God and morality ... and the deep, deep south ..

Dreamsglore wrote:"In an earlier piece, I wrote that the primary reason for abject child poverty in these Southern states is that more than a third of children have parents who lack secure employment, decent wages and healthcare. But thanks to religion, these poor saps vote for the party that rejects Medicaid expansion, opposes early education expansion, legislates larger cuts to education, and slashes food stamps to make room for oil and agriculture subsidies on top of tax cuts and loopholes for corporations and the wealthy. Essentially, the Republican Party has convinced tens of millions of Southerners that a vote for a public display of the Ten Commandments is more important to a Christian’s needs than a vote against cuts in education spending, food stamp reductions, the elimination of school lunches and the abolition of healthcare programs."

This is great and so true but the ignorance marches on.

Wordslinger wrote:This is for all of you who are sure one can't be moral without belief in god ..

http://www.alternet.org/belief/america-major-outlier-world-opinion-whether-you-can-be-moral-and-atheist-same-time?akid=11602.260394.CcRgt0&rd=1&src=newsletter971084&t=5

And the facts presented verify that on this issue, many of the southern states are sick puppies.

Dreamsglore wrote:"In an earlier piece, I wrote that the primary reason for abject child poverty in these Southern states is that more than a third of children have parents who lack secure employment, decent wages and healthcare. But thanks to religion, these poor saps vote for the party that rejects Medicaid expansion, opposes early education expansion, legislates larger cuts to education, and slashes food stamps to make room for oil and agriculture subsidies on top of tax cuts and loopholes for corporations and the wealthy. Essentially, the Republican Party has convinced tens of millions of Southerners that a vote for a public display of the Ten Commandments is more important to a Christian’s needs than a vote against cuts in education spending, food stamp reductions, the elimination of school lunches and the abolition of healthcare programs."

This is great and so true but the ignorance marches on.

Dot wrote:why do you people worry so much and try so hard to go out of your way to dis Christians, call God fake and then at the same time defend islamist?

Dreamsglore wrote:

Dot wrote:why do you people worry so much and try so hard to go out of your way to dis Christians, call God fake and then at the same time defend islamist?

Because you people w/ your faux religious beliefs have hurt millions of people in this country. You fixate on the percentages of a few and rape the whole country all the while lining your own pockets. You don't want govt. interfering in your lives unless it is your agenda like abortion and contraceptives. You scream religious freedom for all unless it is a religion you don't like. Yes, it is political because you have made your religion and beliefs the crux of it.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Dot wrote:why do you people worry so much and try so hard to go out of your way to dis Christians, call God fake and then at the same time defend islamist?

Because you people w/ your faux religious beliefs have hurt millions of people in this country. You fixate on the percentages of a few and rape the whole country all the while lining your own pockets. You don't want govt. interfering in your lives unless it is your agenda like abortion and contraceptives. You scream religious freedom for all unless it is a religion you don't like. Yes, it is political because you have made your religion and beliefs the crux of it.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Dot wrote:why do you people worry so much and try so hard to go out of your way to dis Christians, call God fake and then at the same time defend islamist?

Because you people w/ your faux religious beliefs have hurt millions of people in this country. You fixate on the percentages of a few and rape the whole country all the while lining your own pockets. You don't want govt. interfering in your lives unless it is your agenda like abortion and contraceptives. You scream religious freedom for all unless it is a religion you don't like. Yes, it is political because you have made your religion and beliefs the crux of it.

Dreamsglore wrote:I answered the question and you know little about Christian organizations and how much they actually help.To say they help more than the govt. is an extreme lack of knowledge on your part. BTW, I don't defend Islamics. I defend their right to be Islamic.

Dreamsglore wrote:You have cognitive problems w/ comprehension and reading. That is a given,however, there is a huge difference between having your beliefs and pushing them on other people. Christians have a right to be Christians but they don't have a right to push them on other people. This is very elementary. Do you understand this?

Wordslinger wrote:This is for all of you who are sure one can't be moral without belief in god ..

http://www.alternet.org/belief/america-major-outlier-world-opinion-whether-you-can-be-moral-and-atheist-same-time?akid=11602.260394.CcRgt0&rd=1&src=newsletter971084&t=5

And the facts presented verify that on this issue, many of the southern states are sick puppies.

othershoe1030 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:This is for all of you who are sure one can't be moral without belief in god ..

http://www.alternet.org/belief/america-major-outlier-world-opinion-whether-you-can-be-moral-and-atheist-same-time?akid=11602.260394.CcRgt0&rd=1&src=newsletter971084&t=5

And the facts presented verify that on this issue, many of the southern states are sick puppies.

To me it is totally absurd to think a person has to have a belief in some higher being in order to be a moral person. To think this it must be necessary for people to be unable to cultivate a conscience without some giant organized spiritual model. Isn't it possible to just accept parental teachings along the lines of being nice and kind, helpful and so on without a deity to instruct them?

http://www.atheistmemebase.com/2013/06/24/no-atheists-in-the-kkk/

Damaged Eagle wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:This is for all of you who are sure one can't be moral without belief in god ..

http://www.alternet.org/belief/america-major-outlier-world-opinion-whether-you-can-be-moral-and-atheist-same-time?akid=11602.260394.CcRgt0&rd=1&src=newsletter971084&t=5

And the facts presented verify that on this issue, many of the southern states are sick puppies.

To me it is totally absurd to think a person has to have a belief in some higher being in order to be a moral person. To think this it must be necessary for people to be unable to cultivate a conscience without some giant organized spiritual model. Isn't it possible to just accept parental teachings along the lines of being nice and kind, helpful and so on without a deity to instruct them?

http://www.atheistmemebase.com/2013/06/24/no-atheists-in-the-kkk/

Yet in turn the atheists worship the all powerful god of governmental control to force their morality on anyone who disagrees with them and have everyone pay the tithe at the point of a governmental sword for any special morality problem they come up with.

Tell us how your all powerful governmental god is better than a spiritual god?

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO62scTZ7Qk

 

othershoe1030 wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:This is for all of you who are sure one can't be moral without belief in god ..

http://www.alternet.org/belief/america-major-outlier-world-opinion-whether-you-can-be-moral-and-atheist-same-time?akid=11602.260394.CcRgt0&rd=1&src=newsletter971084&t=5

And the facts presented verify that on this issue, many of the southern states are sick puppies.

To me it is totally absurd to think a person has to have a belief in some higher being in order to be a moral person. To think this it must be necessary for people to be unable to cultivate a conscience without some giant organized spiritual model. Isn't it possible to just accept parental teachings along the lines of being nice and kind, helpful and so on without a deity to instruct them?

http://www.atheistmemebase.com/2013/06/24/no-atheists-in-the-kkk/

Yet in turn the atheists worship the all powerful god of governmental control to force their morality on anyone who disagrees with them and have everyone pay the tithe at the point of a governmental sword for any special morality problem they come up with.

Tell us how your all powerful governmental god is better than a spiritual god?

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO62scTZ7Qk

 

I swear posting on this forum is like shouting down a damn rabbit hole. Stop reading things that are not there! Nowhere in my last post did I even mention the word government nor worship thereof. All I said was that people are able to come up with codes of conduct on their own without having to follow the rules of some religion.  

othershoe1030 wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:This is for all of you who are sure one can't be moral without belief in god ..

http://www.alternet.org/belief/america-major-outlier-world-opinion-whether-you-can-be-moral-and-atheist-same-time?akid=11602.260394.CcRgt0&rd=1&src=newsletter971084&t=5

And the facts presented verify that on this issue, many of the southern states are sick puppies.

To me it is totally absurd to think a person has to have a belief in some higher being in order to be a moral person. To think this it must be necessary for people to be unable to cultivate a conscience without some giant organized spiritual model. Isn't it possible to just accept parental teachings along the lines of being nice and kind, helpful and so on without a deity to instruct them?

http://www.atheistmemebase.com/2013/06/24/no-atheists-in-the-kkk/

Yet in turn the atheists worship the all powerful god of governmental control to force their morality on anyone who disagrees with them and have everyone pay the tithe at the point of a governmental sword for any special morality problem they come up with.

Tell us how your all powerful governmental god is better than a spiritual god?

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO62scTZ7Qk

 

I swear posting on this forum is like shouting down a damn rabbit hole. Stop reading things that are not there! Nowhere in my last post did I even mention the word government nor worship thereof. All I said was that people are able to come up with codes of conduct on their own without having to follow the rules of some religion.  

Dot wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:You have cognitive problems w/ comprehension and reading. That is a given,however, there is a huge difference between having your beliefs and pushing them on other people. Christians have a right to be Christians but they don't have a right to push them on other people. This is very elementary. Do you understand this?

oh boo hoo, more demeaning insults from dreams.   

yet, she defends the rights of islamist and not Christians because only Christians push their beliefs off on people, and I have a comprehension problem LOL

Dreamsglore wrote:

Dot wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:You have cognitive problems w/ comprehension and reading. That is a given,however, there is a huge difference between having your beliefs and pushing them on other people. Christians have a right to be Christians but they don't have a right to push them on other people. This is very elementary. Do you understand this?

oh boo hoo, more demeaning insults from dreams.   

yet, she defends the rights of islamist and not Christians because only Christians push their beliefs off on people, and I have a comprehension problem LOL

I haven't defended any rights of Islamics, harebrain. I defend their right to believe in their religion just like you have your right. The difference is they don't have their cronies in congress pushing for Islamic law like the Christians push for their biblical beliefs.

Dot wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:This is for all of you who are sure one can't be moral without belief in god ..

http://www.alternet.org/belief/america-major-outlier-world-opinion-whether-you-can-be-moral-and-atheist-same-time?akid=11602.260394.CcRgt0&rd=1&src=newsletter971084&t=5

And the facts presented verify that on this issue, many of the southern states are sick puppies.

To me it is totally absurd to think a person has to have a belief in some higher being in order to be a moral person. To think this it must be necessary for people to be unable to cultivate a conscience without some giant organized spiritual model. Isn't it possible to just accept parental teachings along the lines of being nice and kind, helpful and so on without a deity to instruct them?

http://www.atheistmemebase.com/2013/06/24/no-atheists-in-the-kkk/

Yet in turn the atheists worship the all powerful god of governmental control to force their morality on anyone who disagrees with them and have everyone pay the tithe at the point of a governmental sword for any special morality problem they come up with.

Tell us how your all powerful governmental god is better than a spiritual god?

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO62scTZ7Qk

 

I swear posting on this forum is like shouting down a damn rabbit hole. Stop reading things that are not there! Nowhere in my last post did I even mention the word government nor worship thereof. All I said was that people are able to come up with codes of conduct on their own without having to follow the rules of some religion.  

that's kind of simplistic to say that. since man has had deity's to worship so many thousands of years, those ideals were integrated into society. Hence things your parents taught you.

However, I will give to a certain point that so what. atheist can do the right things, most of us are taught what the right things are. and we all have a conscience. < I think a conscience is God given> but whatever, we don't even have to go there. so what? atheist can be good citizens.

whats the point? Ill tell you what I think the point is. its to demoralize Christians for having faith in a creator. Now ask yourself, is that the right thing to do? To demoralize a group of people who are not harming you who have faith in something just because you don't? How moral of you to try to take away such a valuable belief from these people. Does it make y'all feel superior? How moral is that?

Dreamsglore wrote:

Dot wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:You have cognitive problems w/ comprehension and reading. That is a given,however, there is a huge difference between having your beliefs and pushing them on other people. Christians have a right to be Christians but they don't have a right to push them on other people. This is very elementary. Do you understand this?

oh boo hoo, more demeaning insults from dreams.   

yet, she defends the rights of islamist and not Christians because only Christians push their beliefs off on people, and I have a comprehension problem LOL

I haven't defended any rights of Islamics, harebrain. I defend their right to believe in their religion just like you have your right. The difference is they don't have their cronies in congress pushing for Islamic law like the Christians push for their biblical beliefs.