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1Nationalized Energy Empty Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 8:41 pm

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Do you think that the govt should take over energy completely... oil, natural gas, coal... drilling, mining, refining... the works?

2Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 8:55 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

PkrBum wrote:Do you think that the govt should take over energy completely... oil, natural gas, coal... drilling, mining, refining... the works?

They will never do that. Mineral rights are owned, bought, and sold as private property in this country. It would be like the government nationalizing your house or farm.

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3Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:02 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

What made you concoct this poll, BTW?

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4Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:10 pm

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Just a convo w bob... I've been reading a wave of this sentiment and wanted to see who was for the idea.

But I won't be surprised if no one is for it now... but most are after a long pr agenda and a crisis or two.

Control is effective ownership anyway... just look at the coal industry.

5Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:21 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


The key word here is REGULATION...always has been.

6Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:24 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Do another poll and ask them if they want the government to even keep investing in alternative energy, let alone own and control it. You'll probably get the same result. Solyndra saw to that.

7Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:27 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

PkrBum wrote: I've been reading a wave of this sentiment
Can you link us to some of that "wave" of sentiment?

8Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:30 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

PkrBum wrote:Just a convo w bob... I've been reading a wave of this sentiment and wanted to see who was for the idea.

But I won't be surprised if no one is for it now... but most are after a long pr agenda and a crisis or two.

Control is effective ownership anyway... just look at the coal industry.

But even with the coal industry, they must lease mineral rights from the owners of the coal, and pay them royalties for the privelege of mining it. FT is correct, the gist of the story is regulation. I don't think anyone wants the oil or coal industry to be unregulated. That is a big diffrerence from outright nationalization. If we lived in Nigeria, it would be a different story.

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9Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:31 pm

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Do you think that the govt should take over energy completely... oil, natural gas, coal... drilling, mining, refining... the works?

They will never do that. Mineral rights are owned, bought, and sold as private property in this country. It would be like the government nationalizing your house or farm.

Never say never. Ever heard of eminent domain, if enough support was generated, enough people were wanting it then it could happen. Would be easy for the government to exercise eminent domain for the good of the people and purchase all the mineral rights. Look at Obamacare, enough people wanted it, obamacare happened, obama got re-elected. so never say never.

10Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:38 pm

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This is an idea already being floated by the progressives, liberals, or what ever the hell they are calling themselves now.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/03/1105818/-The-Inefficiencies-of-Energy-for-Profit

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-207_162-6695731.html



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11Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:38 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

In the other thread you cited the daily kos and huffington post as two sources of that "wave of sentiment".

I managed to find this on huffington post...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/hurricane-sandy-new-jersey-york-power-outage_n_2113856.html

As you can see it's a scathing attack on a government owned utility.


12Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:45 pm

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Bob wrote:In the other thread you cited the daily kos and huffington post as two sources of that "wave of sentiment".

I managed to find this on huffington post...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/hurricane-sandy-new-jersey-york-power-outage_n_2113856.html

As you can see it's a scathing attack on a government owned utility.



What I find funny about this whole conversation is when New Orleans got ravaged by a hurricane you didn't hear any talk of nationalizing power but whoa New York gets hit with a small cat 2 and people are talking about nationalizing power. So whats the difference, New York is a Union democratic state Louisiana is not. Think about it.

13Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:48 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

alecto wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Do you think that the govt should take over energy completely... oil, natural gas, coal... drilling, mining, refining... the works?

They will never do that. Mineral rights are owned, bought, and sold as private property in this country. It would be like the government nationalizing your house or farm.

Never say never. Ever heard of eminent domain, if enough support was generated, enough people were wanting it then it could happen. Would be easy for the government to exercise eminent domain for the good of the people and purchase all the mineral rights. Look at Obamacare, enough people wanted it, obamacare happened, obama got re-elected. so never say never.

The government couldn't afford to purchase all of the mineral rights from owners. I don't think they would ever just sieze them. We are not that far gone yet, no matter how close to abject socialism you might think we are.

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14Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 9:50 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

alecto wrote:This is an idea already being floated by the progressives, liberals, or what ever the hell they are calling themselves now.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/03/1105818/-The-Inefficiencies-of-Energy-for-Profit

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-207_162-6695731.html


Useless blathering in both of those articles.... It will not happen.

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15Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 10:08 pm

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
alecto wrote:This is an idea already being floated by the progressives, liberals, or what ever the hell they are calling themselves now.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/03/1105818/-The-Inefficiencies-of-Energy-for-Profit

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-207_162-6695731.html


Useless blathering in both of those articles.... It will not happen.

They said we would never have nationalized healthcare and we are steadily on our way to that. Like I said never say never.

16Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 10:16 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

alecto wrote:

They said we would never have nationalized healthcare and we are steadily on our way to that. Like I said never say never.
Most all people who want electricity can afford to have it. And the cost of it is not escalating at a rate significantly greater than the rate of inflation.
That's not the case with health insruance.


17Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 11:47 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Bob wrote:
alecto wrote:

They said we would never have nationalized healthcare and we are steadily on our way to that. Like I said never say never.
Most all people who want electricity can afford to have it. And the cost of it is not escalating at a rate significantly greater than the rate of inflation.
That's not the case with health insruance.



Excellent point. I kinda thought that was a very weak analogy....

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18Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/12/2012, 11:49 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Yea but I misspelled that word. It should be spelled health inscrewance.

19Nationalized Energy Empty Re: Nationalized Energy 11/13/2012, 1:57 am

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Bob wrote:
alecto wrote:

They said we would never have nationalized healthcare and we are steadily on our way to that. Like I said never say never.
Most all people who want electricity can afford to have it. And the cost of it is not escalating at a rate significantly greater than the rate of inflation.
That's not the case with health insruance.



Excellent point. I kinda thought that was a very weak analogy....

Yeah it was weak but I was in a hurry and having a senior moment so a little slack please.

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