Question for our libertarian-minded posters

boards of FL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Some folks want a Mercedes and can't afford it and some want a liver transplant and can't afford it. Some folks could have afforded a Mercedes if they didn't go drinking every weekend. Some folks wouldn't need a liver transplant if they hadn't gone drinking every weekend. Why are the rest of us responsible for your bad choices ? When does personal responsibility relieve society of the burden of your foolish choices?

I don't expect you to pay for my liver transplant anymore than you expect me to pay for  the gallon-jugs of sweet tea that you use for target practice.

Now if you'll excuse me, it's happy hour, and the bar tender just brought me a tall rum and coke.

Chrissy wrote:
rum and coke is what im having now too8) 

Chrissy wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

stormwatch89 wrote:exactly as they are treated now, without govt being another layer.

But it is only due to federal law that people are required to be seen in an ER.

In "Libertopia", there is no government to dictate to hospitals whether or not they can turn away people in the ER, so therein lies the question:  How would the scenario I described play out in Libertarian World?

Hospitals GIVE AWAY free care all the time. They have been and not at the direction of the Gov. They were doing it before odumbercare.

and they will be doing it after odumbercare.

and I dont think libertarians want absolutly ZERO Gov. You are exagerating  the idea. To want ZERO Gov would be to want anarchy and NO Constitution, buecause certainly the constitution promotes SOME Gov.

No, they don't.  They either charge Medicaid or Medicare and/or spread the cost among their patients with insurance.  (Exception:  some hospitals have foundations which accept contributions from 3rd parties to fund procedures for those who are in great need of them but have no coverage.)  

YES they do.

Ive personally been involved with services being given away, free mammograms, free clinics, and multi million dollar write offs. Matter of a fact, they plan every year for a expected amount of write offs.

Your ideal that they don't is like saying, they gave away a free car, but no thy really didn't, they made up for it by charging the ones who pay more. and you have a problem with charging the ones who pay more since when? Because its not medicare and certainly not Medicaid that's getting ripped off, its ALWAYS been people with private insurance that made up the difference. ALWAYS. ie: vicious cycle. don't make me go there again.

fact is, you only think its a free give away when the gov steals from the working and gives to those not.

Sal wrote:

Chrissy wrote:
rum and coke is what im having now too8) 

uh oh ...

Dreamsglore wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

stormwatch89 wrote:exactly as they are treated now, without govt being another layer.

But it is only due to federal law that people are required to be seen in an ER.

In "Libertopia", there is no government to dictate to hospitals whether or not they can turn away people in the ER, so therein lies the question:  How would the scenario I described play out in Libertarian World?

Hospitals GIVE AWAY free care all the time. They have been and not at the direction of the Gov. They were doing it before odumbercare.

and they will be doing it after odumbercare.

and I dont think libertarians want absolutly ZERO Gov. You are exagerating  the idea. To want ZERO Gov would be to want anarchy and NO Constitution, buecause certainly the constitution promotes SOME Gov.

No, they don't.  They either charge Medicaid or Medicare and/or spread the cost among their patients with insurance.  (Exception:  some hospitals have foundations which accept contributions from 3rd parties to fund procedures for those who are in great need of them but have no coverage.)  

YES they do.

Ive personally been involved with services being given away, free mammograms, free clinics, and multi million dollar write offs. Matter of a fact, they plan every year for a expected amount of write offs.

Your ideal that they don't is like saying, they gave away a free car, but no thy really didn't, they made up for it by charging the ones who pay more. and you have a problem with charging the ones who pay more since when? Because its not medicare and certainly not Medicaid that's getting ripped off, its ALWAYS been people with private insurance that made up the difference. ALWAYS. ie: vicious cycle. don't make me go there again.

fact is, you only think its a free give away when the gov steals from the working and gives to those not.

So what is that you all really want? No money- no care? Obamacare is set up so everybody who can... pays something. The people who won't pay now have to and you don't like that. So WTF is it you all want?

Dreamsglore wrote:Talk about clueless? There was nothing wrong w/ our system before? Well tell that to all the untreated people who come into my office everyday w/ ace bandages around a broken wrist. Try to get a prescription filled when you have no insurance or need test strips for your diabetes.

stormwatch89 wrote:exactly as they are treated now, without govt being another layer.

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:What's going to be different when someone choses not to purchase obamacare and gets hurt?

In the scenario that I gave, the patient would be accepted in the ER.

PkrBum wrote:Hell... what's going to happen if they haven't paid their enormous deductible hasn't been met?

In the scenario that I gave, the patient would be accepted in the ER.

PkrBum wrote:Boards doesn't answer our questions... why answer his?

I just answered.  Your turn.  Let's make this more interesting.  Let's say the patient is a minor being raised by a family living below the poverty line...er....well...I suppose in "Libertopia", there would be no such thing as a poverty line.  Let's just say this minor comes form a poor family that doesn't have health insurance or any means to pay.  This minor has a severed limb.

How is this handled in "Libertopia"?  Does this kid die on the spot?

Chrissy wrote: I cant speak for every body but I believe in charity. and I think individuals do a better job at administering charity. The more the gov gets involved the higher everything is, its just a fact.

you are never going to regulate absolute equality. never. its a utopian idealogy. sure sounds good but it cant and will never happen. sorry.

There was nothing wrong with our system before. now you all have fucked it up. and as time goes on, the nation will go further in debt and services will be rationed to save on cost. You cant have it both ways, you can not cut revenue while allowing operational cost to go up and to regulate operational cost is a totalitarian society.

however, it doesn't matter now because it has been shoved down our throats.

some places will get BIG, lots of small places will go away

That's just the way it is when you deal with mass production of anything on the cheap ok..

have a good night... I am:P 

Chrissy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Talk about clueless? There was nothing wrong w/ our system before? Well tell that to all the untreated people who come into my office everyday w/ ace bandages around a broken wrist. Try to get a prescription filled when you have no insurance or need test strips for your diabetes.

Im sorry you expect to live in a perfect world and you think the Gov can provide you with that lol

you are aware that in other countries where the gov runs the health system its not all flowers, right?

dream nic suits you lol

Dreamsglore wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Talk about clueless? There was nothing wrong w/ our system before? Well tell that to all the untreated people who come into my office everyday w/ ace bandages around a broken wrist. Try to get a prescription filled when you have no insurance or need test strips for your diabetes.

Im sorry you expect to live in a perfect world and you think the Gov can provide you with that lol

you are aware that in other countries where the gov runs the health system its not all flowers, right?

dream nic suits you lol

That's a really dumb answer to a serious problem.