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Huge hit in the Poker world......the Supreme Court denies Cert

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2seaoat



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/supreme-court-deals-itself-out-poker-case-n37191

It was doubtful that the Supreme Court would take on a Political question best suited for legislators to define, but clearly I believe Poker is a game of skill, and is not a traditional game of chance, where skill levels are secondary. There is some rudimentary skill level in any table game in a casino, and I guess one could argue that a dumb asz at the blackjack table could also be a dumb asz in the poker room, but the comparison is chess to checkers.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I frankly don't give a rat's ass what any faggoty looking nerd wearing black pajamas in public has to say about this.  And I don't care if others want to address him or her as your highness or your majesty or your honor or whatever else.  He or she is still nothing but a faggoty looking little nerd wearing black pajamas in public to me.  
I will still play poker whenever I choose to.  And those faggoty looking little nerds in black pajamas can take their laws and their opinions and their verdicts and their decisions and stick all that up their faggoty little asses.

2seaoat



I will still play poker whenever I choose to

You will not be playing poker online in America legally for a buy in, and not the free poker sites which mean nothing. I think if each state was allowed the ability to sponsor online poker, and the average rake in the neighborhood of 3-4%, the revenue flow from these sites would be huge. I personally do not like online poker compared to live poker, but some existing license holders would fight expansion if the courts and legislators get this figured out.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Yeah I will still carry a gun whenever I want to...

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/supreme-court-deals-itself-out-poker-case-n37191

It was doubtful that the Supreme Court would take on a Political question best suited for legislators to define, but clearly I believe Poker is a game of skill, and is not a traditional game of chance, where skill levels are secondary.  There is some rudimentary skill level in any table game in a casino, and I guess one could argue that a dumb asz at the blackjack table could also be a dumb asz in the poker room, but the comparison is chess to checkers.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I've never had an interest in gambling unless it is on something over which I have control.

How anyone can say there is even a rudimentary skill level at a roulette wheel or craps table, I have no clue.

Just curious, why would you say the level of skill is somehow different between blackjack and poker? Seems to be six of one and half a dozen of another.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:I will still play poker whenever I choose to

You will not be playing poker online

I've never done that anyway.  I play poker to socialize with people. And no law is going to stop me. I defer to Judge Bean on that. Those laws are "for the whores to piss on".

2seaoat



Just curious, why would you say the level of skill is somehow different between blackjack and poker? Seems to be six of one and half a dozen of another.

Blackjack and the many prop bets associated with the same are a static bet which the house has a 1% advantage minimum if the player strictly follows the book. That means typically if you are betting $25 and play 200 hands, the house will win $50.00. The average player will deviate from the book and the dealer's rules are static so there is no dynamic strategy in blackjack, and just statistical certainty how your opponent the dealer must play a hand. So in
Blackjack, a lack of familiarity with those rules, or inability to count cards in single or double deck blackjack actually make the house advantage greater. Like betting a sport bookie, over the long haul you will not win in blackjack playing it perfectly, but will get streaks which give the illusion of skill.

In poker your odds are dynamic and always changing first, by position of the button, second by four critical points in the game.....pre flop, flop, turn, and river. Each of those events have a multitude of statistical advantages to a player holding his two cards. Position allows a an early player off the button to display his response to his cards. He can match the big blind, raise, or fold, and the players in the late position with the button being last can observe and gather information , and raise the bet where they have position strength based on information gathered, and knowledge they will be last to act on a flop. However, position can change where advantage is to the early player who seeing a pair, flush, or straight draw can sell his cards to the later players by a bluff, or in the event of a good hand incremental bets which raise the pot. The blinds are usually considered the worse position to bet, yet the dynamics change based on the flop where a person holding crap cards will normally fold the blinds are pot committed and those crap cards can lull a player with good cards into a large bet because nobody would keep a 4/8 unsuited, and the flop is 5/6/7.

So where is the advantage to a good poker player. First, they must be fearless, yet capable of laying down a good hand based on review of exposed cards and understanding his opponent and the position of the bet......and finally be able to calculate "outs" as the cards become exposed and know his real odds. When professional poker players are playing lesser talented individuals their real advantage is greater than the 1% edge in blackjack, and there is no set answer, but I would suspect the gap of talent is in 0-5% range, and the more hands which are played the better players is almost always going to prevail. Luck certainly has a factor in both games, but Poker relies much less on the luck factor and has far more complex analysis which Should precede a players action. I have never placed a sports bet with a bookie, and only play casino table games and prop bets for pure fun.....I will never win. In poker, I can win based on my skills playing a lesser talented player, and lose against a better player. The power of observation and finding tells are something beyond the odds, yet I find that my strongest strength as I look a player in the face. None of this happens in the prop bets and blackjack.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


I agree...there's little comparison between blackjack and poker.

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
I agree...there's little comparison between blackjack and poker.  

Seems that even rudimentary counting of cards can push the odds of blackjack in favor of the player.

Oh well.

2seaoat



Seems that even rudimentary counting of cards can push the odds of blackjack in favor of the player.

Oh well.


You are correct. That is why nobody plays single deck blackjack anymore, and if they do they will reshuffle after a hand or two, taking the counters advantage away. In 6 deck blackjack it is nearly impossible to count, but if organized like the MIT group where counters are stationed at tables placing minimum bets, and when the decks become favorable with a high percentage of face cards, the deep pockets fellow will sit down and make large bets through the balance of the deck. Actually the MIT group went to small casinos not in Vegas, and the smaller casinos were slow to pick up on the team play, but now this process is very difficult to perfect. The strategy in blackjack even with counters is basically static. Strategy in a poker game is dynamic.

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