God and morality ... and the deep, deep south ..

Damaged Eagle wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:No one took anything from anyone at the point of a gun. We live in a representative democracy and (I guess you are referring to taxes?)it has all been voted on one way or another. So you can just start organizing your supporters, running your candidates and change things if it is that important to you.

It seems to me that some conservative "Christian" groups are more than happy to have the government be an arm of their beliefs via anti-abortion laws, cutting back on food stamps, etc.

So why aren't they behind the government being an extension of their views when it comes to taking care of the poor? You would think that would be a top priority given what Jesus said about giving and taking care of the less fortunate. If it works in one instance it should work in the other. But that would require consistency.  

Is it taking care of the poor or lining your and their pockets with money from the government coffers that you're worried about darlin'?

The poor can waive their rights away if they want to have someone take care of them instead of bitching how they need more. I have no problem with putting them in forty man/woman bunkrooms with loss of privileges if they need someone to wipe their nose and change their diapers for them. With you wiping their noses and changing their diapers at minimum wage.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Giggles, your avatar is well earned -- "damaged." Thanks for letting us all know how you feel about people in poverty! Darlin' LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_4ULKpkLNc

 

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

I was refuting Damaged Eagles claim that communists murdered people for their religious beliefs.

And, in fact, as far as I know, the atheists of the former Soviet Union did not murder anyone for their religious beliefs, but for political reasons.  

Besides for the purposes of this thread I was speaking of American atheists, not Soviet.  By the way, most of Russia wasn't atheist, even under Stalin.

And in modern Russia, the Russian Orthodox Religion is quite powerful.

Your assertion was that atheists do not murder people... (wholesale)... for what they believe.

Therefore it doesn't matter whether atheist Soviet Russia was murdering people for their religious or their political beliefs.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_4ULKpkLNc

 

Dreamsglore wrote:

No, the bible told me that and you can keep your God that kills little children and makes them suffer.You then have the nerve to blame it on the govt. Yes, it pisses me off you have this horrible God that can prevent all this but chooses to let people suffer. There is no goddamn Satan. If there is a God he condones and allows all this bullshit and there's no way around it.

Dot wrote:If God were to do every little thing for us and keep us in a perfect world, what point would having faith be? God gave choices( FREEDOMS) and consequences and life in of itself has trials for which we as children of God are required to overcome and prove our faith and trust in the Lord for guidance.

^^^^ this is what I was taught. I believe it. Although I came OUT of the church a long time ago, I still hold my own sincere beliefs which will never be disclosed here.

I can almost understand how most atheist are BIG GOV shills, because that is their form of deity. They want to rectify what's wrong with the world by use of powerful government mandates. Because inside they have no faith in human nature or mankind. So force is the only option for folks like this. They themselves lack the 'commitment" to serving others if their own needs are not over flowing with wealth. Sacrifice is rare amongst people of this nature. To them sacrifice means marching in the streets to obtain a gov mandate to fix a problem, not reaching in their own wallet to solve it.

Wordslinger wrote:

Giggles, your avatar is well earned -- "damaged."

Wordslinger wrote:
Thanks for letting us all know how you feel about people in poverty!  Darlin'   LOL

Wordslinger wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

I was refuting Damaged Eagles claim that communists murdered people for their religious beliefs.

And, in fact, as far as I know, the atheists of the former Soviet Union did not murder anyone for their religious beliefs, but for political reasons.  

Besides for the purposes of this thread I was speaking of American atheists, not Soviet.  By the way, most of Russia wasn't atheist, even under Stalin.

And in modern Russia, the Russian Orthodox Religion is quite powerful.

Your assertion was that atheists do not murder people... (wholesale)... for what they believe.

Therefore it doesn't matter whether atheist Soviet Russia was murdering people for their religious or their political beliefs.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_4ULKpkLNc

 

As usual, you're on too much crack.  The issue was whether atheists have a history of killing people FOR THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ...
Do try and follow the thread Giggles ...

Wordslinger wrote:
...Atheists don't murder people. Christians, Muslims, Jews and other fundamentalists do.  Jim Jones, David Koresh, the Mormons in the late 1800s, the Kurds vs. the Sunnis vs. the Shiites ... etc. etc. etc.

Atheists have no history of murdering off people for what they believe.  You can't say the same.

Wordslinger wrote:the original subject of this forum thread was whether a person who didn't have a religion could be moral.

Nobody has proved otherwise thus far.

Coming from the cloud she evidently lives on,
Dot claimed that American atheists want to kill off Christians.

I countered that unlike Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc.,  we atheists (and my statement meant American not Soviet atheists) have no history of murdering anyone for their religious beliefs, and if she thinks I want to waste a bullet in her empty head, she's truly crazier than I suspected.

Giggles responds from the land of LSD that in fact, Soviet atheists murdered lots of people for their political beliefs.  He's right.  
But not I nor any Atheist I know was part of the Soviet gang.

Dot, don't worry baby, I won't shoot you.  

Giggles, you too can relax.   LOL

knothead wrote:NOBODY listens to that nonsense . . . .

Dot wrote:

knothead wrote:NOBODY listens to that nonsense . . . .

Don't be so sure.   

The show is on.

Who here can stand up to the wonder?

Offer us vision, intrigue, sex appeal, magnetic fusion and most of all common sense?

Some of us are playing games, and some of us are just playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_diRgwPCS8

 

knothead wrote:NOBODY listens to that nonsense . . . .

Damaged Eagle wrote:

knothead wrote:NOBODY listens to that nonsense . . . .

What nonsense are you referring to?

The government sword being used in the name of charity to force people to give all because of atheism?

The government sword being used to remove all traces of God form everything the government does, but blaming it all on the religious factions when the government goes to war or things go contrary to the way the free thinking atheists desire?

The government sword destroying a sovereign nation for your blood soaked Nobel champion of peace in the of atheism?

The government sword being used to murder millions in the name of atheism for both the Soviet Union and the United States?

Surely you have more to insert into the discussion as a reasonable free thinking adult than your usual little disclaimer comments and innuendos. Tell us for instance how everything you demand the government sword to enforce is for everyone's own good.

Perhaps you can even use the government sword to silence the Eagle in the name of everyone's good. I doubt it though...

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKvvOFIHs4k

 

Wordslinger wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

knothead wrote:NOBODY listens to that nonsense . . . .

What nonsense are you referring to?

The government sword being used in the name of charity to force people to give all because of atheism?

The government sword being used to remove all traces of God form everything the government does, but blaming it all on the religious factions when the government goes to war or things go contrary to the way the free thinking atheists desire?

The government sword destroying a sovereign nation for your blood soaked Nobel champion of peace in the of atheism?

The government sword being used to murder millions in the name of atheism for both the Soviet Union and the United States?

Surely you have more to insert into the discussion as a reasonable free thinking adult than your usual little disclaimer comments and innuendos. Tell us for instance how everything you demand the government sword to enforce is for everyone's own good.

Perhaps you can even use the government sword to silence the Eagle in the name of everyone's good. I doubt it though...

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKvvOFIHs4k

 

I must have missed the place where the U.S. government said it was against all religions ... darlin' ... LOL

Wordslinger wrote:

I must have missed the place where the U.S. government said it was against all religions ... darlin' ... LOL

Wordslinger wrote:Something to consider:

Except for very few of the so-called Ten Commandments, the rest of the rules are necessary with or without a god, if a workable civilization or society is desired:

These rules are necessary for the harmonious functioning of any modern civilization:

Honour thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.


The rest of the "10" deal with God being worried about whether you'll stick with her or not.

Reality.

knothead wrote:NOBODY listens to that nonsense . . . .

Dreamsglore wrote:

knothead wrote:NOBODY listens to that nonsense . . . .

I don't. I don't even read his posts. I've told him that many times but he keeps on posting to me. I don't take LSD or hallucinogenics so I'll never be able to comprehend his posts.

Dreamsglore wrote:

knothead wrote:NOBODY listens to that nonsense . . . .

I don't. I don't even read his posts. I've told him that many times but he keeps on posting to me. I don't take LSD or hallucinogenics so I'll never be able to comprehend his posts.

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Something to consider:

Except for very few of the so-called Ten Commandments, the rest of the rules are necessary with or without a god, if a workable civilization or society is desired:

These rules are necessary for the harmonious functioning of any modern civilization:

Honour thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.


The rest of the "10" deal with God being worried about whether you'll stick with her or not.

Reality.

So now you're saying that you do want religious doctrine to intrude into governmental laws. I thought this was an atheist nation which didn't want anything to do with religion of religious morals... You really should make up your mind.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_4ULKpkLNc

  

Wordslinger wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

knothead wrote:NOBODY listens to that nonsense . . . .

I don't. I don't even read his posts. I've told him that many times but he keeps on posting to me. I don't take LSD or hallucinogenics so I'll never be able to comprehend his posts.

I agree. It occurs to me that even HE doesn't comprehend his posts!  LOL