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Markle, are you still buying into that goofy hannity/limbaugh talk radio theory about Hussein COWH?

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

They bloviated about it for hundreds of hours.  And then you soaked it all up and spewed it out here.  The one about how Hussein COWH was really just this protege of Bill Ayres and Rev Wright.

I tried to tell you that Hussein was just a chicago politician who used people like that to climb the political ladder.  People like Hussein don't really have any strong convictions,  markle.  They're not socialists and anarchists who actually do have all those convictions.
They're career politicians whose main motive is just to get power and attention and glory for themselves.  Not much different from the hannitys and limbos and the rest of those glorified career disk jockeys.
It's not some conspiraloon conspiracy theory to "destroy America".  It's just another tale of a hack politician like all the rest.

Guest


Guest

Bob wrote:They bloviated about it for hundreds of hours.  And then you soaked it all up and spewed it out here.  The one about how Hussein COWH was really just this protege of Bill Ayres and Rev Wright.

I tried to tell you that Hussein was just a chicago politician who used people like that to climb the political ladder.  People like Hussein don't really have any strong convictions,  markle.  They're not socialists and anarchists who actually do have all those convictions.
They're career politicians whose main motive is just to get power and attention and glory for themselves.  Not much different from the hannitys and limbos and the rest of those glorified career disk jockeys.
It's not some conspiraloon conspiracy theory to "destroy America".  It's just another tale of a hack politician like all the rest.
     Of course they (he) is a socialist...look at how he's goverened for over four years...healthcare...disabilities have skyrocketed....food stamps at an all time high...all designed to make the governement as the primary nanny...The cowh spoke about redistribution of wealth and now has used the government to punish/deal with his political enemies....yes agree that he's a Chicago thug politician through and through but his actions/inactions indicate that he's wanting government involved in all levels of citizens' lives...We have the option of not listening or turning off Hannity and/or Limbaugh but too bad that's not available for the cowh....

Sal

Sal

newswatcher wrote:
     Of course they (he) is a socialist...

Someone needs to tell Wall Street.

They missed that memo.

Sheesh, ... what a nimrod.


Rolling Eyes

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

newswatcher wrote:
Bob wrote:They bloviated about it for hundreds of hours.  And then you soaked it all up and spewed it out here.  The one about how Hussein COWH was really just this protege of Bill Ayres and Rev Wright.

I tried to tell you that Hussein was just a chicago politician who used people like that to climb the political ladder.  People like Hussein don't really have any strong convictions,  markle.  They're not socialists and anarchists who actually do have all those convictions.
They're career politicians whose main motive is just to get power and attention and glory for themselves.  Not much different from the hannitys and limbos and the rest of those glorified career disk jockeys.
It's not some conspiraloon conspiracy theory to "destroy America".  It's just another tale of a hack politician like all the rest.
     Of course they (he) is a socialist...look at how he's goverened for over four years...healthcare...disabilities have skyrocketed....food stamps at an all time high...all designed to make the governement as the primary nanny...The cowh spoke about redistribution of wealth and now has used the government to punish/deal with his political enemies....yes agree that he's a Chicago thug politician through and through but his actions/inactions indicate that he's wanting government involved in all levels of citizens' lives...We have the option of not listening or turning off Hannity and/or Limbaugh but too bad that's not available for the cowh....

You're a smart guy,  newswatcher,  but you're misreading all this.  An actual socialist doesn't enact an obamacare which guarantees that everybody will buy a product from the worst element of private capitalism (the fucking insurance industry).  That aint how socialism works.
When he's handing out all those entitlements,  it aint because he believes in socialism or any other ism.   It's simply because that buys him votes.  He knows exactly what his constituent base is.  And he panders to it.  

And what passes for the "news media" with fox news and talk radio has done nothing but distract it's audience with all this obsession over ideologies and shit when in reality what we've got here is just a pure example of a political whore.

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Bob wrote:
newswatcher wrote:
Bob wrote:They bloviated about it for hundreds of hours.  And then you soaked it all up and spewed it out here.  The one about how Hussein COWH was really just this protege of Bill Ayres and Rev Wright.

I tried to tell you that Hussein was just a chicago politician who used people like that to climb the political ladder.  People like Hussein don't really have any strong convictions,  markle.  They're not socialists and anarchists who actually do have all those convictions.
They're career politicians whose main motive is just to get power and attention and glory for themselves.  Not much different from the hannitys and limbos and the rest of those glorified career disk jockeys.
It's not some conspiraloon conspiracy theory to "destroy America".  It's just another tale of a hack politician like all the rest.
     Of course they (he) is a socialist...look at how he's goverened for over four years...healthcare...disabilities have skyrocketed....food stamps at an all time high...all designed to make the governement as the primary nanny...The cowh spoke about redistribution of wealth and now has used the government to punish/deal with his political enemies....yes agree that he's a Chicago thug politician through and through but his actions/inactions indicate that he's wanting government involved in all levels of citizens' lives...We have the option of not listening or turning off Hannity and/or Limbaugh but too bad that's not available for the cowh....

You're a smart guy,  newswatcher,  but you're misreading all this.  An actual socialist doesn't enact an obamacare which guarantees that everybody will buy a product from the worst element of private capitalism (the fucking insurance industry).  That aint how socialism works.
When he's handing out all those entitlements,  it aint because he believes in socialism or any other ism.   It's simply because that buys him votes.  He knows exactly what his constituent base is.  And he panders to it.  

And what passes for the "news media" with fox news and talk radio has done nothing but distract it's audience with all this obsession over ideologies and shit when in reality what we've got here is just a pure example of a political whore.
      It's all about government controlling....He has gone on world tours apologizing for the successes of this nation....He said...you didn't build that business..government did...FOX News didn't create this monster...the mainstream media ignored and panted over this guy from the beginning...why?...No doubt he's an opportunist but his agenda certainly is that of class warfare and punishing those that have succeeded...This cowh came into office with a SURPLUS of political capital and look at what he's wasted it on....issues to strengthen the Federal Government and increase influence into and over daily lives...

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:
Someone needs to tell Wall Street.

They missed that memo.


exactly

Sal

Sal

newswatcher wrote:He said...you didn't build that business..government did...

No.


He ...


did ..


not, ...


... you fucking moronic POS.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

newswatcher wrote:FOX News didn't create this monster

That's true. They created a myth.
Not much different than those conspiracy types create their myths.
Myths create a good story which gets a lot of attention for their creators. But it doesn't enlighten any of us.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:


... you fucking moronic POS.

newswatcher is not "moronic" and neither are you.  You're both very smart people and if him or you are the morons then god help us because what does that say about the really ignorant and the really brainwashed.


This comment in your post just reveals how they've been able to manipulate all of us. The politicians and the media have managed to divide us into two phony contrived enemy camps who spend their time cussing and blaming each other.
That's how they control us.

Guest


Guest

Bob wrote:
Sal wrote:


... you fucking moronic POS.

newswatcher is not "moronic" and neither are you.  You're both very smart people and if him or you are the morons then god help us because what does that say about the really ignorant and the really brainwashed.


This comment in your post just reveals how they've been able to manipulate all of us. The politicians and the media have managed to divide us into two phony contrived enemy camps who spend their time cussing and blaming each other.
That's how they control us.
   When 'sal' is unable to defend or discuss like an adult he turns into what he calls others...Healthcare is the classic example...governement run and adding more IRS personnel to enforce...The same IRS that is out of control and that agency should be done away with all together and certainly no given MORE power/control...The first story was two agents in Cincinnati..anyone still buying that?...This scandal phony or not has drawn deep criticism from both sides...now the larger part--will anything be done?...

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:
newswatcher is not "moronic"

Obama did not say that people didn't build their businesses.

He said that they did not build the highways and bridges that bring customers to their businesses.

So, Hambone is either a moronic POS that can't understand the distinction, or an irredeemable POS liar.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.



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Sal wrote:
Bob wrote:
newswatcher is not "moronic"

Obama did not say that people didn't build their businesses.

He said that they did not build the highways and bridges that bring customers to their businesses.

So, Hambone is either a moronic POS that can't understand the distinction, or a irredeemable POS liar.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.
    As posted earlier.....'sal' being.....'sal'....understand fully that there is and will always be differences on the role(s) of government and these disagreements don't mean that someone is a 'pos' or 'moronic'...Government has a role and that role has grown to out of control proportions...entitlements....food stamps...disabilities all through the roof...out of control spending by BOTH parties over the years...It is a sad reflection when seeing at project housing that there are now generations of citizens that know nothing more than the government providing all their needs...Two examples of this in the schools...student had her phone lost or stolen...first response can't the government give me another one?...second young man that had knocked up his girlfriend when asked what his plans were...government assistance will take care of it...For the record both were white not that it makes a difference but the larger problem is there is no self responsibility and accountability for self inflicted problems...Americans have and will always help those in need a rightly so but it's getting that those that work are the suckers....

Sal

Sal

newswatcher wrote:
    As posted earlier.....'sal' being.....'sal'....understand fully that there is and will always be differences on the role(s) of government and these disagreements don't mean that someone is a 'pos' or 'moronic'...Government has a role and that role has grown to out of control proportions...entitlements....food stamps...disabilities all through the roof...out of control spending by BOTH parties over the years...It is a sad reflection when seeing at project housing that there are now generations of citizens that know nothing more than the government providing all their needs...Two examples of this in the schools...student had her phone lost or stolen...first response can't the government give me another one?...second young man that had knocked up his girlfriend when asked what his plans were...government assistance will take care of it...For the record both were white not that it makes a difference but the larger problem is there is no self responsibility and accountability for self inflicted problems...Americans have and will always help those in need a rightly so but it's getting that those that work are the suckers....

Just STFU already, asshat.

What you claimed Obama said is demonstrably false.

You did the same thing last week with your Al Gore internet bilge.

When you have to rely on lies to make your point, you don't have a valid one.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:
Bob wrote:
newswatcher is not "moronic"

Obama did not say that people didn't build their businesses.

He said that they did not build the highways and bridges that bring customers to their businesses.

So, Hambone is either a moronic POS that can't understand the distinction, or a irredeemable POS liar.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Let's all right now try to find the exact quote and the exact context of what obama said.  
Because wouldn't that be more productive than calling people "moronic piece of shit" and "irredeemable piece of shit liar"?
It would for me.  Enqueering minds wanna know.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Hell finding that was easier than I thought.

http://factcheck.org/2012/07/you-didnt-build-that-uncut-and-unedited/.

So now I gotta read and absorb what the fuck it's saying.


Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:
Sal wrote:
Bob wrote:
newswatcher is not "moronic"

Obama did not say that people didn't build their businesses.

He said that they did not build the highways and bridges that bring customers to their businesses.

So, Hambone is either a moronic POS that can't understand the distinction, or a irredeemable POS liar.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Let's all right now try to find the exact quote and the exact context of what obama said.  
Because wouldn't that be more productive than calling people "moronic piece of shit" and "irredeemable piece of shit liar"?
It would for me.  Enqueering minds wanna know.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

Sal

Sal

Wanna rehash the "Al Gore said he invented the internet" myth now?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

My verdict:

Both Obama's comments (and I mean taken in the full context),  AND the republican response to it,
are just more rhetorical political drivel.  Useless blather all of it.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:Wanna rehash the "Al Gore said he invented the internet" myth now?

Absolutely let's rehash it. But I don't expect to find anything but more useless partisan blather. Both on the part of Gore and on the part of his detractors.
Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised and discover it's more than that. But I doubt it.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

wiki...


Vice President and Information Superhighway


As Vice President, Gore promoted the development of what he referred to as the Information Superhighway. This was discussed in detail a few days after winning the election in November 1992 in The New York Times article "Clinton to Promote High Technology, With Gore in Charge."[16] They planned to finance research "that will flood the economy with innovative goods and services, lifting the general level of prosperity and strengthening American industry."[16] Specifically, they were aiming to fund the development of "robotics, smart roads, biotechnology, machine tools, magnetic-levitation trains, fiber-optic communications, and national computer networks. Also earmarked are a raft of basic technologies like digital imaging and data storage."[16] These initiatives were met with some skepticism from critics who claimed that "the initiative is likely to backfire, bloating Congressional pork, and creating whole new categories of Federal waste."[16] These initiatives were outlined in the report Technology for America's Economic Growth.[17] In September 1993, they released a report calling for the creation of a "nationwide information superhighway," which would primarily be built by private industry.[18] Gary Stix commented on these initiatives a few months prior in his May 1993 article for Scientific American, "Gigabit Gestalt: Clinton and Gore embrace an activist technology policy." Stix described them as a "distinct statement about where the new administration stands on the matter of technology [...] Gone is the ambivalence or outright hostility toward government involvement in little beyond basic science. Although Gore is most famous for his political career and environmental work, he is also noted for his creation of the internet."[19] Campbell-Kelly and Aspray further note in Computer: A History of the Information Machine:

In the early 1990s the Internet was big news.... In the fall of 1990, there were just 313,000 computers on the Internet; by 1996, there were close to 10 million. The networking idea became politicized during the 1992 Clinton-Gore election campaign, where the rhetoric of the information highway captured the public imagination. On taking office in 1993, the new administration set in place a range of government initiatives for a National Information Infrastructure aimed at ensuring that all American citizens ultimately gain access to the new networks.[20]

These initiatives were discussed in a number of venues. Howard Rheingold argued in the 1994 afterword to his noted text, The Virtual Community: Homesteading on the Electronic Frontier, that these initiatives played a critical role in the development of digital technology, stating that, "Two powerful forces drove the rapid emergence of the superhighway notion in 1994 [...]. The second driving force behind the superhighway idea continued to be Vice-President Gore."[21] In addition, Clinton and Gore submitted the report, Science in the National Interest in 1994,[22] which further outlined their plans to develop science and technology in the United States. Gore also discussed these plans in speeches that he made at The Superhighway Summit[23] at UCLA and for the International Telecommunications Union.[24]

On January 13, 1994 Gore "became the first U.S. vice president to hold a live interactive news conference on an international computer network".[25] Gore was also asked to write the foreword to the 1993 internet guide, The Internet Companion: A Beginner’s Guide to Global Networking (1st edition) by Tracy LaQuey. In the foreword, he stated the following:

Since I first became interested in high-speed networking almost seventeen years ago, there have been many major advances both in the technology and in public awareness. Articles on high-speed networks are commonplace in major newspapers and in news magazines. In contrast, when as a House member in the early 1980s, I called for creation of a national network of "information superhighways," the only people interested were the manufacturers of optical fiber. Back then, of course, high-speed meant 56,000 bits per second. Today we are building a national information infrastructure that will carry billions of bits of data per second, serve thousands of users simultaneously, and transmit not only electronic mail and data files but voice and video as well.[26]

The Clinton-Gore administration launched the first official White House website on 21 October 1994.[27][28] It would be followed by three more versions, resulting in the final edition launched in 2000.[28][29] The White House website was part of a general movement by this administration towards web-based communication: "Clinton and Gore were responsible for pressing almost all federal agencies, the U.S. court system, and the U.S. military onto the Internet, thus opening up America's government to more of America's citizens than ever before. On 17 July 1996. President Clinton issued Executive Order 13011 - Federal Information Technology, ordering the heads of all federal agencies to fully utilize information technology to make the information of the agency easily accessible to the public."[30]

The Clipper Chip, which "Clinton inherited from a multi-year National Security Agency effort,"[31] was a method of hardware encryption with a government backdoor. In 1994, Vice President Gore issued a memo on the topic of encryption, which stated that under a new policy the White House would "provide better encryption to individuals and businesses while ensuring that the needs of law enforcement and national security are met. Encryption is a law and order issue, since it can be used by criminals to thwart wiretaps and avoid detection and prosecution."[32]

Another initiative proposed a software-based key escrow system, in which keys to all encrypted data and communications would reside with a trusted third party. Since the government was seen as possibly having a need to access encrypted data originating in other countries, the pressure to establish such a system was worldwide.[33]

These policies met with strong opposition from civil liberty groups[21] such as the American Civil Liberties Union and the Electronic Privacy Information Center, scientific groups such as the National Research Council,[34] leading cryptographers,[35] and the European Commission.[36] All three encryption initiatives thus failed to gain widespread acceptance by consumers or support from the industry.[37] The ability of a proposal such as the Clipper Chip to meet the stated goals, especially that of enabling better encryption to individuals, was disputed by a number of experts.[38]

With this resistance and lack of industry support, the Clipper Chip and key escrow initiatives were abandoned by 1996.[39]
President Bill Clinton installing computer cables with Vice President Al Gore on NetDay at Ygnacio Valley High School in Concord, CA. March 9, 1996.

Gore had discussed his concerns with computer technology and levels of access in his 1994 article, "No More Information Have and Have Nots." He was particularly interested in implementing measures, which would grant all children access to the Internet, stating:

We've got to get it right. We must make sure that all children have access. We have to make sure that the children of Anacostia have that access, not just Bethesda; Watts, not just Brentwood; Chicago's West Side, not just Evanston. That's not the case now. Twenty-two percent of white primary-school students have computers in their homes; less than 7% of African-American children do. We can't create a nation of information haves and have-nots. The on-ramps to the information superhighway must be accessible to all, and that will only happen if the telecommunications industry is accessible to all.[40]

Gore had a chance to fulfill this promise when he and President Clinton participated in John Gage's NetDay'96 on March 9, 1996. Clinton and Gore spent the day at Ygnacio Valley High School, as part of the drive to connect California public schools to the Internet.[41] In a speech given at YVH, Clinton stated that he was excited to see that his challenge the previous September to "Californians to connect at least 20 percent of your schools to the Information Superhighway by the end of this school year" was met. Clinton also described this event as part of a time of "absolutely astonishing transformation; a moment of great possibility. All of you know that the information and technology explosion will offer to you and to the young people of the future more opportunities and challenges than any generation of Americans has ever seen."[42] In a prepared statement, Gore added that NetDay was part of one of the major goals of the Clinton administration, which was "to give every child in America access to high quality educational technology by the dawn of the new century." Gore also stated that the administration planned "to connect every classroom to the Internet by the year 2000."[43] On April 28, 1998, Gore honored numerous volunteers who had been involved with NetDay and "who helped connect students to the Internet in 700 of the poorest schools in the country" via "an interactive online session with children across the country."[44]

He also reinforced the impact of the Internet on the environment, education, and increased communication between people through his involvement with "the largest one-day online event" for that time, 24 Hours in Cyberspace. The event took place on 8 February 1996, and Second Lady Tipper Gore also participated, acting as one of the event's 150 photographers.[45] Gore contributed the introductory essay to the Earthwatch section of the website,[46] arguing that:

The Internet and other new information technologies cannot turn back the ecological clock, of course. But they can help environmental scientists push back the frontiers of knowledge and help ordinary citizens grasp the urgency of preserving our natural world [...] But more than delivering information to scientists, equipping citizens with new tools to improve their world, and making offices cheaper and more efficient, Cyberspace is achieving something even more enduring and profound: It's changing the very way we think. It is extending our reach, and that is transforming our grasp.[47]

Gore was involved in a number of other projects related to digital technology. He expressed his concerns for online privacy through his 1998 "Electronic Bill of Rights" speech in which he stated: "We need an electronic bill of rights for this electronic age [...] You should have the right to choose whether your personal information is disclosed."[48] He also began promoting a NASA satellite that would provide a constant view of Earth, marking the first time such an image would have been made since The Blue Marble photo from the 1972 Apollo 17 mission. The "Triana" satellite would have been permanently mounted in the L1 Lagrangian Point, 1.5 million km away.[49] Gore also became associated with Digital Earth.[50]

Sal

Sal

“During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”  - Al Gore



"Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the
Internet and to promote and support its development.

No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
people in government and the university community.  But as the two people
who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the
Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President.  No other elected official, to
our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of
time." - Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:My verdict:

Both Obama's comments (and I mean taken in the full context),  AND the republican response to it,
are just more rhetorical political drivel.  Useless blather all of it.

So, your verdict on a blatant and demonstrable mischaracterization is both sides do it?

Who coulda seen that coming?

lol

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Yea in the case of Gore and the internet,  there does appear to be more to it than that hannitization and limbaughtomy which says "Gore claims he invented the internet,  what an a-hole".

So this time I WAS pleasantly surprised.  
But of course that's only because I'm a socialist muslim progressive liberal democrat who will believe anything the state-run lamestream media feeds me.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:
Bob wrote:My verdict:

Both Obama's comments (and I mean taken in the full context),  AND the republican response to it,
are just more rhetorical political drivel.  Useless blather all of it.

So, your verdict on a blatant and demonstrable mischaracterization is both sides do it?

Who coulda seen that coming?

lol

Well it may be predictable but that don't take the truth out of it.
The Gore thing is different. Gore actually did more than run his mouth about the internet.
He accomplished things to help make it happen.

But the "you didn't build your business by yourself" thing, while the context does make it a lot less sinister and "socialist", is as I said just political rhetoric which is not based on any actual experience or accomplishment of any kind. And neither is the hannity limbo blather which responded to it.

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Bob wrote:Hell finding that was easier than I thought.  

http://factcheck.org/2012/07/you-didnt-build-that-uncut-and-unedited/.

So now I gotta read and absorb what the fuck it's saying.


     He said this in two sentences but there were excuses made immediately for what he said...so 'sal' guess you need to look in the mirror before calling names...This is based on factcheck article...But really....Al Gore really didn't invent the internet according to the now cowh...But then sal probably already knew this...

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