payment rate compare to pre ACA payments of private insurance........I guarantee you not one of our critics will find the answer.....guaranteed....they will simply change the subject as the manipulators look for more weak of mind.
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More doublespeak .... Numbers please, no sidebars trying to explain excuses

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:What utter idiocy.  At least there is a consistency.

Real Obamacare numbers just 858,000 and not the 7.1 million the COWH claims Socratestoo

dumpcare



Since at least 1996 the average time on the books for an individual under 65 policy was 18 months. Could be less or could be more under ACA.

knothead

knothead

ppaca wrote:Since at least 1996 the average time on the books for an individual under 65 policy was 18 months. Could be less or could be more under ACA.


With a margin of error of what I wonder . . . +6 months or -6 months?

2seaoat



Since at least 1996 the average time on the books for an individual under 65 policy was 18 months. Could be less or could be more under ACA.


Please no help from our resident expert.....the numbskulls have to figure this out themselves, but in your answer lies the answer.

2seaoat



Lets see.....Seaoat is guilty of slander which to be guilty of slander the statement must be false.......hmmmm. However, Mr. Markle and PK need to tell us about the cancellations of health insurance policies which happened before ACA........because they now want to know about these exorbitant cancellation of policies since the ACA......yes.....slander is speaking or writing a falsehood.......hmmmmmm. I wonder when the bright ones will figure this out.

My bet is on changing the subject.

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2seaoat wrote:Lets see.....Seaoat is guilty of slander which to be guilty of slander the statement must be false.......hmmmm.  However, Mr. Markle and PK need to tell us about the cancellations of health insurance policies which happened before ACA........because they now want to know about these exorbitant cancellation of policies since the ACA......yes.....slander is speaking or writing a falsehood.......hmmmmmm.  I wonder when the bright ones will figure this out.

My bet is on changing the subject.

Mr McDermott,
You know, we all know that the measure was NOT for sign ups? I realize the left wants to now change the definition of what the goal was, this is however the true meaning of change you can believe in.. LOL

But facts are, the numbers are not verified yet and simple clicks or sign in on a web site do not count as enrollees no matter how much you wish it did.

YOU FAIL

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