The American Empire is collapsing

The problem in Ukraine is that EU / USA / NATO have provoked Russia over and over again trying to hem them in under the failed 'The Grand Chessboard' strategy dreamed up by Zbigniew Brzezinski, then pushed by PNAC (Project for a New American Century).

For those younger folks on the forum, Brzezinski was National Policy Advisor to President Jimmy Carter and those two are who created Al Qaeda. Purpose was to destabilize the Muslim regions of USSR so the USA and UK could take over the oil and natural gas in Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.

We lost, even before they launched 9-11-2001 and the failed takeover of Afghanistan.

Most of the oil and natural gas in the CIS region is now under contract with Russia, India and China, especially Russia and China.

While the USA has thumped its chest on how mighty and powerful it is, pens and contracts have kicked us black and blue as one nation after another has aligned away from the USA.

The folks in DC cannot read a map, have no clue why certain Muslim nations no longer wish to have anything to do with USA and have realigned with Russia.

This map of the AOR [Area of Responsibility] for CENTCOM is ludicrous but is something the USA pushes all day every day in Russia's face.



Kazakhstan is solidly aligned with Russia, thanks to US policy towards Muslim nations and people in general. Turkmenistan is now aligned back with Russia as has Uzbekistan for the same reasons.

It gets even more preposterous to ponder this map and that the US alone thinks it has the right to police the world and dictate to all nations, including other Superpowers (and both Russia and China are in fact superpowers both financially and militarily).



Putin has warned EU to back off and stop trying to push EU and NATO to every touch point on the border of Russia.

The USA has egged this on, now possibly to the point of war or Russia will take Crimea back and keep it. I know many people in the Russian part of Ukraine and they have zero desire to be the next EU victim or be part of NATO or provoke Russia. They are Russians for the most part in Eastern part of Ukraine.

We have many scientists in Kharkov, Kiev and Odessa working for us or with us, and not one of them wants EU or USA, or NATO.

Don't rely on US media to ever tell you the truth. They only air what the DC agenda is.

Has been that way since Vietnam and about damned time Americans woke up to the reality of it.

AmericanSwiss wrote:

Kazakhstan is solidly aligned with Russia, thanks to US policy towards Muslim nations and people in general.  Turkmenistan is now aligned back with Russia as has Uzbekistan for the same reasons.  

So what you're saying is that Russia has aligned itself with the muslims, gone in via population Crimean tartars to take back this area in order to build a oil pipeline. And puppet Obama has allowed him the flexibility to do so due to obamas puppet master G Soros( on the down low of course)who wants this. And all the right wing screaming out of the white house your hearing isn't so loud, but is actually good acting because they have wealthy oil industry investment interest in this game too.

Go ahead, lay this out for all to see. I'm intrigued.

[quote="Dot"]

AmericanSwiss wrote:

So what you're saying is that Russia has aligned itself with the muslims, gone in via population Crimean tartars to take back this area in order to build a oil pipeline. And puppet Obama has allowed him the flexibility to do so due to obamas puppet master G Soros( on the down low of course)who wants this. And all the right wing screaming out of the white house your hearing isn't so loud, but is actually good acting because they have wealthy oil industry investment interest in this game too.

Go ahead, lay this out for all to see. I'm intrigued.

You consider 3rd or 4th rate theater to be good acting.

Both Russia and China have aligned with the Muslims. Initially the 'stans' wanted their freedom and autonomy but did not take them long to figure out they cannot trust the USA. The agenda is all about USA and screw them.

You can go back and find where Nicholas Brady (former US Treas Secty under Bush Sr, Amerada Hess Oil), John Sununu and a gaggle of Texas oil tycoons bet heavy since 1991 in the region. They wanted Al Qaeda and destabilizing USSR, then US rush in to get control of a huge oil and natural gas region.

The Afghan Russia War from 1980-1988 was to block Russia from the same damned pipeline Bush thought he could pull off, and his backers.

Was a 'strategery' as the imbecile GW Bush said and has backfired in our faces.

While they were busy covering up their lies in 9-11, Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere, Russia and China signed contracts and tied up most of the oil and natural gas.

Seven of the 10 people on the 9-11 Commission were and still are directly benefitting from Bush policy. I do not think the Dems have grasped yet why Obama did not change course, he merely continued Bush policies, to his and USA detriment.

Both sides of the aisle are just acting, has nothing to do with a Global War on Terror. Has everything to do with dominance in oil and gas, petrodollar and we are losing that ground fast. There are Dems and Reps involved directly in this failed oil grab and now all they can do is pretend it is all about protecting Americans, while they have crashed the US economy, added in over $6 trillion in new debt pissing it away on war, new military bases, and the overhead they already had.

The USA spends more on defense than the next 25-26 nations combined, all but 1 is an ALLY. The agenda has been peg the dollar to oil (those days are ending fast) and an economy based on military, not production of consumer goods. That need changed in 1991 when the world started moving on without the USA as the kingpin.

Russia and China trade direct in their own currency, plus China is now up to about 37 nations where they trade direct. UAE even does oil and gas with China in dinar and yuan, not USD any more.

If you check into TPP Trans Pacific Partnership, it is a futile attempt to exclude China and Ecuador (huge mineral resources went to China, not USA companies), and get the smoke back in the jar.

China could dump their US T bonds and destroy the USA in 1 week, cause a total meltdown. They have recently announced they are not taking on any more US debt, starting to get out of what they have.

Most Americans still do not realize that Osama bin Laden was never on the FBI website as being wanted for 9-11-2001. There was no evidence against him whatsoever, except what DC fabricated to cover up why they need that pipeline across Afghanistan.

What is sad is it is no longer needed. China controls the port it was to have ended at in Gwadar Baluchistan Pakistan. The Iran and Africa oil is flowing from there to China due to new pipeline across Pakistan. That is what is really wrong about Pakistan. The helped put The Grand Chessboard brain fart into 'check' and then China financed the IPI (Iran Pakistan India pipeline) and the game went to CHECKMATE.

US lost, DC does not want the Sheeple to figure that out.

AmericanSwiss wrote:

Dot wrote:

AmericanSwiss wrote:

So what you're saying is that Russia has aligned itself with the muslims, gone in via population Crimean tartars to take back this area in order to build a oil pipeline. And puppet Obama has allowed him the flexibility to do so due to obamas puppet master G Soros( on the down low of course)who wants this. And all the right wing screaming out of the white house your hearing isn't so loud, but is actually good acting because they have wealthy oil industry investment interest in this game too.

Go ahead, lay this out for all to see. I'm intrigued.

You consider 3rd or 4th rate theater to be good acting.

Both Russia and China have aligned with the Muslims.  Initially the 'stans' wanted their freedom and autonomy but did not take them long to figure out they cannot trust the USA.  The agenda is all about USA and screw them.

You can go back and find where Nicholas Brady (former US Treas Secty under Bush Sr, Amerada Hess Oil), John Sununu and a gaggle of Texas oil tycoons bet heavy since 1991 in the region.  They wanted Al Qaeda and destabilizing USSR, then US rush in to get control of a huge oil and natural gas region.  

The Afghan Russia War from 1980-1988 was to block Russia from the same damned pipeline Bush thought he could pull off, and his backers.

Was a 'strategery' as the imbecile GW Bush said and has backfired in our faces.

While they were busy covering up their lies in 9-11, Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere, Russia and China signed contracts and tied up most of the oil and natural gas.  

Seven of the 10 people on the 9-11 Commission were and still are directly benefitting from Bush policy.  I do not think the Dems have grasped yet why Obama did not change course, he merely continued Bush policies, to his and USA detriment.

Both sides of the aisle are just acting, has nothing to do with a Global War on Terror.  Has everything to do with dominance in oil and gas, petrodollar and we are losing that ground fast.  There are Dems and Reps involved directly in this failed oil grab and now all they can do is pretend it is all about protecting Americans, while they have crashed the US economy, added in over $6 trillion in new debt pissing it away on war, new military bases, and the overhead they already had.

The USA spends more on defense than the next 25-26 nations combined, all but 1 is an ALLY.  The agenda has been peg the dollar to oil (those days are ending fast) and an economy based on military, not production of consumer goods.  That need changed in 1991 when the world started moving on without the USA as the kingpin.

Russia and China trade direct in their own currency, plus China is now up to about 37 nations where they trade direct.  UAE even does oil and gas with China in dinar and yuan, not USD any more.

If you check into TPP Trans Pacific Partnership, it is a futile attempt to exclude China and Ecuador (huge mineral resources went to China, not USA companies), and get the smoke back in the jar.

China could dump their US T bonds and destroy the USA in 1 week, cause a total meltdown.  They have recently announced they are not taking on any more US debt, starting to get out of what they have.

Most Americans still do not realize that Osama bin Laden was never on the FBI website as being wanted for 9-11-2001.  There was no evidence against him whatsoever, except what DC fabricated to cover up why they need that pipeline across Afghanistan.

What is sad is it is no longer needed.  China controls the port it was to have ended at in Gwadar Baluchistan Pakistan.  The Iran and Africa oil is flowing from there to China due to new pipeline across Pakistan.  That is what is really wrong about Pakistan.  The helped put The Grand Chessboard brain fart into 'check' and then China financed the IPI (Iran Pakistan India pipeline) and the game went to CHECKMATE.

US lost, DC does not want the Sheeple to figure that out.

How much do we owe China?

How would it benefit China to destroy our economy since we are their biggest trading partner?

[quote="Dot"]

AmericanSwiss wrote:

Go ahead, lay this out for all to see. I'm intrigued.

One has to stay informed where there are global supply chains, currencies, and even what I call political brain farts that emanate out of DC, London or Brussels more than any other capitals in the world.

The unipolar world from WW II to 1991 saw the USA as the lone superpower. Those days are gone and right now Russia is the most powerful in terms of sheer cash and military punch. China now produces a 6th generation fighter jet, and the new Russian Sukhoi T-50 is considered the top fighter jet in the world. The USA has nothing that can even stay in the skies against it. India has now started to co-produce the T-50 because they chose it as their air force air superiority jet.

Case in point, Afghanistan and no victory since October 7, 2001 when shock and awe did not shock or awe the Afghans. I cannot remember the name of the British viceroy of India that commented the third time the Afghans chewed up UK and spit them out but went like this: "Trying to subjugate the Afghans is about as intelligent as going tiger hunting bare handed."

The USA did not learn the lessons of the UK in the 1900's, or that Genghis Khan completely avoided them, or that Alexander the Great met his demise there, or the Russians could not beat them.

Most Americans do not know that the Bush Admin was in negotiations with the Taliban as late as August 2001 and the Taliban would not roll over for their demands. The deal has already been signed with Bridas Corporation out of Argentina. That company is owned by two Italian expats and they are major pipeline builders to this day.

Pushing them out in Afghanistan did not slow things down at all. Major pipeline north from Iran into Russia, selling the oil that way in spite of the sanctions. Major pipeline from Turkmenistan (where they won the US Court of Appeals case in Sept 9, 2003, but 2 years to late to stop Bush and the Big Lie) across Iran and Turkey into EU. Another huge pipeline from Turkmenistan to China, thus further negating even the reason the USA wanted that pipeline and the Caspian since the Carter Administration.

Another case is Iraq, March 2003 to pull out, not a victory even close to achieving.

USA put Georgia up with Israeli and Blackwater USA mercenaries and Ukraine, against tiny South Ossetia. Those are Russians that did not want to be a part of Jewish, USA, Muslim controlled Georgia. USA and EU wanted them in EU and NATO.

They started it, Russia crushed it in 3 days. The goal was to back up Russia north of the Caucasus Mountains and away from the USA pipelines across Georgia. Russia is now permanently parked 25km from those pipelines.

What was wrong with Libya? Qaddafi had mellowed into a benevolent dictator that was moving his nation ahead rapidly, including the world's largest port just to handle inflow into EU. The problem with Libya was he was creating a gold backed dinar that would have had the effect of lessening the value of the petrodollar in the Middle East and North Africa.

What is wrong with Syria? They are in the way of a pipeline from Iraq to the Med and then into Europe.

Why is Russia parked there? They are the energy supplier and natural gas company to EU, bottom line. Gazprom is by far the largest natural gas company in the world and just from that exploration is in Top 10 in oil, too. Rosneft is now the world's largest oil producer and is major supplier to EU, China and Pac Rim. Recently completed major pipeline that terminates near Vladivostok on the Pacific side.

China has major heavy airfreight operations into Prague every day, and trains coming all the way from China across Russia into Poland. What started off as 1 train per week is now 2 unit trains per day.

Under Basel 3, Russia based Sberbank is now 20th largest in the world and climbing. Their capital is hard cash, not US stock market manipulation that is keeping BoA, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup on life support.

Two largest banks in the world are now China, and they have 3 in the top 5. Deposits are not assets, Basel 3 grades on real capital base versus risks and in that regards the UK and USA banks, even Deutsche Bank are toast.

The US, UK banks and Deutsche Bank all share a common form of cancer. They bet the USA would win their strategy, hem in Russia, and control the oil and gas coming out of the Caspian Basin.

This came out the day before 9-11-2001 and is exactly what they were after:

September 10, 2001: "Those who control the oil routes out of Central Asia will impact all future direction and quantities of flow and the distribution of revenues from new production," wrote energy expert James Dorian in Oil & Gas Journal, published the day before the terrorist attacks.

That quote was not in my video presentation 9-11-2004 in NY but there was much more than just the 9 minutes on the Internet. I spoke for 22 minutes and then answered Q&A with the audience for 43 minutes.

There were 1,248 people there, over 1,000 wanted a copy of the PowerPoint that detailed it all and who benefited.

Who did not benefit are the citizens of the United States of America. Just the insiders.

When factoring in the debt, the OPIC funds out the back door to the Rep and Dem insiders, and the pretense of "Nation Building", the real cost of a gallon of gasoline in America is at least 25 times higher than at the pump.

Most Americans cannot get that economic reality straight in their head.

Many experts are saying that both the EU and Fed are manipulating the true inflation rate and interest rates have to be higher because everything is sliding backwards. The bailouts are not working.

In that scenario as early as 2017 or 2018 the USA will not be able to even pay the interest on the debt they have racked up chasing their pipeline dreams and dreams of Empire in a multipolar world.

I have written many articles exposing the lies of 9-11 and what they were really after. Just google Karl Schwarz Bridas, cannot miss some of the key articles.

This world is not as presented on US TV. That is Sheeple Food to keep the masses grazing and thinking DC is out protecting them.

Raping them is more accurate.

To say the USA has a failure of leadership is being kind. Retarded to brain damaged is the proper characterization of what DC is really up to.

[quote="Markle"]

AmericanSwiss wrote:

Dot wrote:

AmericanSwiss wrote:

How much do we owe China?

How would it benefit China to destroy our economy since we are their biggest trading partner?

US is largest as single nation, EU is much larger and I addressed it in the previous post how China is pipelining goods into EU by heavy air and rail, and ships. Both China and Russia have announced they can lose USA and not be affected.

Since 2012 the EU economy is about $2 trillion bigger than the US GDP each year, China is now second largest economy and off-loading the cheap manufacturing to other Pac Rim nations and focusing on much higher levels of technology.

The Germany economy is overstated but in current terms their 86 million people are giving the 1.4 billion of China a run for their money as Second Largest Economy. That bubble will burst soon as their major banks are on the verge of collapse. Deutsche Bank cannot raise capital, has to downsize over 380 billion Euros just to meet Basel 3 capital ratios.

ECB is putting the top 130 banks under a stress test right now. Those that fail will be allowed to fail, no 'too big to fail' rule here.

Reportedly was $1.6 trillion but they have quietly dumped anywhere from $200 to $400 billion and have announced intentions that it is not in their best interest to stockpile US debt any more. That was about 1 month ago.

We have a closing soon on very large amount, and first is $150 million and not close to 10% of the total. I have watched since late November as the USD has dropped from 139.6 million CHF to what was yesterday 131.8 million CHF. As of yesterday $1 was only .87 CHF.

I have seen this over 100 times while in EU. Americans rushing to Western Union to get aid from home because they did not figure in the weakness of the USD against the EUR or CHF. Time to check out of hotel and catch flight home, credit card bounced.

Benefit China? It would benefit most of the economies of the world to not have to convert from their own currency into USD just to buy oil and natural gas. The petrodollar is in dying mode and that has been what kept USA propped up enjoying the easy life at the expense of the rest of the world.

If it were not for the Fed manipulating the US stock markets to keep the Sheeple thinking everything is hunky dory, the USA would not have even 1 bank in the Top 25 of this list:

http://www.relbanks.com/worlds-top-banks/market-cap

When these latest rounds of investigations started last fall on LIBOR rigging, currency exchange and gold price manipulation, and tampering with the $379 TRILLION international interest rate swap market, I closed personal and corporate accounts with JPMorgan Chase, do not bank with any US bank right now.

A hint also occurred over past 90 days, Buffett, Paulson and Soros have dumped their positions IN USA BANKS.

I have fought them in DC since 1980 and finally said enough is enough. They thought they could outsource to cheap producers, rule the world from DC with little to no job creation, and have an entirely consumer based economy.

They failed when they implemented DC greed to the point they killed the consumers. I sort of view that as machinating a plan and then the USA shot itself in the head. DOA and still have not figured out what they did wrong.

Your analysis is a welcome change to the forum. However, I find some of your underpinning to rely too much on pipeline strategy, and not enough on historical geopolitical tension where you completely discount the Pakistan/ India battle for central asia which is primary not secondary to the chinese and russians. Second, I do not know what you are using as a basis of the dollar relative to other currency crashing when in fact the last two years it has strengthened. I find your military analysis of Russia vs the United States to be borderline absurd, because it assumes the Russians have the ability to advance into other zones of influence effectively as a military force, while I would argue that both China and Russia are formidable defensive superpowers, they are not going to militarily influence south America or Africa with military force.

Otherwise extremely interesting concepts, and certainly a great deal of depth.

So it's the end of the world as WE know it and 911 was an inside job...thanks, you say a lot like seaoat does but you make a whole lot more sense.

Oh but seaoat says because Putin is short none of this will matter...

Putin's adviser on economics Sergei Glazyev said :
- Russia will abandon the dollar.
- And also Russia will create its currency system , together with China and other countries.
- And also Russia will abandon all public U.S. Treasuries.
- And also Russia will refuse to return any U.S. loans .
- And also Russia will arrest all assets of the United States and the West.
- And also Russian will stop all Russian oil and gas supplies to Europe. Oil and gas from Russia will go to China.
- And also Russia already has banned the import of meat from the United States.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Feconomy%2F20140304%2F998048715.html

Also I heard the US DOD ordered the Russian troops to go home so I imagine they are scurrying back to mother Russia as I type...fantasy-land....goodbye America we loved you once.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/russian-troops-ukraine-hit-16000-us-department-defense-orders-them-go-home

AmericanSwiss wrote:

Dot wrote:

AmericanSwiss wrote:

Go ahead, lay this out for all to see. I'm intrigued.

One has to stay informed where there are global supply chains, currencies, and even what I call political brain farts that emanate out of DC, London or Brussels more than any other capitals in the world.

The unipolar world from WW II to 1991 saw the USA as the lone superpower.  Those days are gone and right now Russia is the most powerful in terms of sheer cash and military punch.  China now produces a 6th generation fighter jet, and the new Russian Sukhoi T-50 is considered the top fighter jet in the world.  The USA has nothing that can even stay in the skies against it.  India has now started to co-produce the T-50 because they chose it as their air force air superiority jet.

Case in point, Afghanistan and no victory since October 7, 2001 when shock and awe did not shock or awe the Afghans.  I cannot remember the name of the British viceroy of India that commented the third time the Afghans chewed up UK and spit them out but went like this:  "Trying to subjugate the Afghans is about as intelligent as going tiger hunting bare handed."

The USA did not learn the lessons of the UK in the 1900's, or that Genghis Khan completely avoided them, or that Alexander the Great met his demise there, or the Russians could not beat them.

Most Americans do not know that the Bush Admin was in negotiations with the Taliban as late as August 2001 and the Taliban would not roll over for their demands.  The deal has already been signed with Bridas Corporation out of Argentina.  That company is owned by two Italian expats and they are major pipeline builders to this day.  

Pushing them out in Afghanistan did not slow things down at all. Major pipeline north from Iran into Russia, selling the oil that way in spite of the sanctions.  Major pipeline from Turkmenistan (where they won the US Court of Appeals case in Sept 9, 2003, but 2 years to late to stop Bush and the Big Lie) across Iran and Turkey into EU.  Another huge pipeline from Turkmenistan to China, thus further negating even the reason the USA wanted that pipeline and the Caspian since the Carter Administration.

Another case is Iraq, March 2003 to pull out, not a victory even close to achieving.

USA put Georgia up with Israeli and Blackwater USA mercenaries and Ukraine, against tiny South Ossetia.  Those are Russians that did not want to be a part of Jewish, USA, Muslim controlled Georgia.  USA and EU wanted them in EU and NATO.  

They started it, Russia crushed it in 3 days.  The goal was to back up Russia north of the Caucasus Mountains and away from the USA pipelines across Georgia.  Russia is now permanently parked 25km from those pipelines.

What was wrong with Libya?  Qaddafi had mellowed into a benevolent dictator that was moving his nation ahead rapidly, including the world's largest port just to handle inflow into EU.  The problem with Libya was he was creating a gold backed dinar that would have had the effect of lessening the value of the petrodollar in the Middle East and North Africa.

What is wrong with Syria?  They are in the way of a pipeline from Iraq to the Med and then into Europe.

Why is Russia parked there?  They are the energy supplier and natural gas company to EU, bottom line.  Gazprom is by far the largest natural gas company in the world and just from that exploration is in Top 10 in oil, too.  Rosneft is now the world's largest oil producer and is major supplier to EU, China and Pac Rim.  Recently completed major pipeline that terminates near Vladivostok on the Pacific side.

China has major heavy airfreight operations into Prague every day, and trains coming all the way from China across Russia into Poland.  What started off as 1 train per week is now 2 unit trains per day.

Under Basel 3, Russia based Sberbank is now 20th largest in the world and climbing.  Their capital is hard cash, not US stock market manipulation that is keeping BoA, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup on life support.

Two largest banks in the world are now China, and they have 3 in the top 5.  Deposits are not assets, Basel 3 grades on real capital base versus risks and in that regards the UK and USA banks, even Deutsche Bank are toast.

The US, UK banks and Deutsche Bank all share a common form of cancer.  They bet the USA would win their strategy, hem in Russia, and control the oil and gas coming out of the Caspian Basin.

This came out the day before 9-11-2001 and is exactly what they were after:

September 10, 2001: "Those who control the oil routes out of Central Asia will impact all future direction and quantities of flow and the distribution of revenues from new production," wrote energy expert James Dorian in Oil & Gas Journal, published the day before the terrorist attacks.

That quote was not in my video presentation 9-11-2004 in NY but there was much more than just the 9 minutes on the Internet.  I spoke for 22 minutes and then answered Q&A with the audience for 43 minutes.

There were 1,248 people there, over 1,000 wanted a copy of the PowerPoint that detailed it all and who benefited.

Who did not benefit are the citizens of the United States of America.  Just the insiders.

When factoring in the debt, the OPIC funds out the back door to the Rep and Dem insiders, and the pretense of "Nation Building", the real cost of a gallon of gasoline in America is at least 25 times higher than at the pump.

Most Americans cannot get that economic reality straight in their head.

Many experts are saying that both the EU and Fed are manipulating the true inflation rate and interest rates have to be higher because everything is sliding backwards.  The bailouts are not working.

In that scenario as early as 2017 or 2018 the USA will not be able to even pay the interest on the debt they have racked up chasing their pipeline dreams and dreams of Empire in a multipolar world.

I have written many articles exposing the lies of 9-11 and what they were really after.  Just google Karl Schwarz Bridas, cannot miss some of the key articles.

This world is not as presented on US TV.  That is Sheeple Food to keep the masses grazing and thinking DC is out protecting them.

Raping them is more accurate.

To say the USA has a failure of leadership is being kind.  Retarded to brain damaged is the proper characterization of what DC is really up to.

And Soro's connection?

AmericanSwiss wrote:
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Kazakhstan is solidly aligned with Russia, thanks to US policy towards Muslim nations and people in general. Turkmenistan is now aligned back with Russia as has Uzbekistan for the same reasons.
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Ya think? Is that why we have Black Widows blowing themselves up all over parts of Russia where Muslims are the majority?

If you didn't know.... Black widows are female suicide bombers and the Russian authorities were scared shitless of them making a mess of Sochi.

Have you ever been to any of those places Amerixan Swiss liar ?

TEOTWAWKI wrote:So it's the end of the world as WE know it and 911 was an inside job...thanks, you say a lot like seaoat does but you make a whole lot more sense.

Oh but seaoat says because Putin is short none of this will matter...

Putin's adviser on economics Sergei Glazyev said :
- Russia will abandon the dollar.
- And also Russia will create its currency system , together with China and other countries.
- And also Russia will abandon all public U.S. Treasuries.
- And also Russia will refuse to return any U.S. loans .
- And also Russia will arrest all assets of the United States and the West.
- And also Russian will stop all Russian oil and gas supplies to Europe. Oil and gas from Russia will go to China.
- And also Russia already has banned the import of meat from the United States.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Feconomy%2F20140304%2F998048715.html

Also I heard the US DOD ordered the Russian troops to go home so I imagine they are scurrying back to mother Russia as I type...fantasy-land....goodbye America we loved you once.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/russian-troops-ukraine-hit-16000-us-department-defense-orders-them-go-home

Bush and Rice ordered Russia out of South Ossetia in August 2008 when the Georgia flap happened because the USA wanted Russia hemmed in north of the Caucasus Mountains. Well, Russia is still in South Ossetia guarding Russian Citizens / Passport Holders and told the USA and EU they would budge when they saw fit, not when USA's Poodle Kindasleeza Rice barked at them.

What started Georgia was two gunships manned by Georgia Navy and Blackwater USA fired on a Russian freighter late on August 7, 2008. About 2 hours later they were both oil slicks on the Black Sea when the Russian navy proved how deadly accurate and long range their fleet defense weapons are. Literally, any ship coming through the Straits from Med to Black Sea is easy target from about 200 miles away.

By the time Georgia started the attack, a Russian armored division had come through the tunnel and that was all she wrote for hapless Georgia. The Russian air force hammered Georgia into the ground in mere hours coming out of Russia and Armenia. More on that in the next post.

I was curious as to why Bush put 4,000 Blackwater USA mercenaries into Georgia months before this flare up.

Was not only to stir things up with Russia regarding South Ossetia. They were also trying to destabilize Dagestan. I know two people from there and they kept me informed on what they were hearing from home.

http://rense.com/general82/opd.htm

Of course, Dagestan is a very convenient way to get a pipeline from Kazakhstan and the northern part of Uzbekistan into Georgia and the Black Sea. They also hoped they would get Soros' White Stream 1 done across UKRAINE.

Separate matter but shows the true strength of Russia, the NOW RUSSIAN FEDERATION.

When the EU/ECB and Germany pulled off what is called in Europe 'The Cyprus Caper' and confiscated 9.9% of deposits on 72 billion Euros of accounts, 46 billion of that money was some of the wealthiest and most powerful Russians, including PUTIN. They owe EU nothing to help their endless line of failed bailouts and bail ins.

He demanded to Merkel that she give the money back and she told him to go to Hell until he got out of the way of the White Stream 1 pipeline Soros wants and Syria and that coveted pipeline from Iraq through Syria to EU.

Well, Putin made a call and Russia yanked 380 billion Euros out of EU banks and left them breathless, broke and teetering on collapse. Seems EU had failed to account for how much in Gazprom and Rosneft money was still helping to keep things liquid in the EU.

The EU got slammed hard by UK and USA subprime mortgage fraud, to the tune of $4 trillion. Still the EU and NATO keep pissing on the feet of who has kept them from MELTDOWN MODE here.

ECB and SWIFT were tied up for 2 weeks pumping liquidity back into EU banks. Russia put one-third of that money in Moscow, one-third in London and one-third in Switzerland as a clear signal to MERKEL and EU that Russia controls its destiny, not the USA, NOT THE EU.

[quote="Dot"][quote="AmericanSwiss"]

Dot wrote:

AmericanSwiss wrote:

And Soro's connection?

Soros has been a go-to guy for the CIA and US agenda for as long as I can remember.

He teed off on Bush because Bush had the FBI hammer his offshore chop shop operations that were stealing investors blind with offshore illegal naked shorting. Canada did a big article on it "Predator or Prey" and a follow up "Blame Canada'.

I told FBI 'way to go guys, go hunting for Great White Sharks and came home with a bucket of minnows. Good job, NOT!'

American Swiss,

You're new here so you need to know how this works.
There are two camps of posters here.

One gets all it's input from fox news, rush limbo, the new republic and worldnet daily. And some of those, like pacedog, get it from GI Joe comic books.

The other faction gets all it's news from MSNBC, huffington post, the obama white house and Bernie Sanders.

They don't believe anything you say because it doesn't jive with that.

Bob wrote:American Swiss,

You're new here so you need to know how this works.
There are two camps of posters here.  

One gets all it's input from fox news,  rush limbo, the new republic and worldnet daily.  And some of those, like pacedog,  get it from GI Joe comic books.

The other faction gets all it's news from MSNBC,  huffington post,  the obama white house and Bernie Sanders.

They don't believe anything you say because it doesn't jive with that.

I sort of figured as much. Sort of like the scene in Crocodile Dundee when he arrived at the Plaza Hotel, had seen a TV once, 'I Love Lucy' reruns and that was the one he had seen.

Amazes me at times why Americans do not pay closer attention to why things are devolving there into a really bad situation. While they think DC is running a nation, they are running it into the ground chasing the unobtainable.

For a nation that talks to much about 'rule of law' but the lawlessness is rampant, or democracy when the USA stands for none of that unless they call the shots, or freedom, when Americans are now about the least free people on the planet, these Rep v Dem debates are the perfect setting for the wake.

At 62, I can remember when we could go on vacation and not lock the house, nothing missing when we got home. I was on Wall Street when people could be trusted with $1 billion, now I know no one there I would trust with $10.

That is called devolving, not evolving, just like these forums with two sides of not informed people.

I sort of figured PACEDOG as GI Joe source. Thanks for the verification.

There are some interesting conversations off this forum, not everyone is asleep or in lobotomy mode.

You were on Wall Street as a garbage man picking up the trash at best.

KarlRove wrote:You were on Wall Street as a garbage man picking up the trash at best.

Why call a man a liar that you don't even know ?...I have known a few guys that worked on wall street. One simply lived in a Motor-home and was glad to get out of the rat race...

It's conditioning... a slow but sure progressive directive to educate observation and recognition out of the electorate. Humans were very good at detecting patterns and rejecting failed models... that had to be subverted to create this illusion.

Up is down... good is bad... less is more... etc. Collectivism is domestication. We were too strong as individuals.

KarlRove wrote:You were on Wall Street as a garbage man picking up the trash at best.

Did about $50 billion in commercial real estate workouts after TEFRA crashed the S&L industry and many banks. Company had my name on the door but the mobile and 1-800 went straight to Smith Barney.

People like you are why the USA is headed into the shitter.

Hell, if Jesus Christ announced for President of the USA morons like you would come out bashing. Keyboard Kowards, nothing more, live with that.

"Keyboard Kowards".    lol

You shoulda been here in the past,  Swiss.  We had a keyboard koward here for years.  All he talked about was how he and Ross Lombo and Sean Hannity and Dick Cheney were gonna kick some ass.  
And then one day we picked up the newspaper and saw he'd been arrested for child pornography.  And now he's behind bars without a keyboard. lol
And I aint makin this up.  It's a true story.  

Bob wrote:"Keyboard Kowards".    lol

You shoulda been here in the past,  Swiss.  We had a keyboard koward here for years.  All he talked about was how he and Ross Lombo and Sean Hannity and Dick Cheney were gonna kick some ass.  
And then one day we picked up the newspaper and saw he'd been arrested for child pornography.  And now he's behind bars without a keyboard.  lol
And I aint makin this up.  It's a true story.  

Thanks for sharing that, made my day.

I used to listen to Limbaugh, O'Reilly and some others. Actually found it refreshing to be in EU and not hearing that crap all the time. I dated a beautiful Russian for over 3 years and was eye opening experience in what I learned about Russia. Most were never communist, had no hatred of Americans. Christianity never died, they just had to practice it in private and most did. Learned directly that most Russians and even Ukrainians have very high moral standards and are devout Eastern Orthodox Christians.

Was 180 degrees from what American TV and radio had to say.

Things like rape, murder, burglary, child abuse, pedophilia rarely happen here and rampant in America. Makes me wonder at times what God thinks about Chest Thumping Christians that seem to love bloodshed.

I fear no terrorist but damn that Hagee guy in San Antonio is one blood thirsty minister!!!

Oh good another guy that hates that bastard Hagee and his Zionist propaganda machine. Good on ya mate.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Oh good another guy that hates that bastard Hagee and his Zionist propaganda machine. Good on ya mate.

Thank you, I pray every day for him, to be discovered as a child sex abuser and get him off the airwaves!!!!!   

I have a friend from the Ukraine.  She's several years older than I am and doesn't speak English (needless to say I don't speak Russian), but our grandchildren play together and we (somehow) communicated, even before our daughters got to know each other and started arranging play dates for the kids.  (Her daughter speaks good English and was a doctor their home country.)  I have a lot of admiration for these people and can't imagine how hard it is for her...she's usually very upbeat, and I can see she's trying to maintain...I find her very courageous.

Recently I expressed my sorrow for the conditions in her country...and who did it leave in tears...you guessed it...me.