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CBO states that Obamacare will cost the United States 2.3 million jobs by 2024 and raise deficit by 1 trillion

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Markle
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Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote:It is amazing how quickly the right wingers can turn on the idea of a person having the freedom to leave their job if they so choose without fear of going into bankruptcy because of an accident or serious illness.

Now that health care insurance is not tied to their job they can quit and start that business they always dreamed of creating. Am I the only person who has heard many people over the years admit they turned down a job doing something they really loved because it didn't include a health insurance plan?

It is just stunning how the wingers immediately assume the very very worst possible scenario re this new option for working and insurance coverage. If  Reagan had or some other Republican saint had come up with this plan the decoupling would be framed as a new FREEDOM for HARD WORKING AMERICANS but since it is now part of the ACA it is portrayed as a slippery slope to laziness.

Since we now have more people looking for work than available jobs it sounds like a good deal for everyone if those who don't really need the money could cut back on their hours or drop that second or third job and let someone else have it.

WOW...so it is governments job to decide who needs a job, how many jobs they want or how many hour they should work so as all the wealth is spread equally regardless of whether they work or not.

What's that word for that?  Sochi...no sounds like that but that's where the Winter Olympics are being held.  Something like that....

PLEASE explain to us how it HELPS the economy if one person who is earning $60,000 per year, working three jobs is WORSE then TWO people, one earning $40,000 a year and one $20,000 per year. Would you do that for us please?

Guest


Guest

Markle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:It is amazing how quickly the right wingers can turn on the idea of a person having the freedom to leave their job if they so choose without fear of going into bankruptcy because of an accident or serious illness.

Now that health care insurance is not tied to their job they can quit and start that business they always dreamed of creating. Am I the only person who has heard many people over the years admit they turned down a job doing something they really loved because it didn't include a health insurance plan?

It is just stunning how the wingers immediately assume the very very worst possible scenario re this new option for working and insurance coverage. If  Reagan had or some other Republican saint had come up with this plan the decoupling would be framed as a new FREEDOM for HARD WORKING AMERICANS but since it is now part of the ACA it is portrayed as a slippery slope to laziness.

Since we now have more people looking for work than available jobs it sounds like a good deal for everyone if those who don't really need the money could cut back on their hours or drop that second or third job and let someone else have it.

WOW...so it is governments job to decide who needs a job, how many jobs they want or how many hour they should work so as all the wealth is spread equally regardless of whether they work or not.

What's that word for that?  Sochi...no sounds like that but that's where the Winter Olympics are being held.  Something like that....

PLEASE explain to us how it HELPS the economy if one person who is earning $60,000 per year, working three jobs is WORSE then TWO people, one earning $40,000 a year and one $20,000 per year.  Would you do that for us please?

ill tell you.

less tax revenue to pay for all these freebies.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Markle: WOW...so it is governments job to decide who needs a job, how many jobs they want or how many hour they should work so as all the wealth is spread equally regardless of whether they work or not.

What's that word for that?  Sochi...no sounds like that but that's where the Winter Olympics are being held.  Something like that....

PLEASE explain to us how it HELPS the economy if one person who is earning $60,000 per year, working three jobs is WORSE then TWO people, one earning $40,000 a year and one $20,000 per year. Would you do that for us please?


Please explain to us how having the personal option of changing jobs, remember now, a personal choice AKA FREEDOM, is somehow in your mind a decision, not by the individual worker but, again, in your mind, turns into the government deciding who needs a job?

The way I look at this personal option, the freedom to take a more interesting job or to start one's own business could be a good thing because it would open up a job (the one the person is leaving) and possibly create more jobs i.e. the new business started which, could lead to even more people being hired by that new business.

As for your 60K job "example", that is something you pulled out of your hat and is not relevant to what I was talking about. Again, you completely miss the point because it appears you are so mentally entrenched in your stereotypes and knee jerk reactions to new concepts that you seem unable to assimilate them. Of course it is easier to think in large chunks such as Obama equals socialist or whatever but it is a handicap.

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Guest

othershoe1030 wrote:Markle: WOW...so it is governments job to decide who needs a job, how many jobs they want or how many hour they should work so as all the wealth is spread equally regardless of whether they work or not.

What's that word for that?  Sochi...no sounds like that but that's where the Winter Olympics are being held.  Something like that....

PLEASE explain to us how it HELPS the economy if one person who is earning $60,000 per year, working three jobs is WORSE then TWO people, one earning $40,000 a year and one $20,000 per year. Would you do that for us please?


Please explain to us how having the personal option of changing jobs, remember now, a personal choice AKA FREEDOM, is somehow in your mind a decision, not by the individual worker but, again, in your mind, turns into the government deciding who needs a job?

The way I look at this personal option, the freedom to take a more interesting job or to start one's own business could be a good thing because it would open up a job (the one the person is leaving) and possibly create more jobs i.e. the new business started which, could lead to even more people being hired by that new business.

As for your 60K job "example", that is something you pulled out of your hat and is not relevant to what I was talking about. Again, you completely miss the point because it appears you are so mentally entrenched in your stereotypes and knee jerk reactions to new concepts that you seem unable to assimilate them. Of course it is easier to think in large chunks such as Obama equals socialist or whatever but it is a handicap.

yes, the freedom to be a non tax paying citizen sitting on their ass. that's exactly what it is. falls in line perfectly with what the left promotes.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

The views of the right wing seem to totally dominate their thinking process so it is useless to argue other than hoping others who are lurking and reading will see my point, the freedom to not be tethered to a job they dislike, freedom to start their own business, freedom to join with others in a new business without the loss of health care insurance.

Freedom to succeed and grow is one very real possibility of this new element of the ACA.

I have heard many people complain that they hesitate to switch jobs or start their own business because of their fears of loosing health care coverage. Now they are free to do that.

Time will tell whether this new freedom, the personal choice will produce new jobs and new opportunities or whatever it is that you are imagining.

2seaoat



A person who works 45 years and takes early retirement at 62 is not a deadbeat, and for many this choice is now available because he does not have to wait three more years to retire. This issue to be bad would require the fruit to lay so low it is on the ground collecting worms. The part I really like is nobody is taking about the job increases from 2014 to 2016.....too funny.

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Guest

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Dot wrote:
Markle wrote:
Sal wrote:Y'all are just lying or are too stupid to read the report.


Which is it?


[rhetorical]

You've probably seen it by now but the brilliant and unparalleled Harry Reid has said they are no losing their jobs, they are FREE AGENTS.

Can they get any more desperate?


Reid: Obamacare Doesn’t Cost Jobs, It Turns Workers Into ‘Free Agents’

by
Bridget Johnson

February 4, 2014 - 1:01 pm

Read more
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/02/04/reid-obamacare-doesnt-cost-jobs-it-turns-workers-into-free-agents/

Think it's time for someone to put a net over him?

OMG I hadn't seen this. How ridiculous can they get. soon they will be re-naming the unemployment report to the 'free agent" report.. Neutral 

It's like the Obama admin not counting those in the unemployment statistics who have ran out of unemployment funds and dropped out of the job market. Asinine.

He don't count m because they are free agents now and that's what freedom is all about lol

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:A person who works 45 years and takes early retirement at 62 is not a deadbeat, and for many this choice is now available because he does not have to wait three more years to retire.  This issue to be bad would require the fruit to lay so low it is on the ground collecting worms.  The part I really like is nobody is taking about the job increases from 2014 to 2016.....too funny.

Right, sooner or later we'll reach the bottom of people who quit looking for jobs. How many fewer workers will we have by then. Also fewer tax payers.

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Guest

Creating a disincentive to work is unAmerican, but Obama isn't an American so what else would we expect?

knothead

knothead

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Creating a disincentive to work is unAmerican, but Obama isn't an American so what else would we expect?

Too funny . . . . you sir are just obsessed beyond any realm of rational thought.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

knothead wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:Creating a disincentive to work is unAmerican, but Obama isn't an American so what else would we expect?

Too funny . . . . you sir are just obsessed beyond any realm of rational thought.

His hatred for President Obama runs so deep that it causes him to utter pathetic remarks like ones he just wrote above.

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Guest

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
knothead wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:Creating a disincentive to work is unAmerican, but Obama isn't an American so what else would we expect?

Too funny . . . . you sir are just obsessed beyond any realm of rational thought.

His hatred for President Obama runs so deep that it causes him to utter pathetic remarks like ones he just wrote above.

You have no room to talk. You know the progressive agenda... and yet support it.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PkrBum wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
knothead wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:Creating a disincentive to work is unAmerican, but Obama isn't an American so what else would we expect?

Too funny . . . . you sir are just obsessed beyond any realm of rational thought.

His hatred for President Obama runs so deep that it causes him to utter pathetic remarks like ones he just wrote above.

You have no room to talk. You know the progressive agenda... and yet support it.

Another example of a perfect nonsequitur! No wonder it is so difficult to carry on a reasonably normal conversation with most of the right wing posters.

knothead

knothead

You have no room to talk. You know the progressive agenda... and yet support it


Given the choice(s) between the political ideologies you can call me a progressive as much as you please because when compared to the alternative, well need I say more . . . .

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

I was just pointing out how irrational PaceDog is. A small handful of nuts still cling to the "fact" that President Obama really is not an American citizen. Either these people are complete nuts, or the voters who gave Obama 300+ electoral votes in November, 2012 are. I think the statistics would reveal who the nuts are.

BTW, I did not vote for Obama in 2012.

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Guest

[quote="knothead"]
PACEDOG#1 wrote:Creating a disincentive to work is unAmerican, but Obama isn't an American so what else would we expect?

Too funny . . . . you sir are just obsessed beyond any realm of rational thought.[/quote

He's from Kenya even Michelle said it in a speech.

Guest


Guest

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I was just pointing out how irrational PaceDog is. A small handful of nuts still cling to the "fact" that President Obama really is not an American citizen. Either these people are complete nuts, or the voters who gave Obama 300+ electoral votes in November, 2012 are. I think the statistics would reveal who the nuts are.

BTW, I did not vote for Obama in 2012.


Well... beyond twerking pace... you still support an agenda that is govt solution. I know that doesn't include energy or green crapola... but it enables. Knot... if you can defend the progressive agenda I can only assume that you don't know it.

Guest


Guest

PkrBum wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I was just pointing out how irrational PaceDog is. A small handful of nuts still cling to the "fact" that President Obama really is not an American citizen. Either these people are complete nuts, or the voters who gave Obama 300+ electoral votes in November, 2012 are. I think the statistics would reveal who the nuts are.

BTW, I did not vote for Obama in 2012.


Well... beyond twerking pace... you still support an agenda that is govt solution. I know that doesn't include energy or green crapola... but  it enables. Knot... if you can defend the progressive agenda I can only assume that you don't know it.

When it all hits the fan, folks like Z and Knot will be urinating in their britches.

knothead

knothead

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I was just pointing out how irrational PaceDog is. A small handful of nuts still cling to the "fact" that President Obama really is not an American citizen. Either these people are complete nuts, or the voters who gave Obama 300+ electoral votes in November, 2012 are. I think the statistics would reveal who the nuts are.

BTW, I did not vote for Obama in 2012.


Well... beyond twerking pace... you still support an agenda that is govt solution. I know that doesn't include energy or green crapola... but  it enables. Knot... if you can defend the progressive agenda I can only assume that you don't know it.

When it all hits the fan, folks like Z and Knot will be urinating in their britches.

I believe in democratic elections and they are right around the corner so let us see the outcome before either of us spike the ball . . . . you know that thingy about elections have consequences! This is your opportunity to take the Senate but you have to run the table so it will be interesting.

Guest


Guest

knothead wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I was just pointing out how irrational PaceDog is. A small handful of nuts still cling to the "fact" that President Obama really is not an American citizen. Either these people are complete nuts, or the voters who gave Obama 300+ electoral votes in November, 2012 are. I think the statistics would reveal who the nuts are.

BTW, I did not vote for Obama in 2012.


Well... beyond twerking pace... you still support an agenda that is govt solution. I know that doesn't include energy or green crapola... but  it enables. Knot... if you can defend the progressive agenda I can only assume that you don't know it.

When it all hits the fan, folks like Z and Knot will be urinating in their britches.

I believe in democratic elections and they are right around the corner so let us see the outcome before either of us spike the ball . . . . you know that thingy about elections have consequences! This is your opportunity to take the Senate but you have to run the table so it will be interesting.

Not so much to me... I have no fantasy that govt will act in our best interest.

There may be that pretense... but it's simple enough to examine the results.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

I have no fantasy that govt will act in our best interest.

There may be that pretense... but it's simple enough to examine the results.


The government is less and less responsive to the wishes of the people because it is being run (as usual) by the big money corporations through their lobbyists. That we get anything useful passed anymore is a total miracle.

Ideally it is supposed to work for the benefit of the many but this Tower of Babel situation we have these days with splintered and designer "news" outlets has created a condition that doesn't support a rational discussion. As they say we are all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts. Well, throw that out 'cause facts are not what they used to be. People believe what they want to believe, like the President is from Kenya, etc. because they WANT that to be true. It is a crazy time we live in.

Guest


Guest

othershoe1030 wrote:. People believe what they want to believe, like the President is from Kenya, etc. because they WANT that to be true. It is a crazy time we live in.[/color]

Prove that he does not....

Guest


Guest

knothead wrote:You have no room to talk. You know the progressive agenda... and yet support it


Given the choice(s) between the political ideologies you can call me a progressive as much as you please because when compared to the alternative, well need I say more . . . .

whats the alternative to you? thinking for yourself?

knothead

knothead

Dot wrote:
knothead wrote:You have no room to talk. You know the progressive agenda... and yet support it


Given the choice(s) between the political ideologies you can call me a progressive as much as you please because when compared to the alternative, well need I say more . . . .

whats the alternative to you? thinking for yourself?

Have you lost your mind . . . me thinking for myself, OMG I listen and do whatever the higher powers pass down . . . . . really?

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:. People believe what they want to believe, like the President is from Kenya, etc. because they WANT that to be true. It is a crazy time we live in.[/color]

Prove that he does not....

Prove that he does not what?
I hear you can't prove a negative anyway.

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