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Can we finally do away with the electoral college?

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Democrats have won 6 out of the last 7 popular votes, but only 4 out of the last 7 presidencies.

Can anyone present a rational argument for why the person who gets less votes should win the election?


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We have a representative republic... not mob rule... yet.

boards of FL

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But the question was why should the person who receives less votes win the election? Senate races don't work that way. House races don't work that way.

Why should a vote in Utah be worth more than a vote anywhere else?


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The left is like a child that's never been told no, never disciplined and now they're throwing a huge temper tantrum because they didn't get their way.

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boards of FL wrote:But the question was why should the person who receives less votes win the election?  Senate races don't work that way.  House races don't work that way.  

Why should a vote in Utah be worth more than a vote anywhere else?

Boards, leaving TTT's insults aside, the reason I hear most often given is that, were it strictly a vote count, the few very largest states by population would always control who wins -- or at least could, conceivably. I suppose that makes some sense, but it does seem like a crying damned shame (yes, naturally, especially when we lose).

The nurse in my doc's office today, who voted for Hillary, said something to the effect of, "They tell us to get out and vote, every vote counts, and look what all our votes got us." It's rough.

Sal

Sal

Tellthetruth wrote:The left is like a child that's never been told no, never disciplined and now they're throwing a huge temper tantrum because they didn't get their way.

You mean like this guy? ....

Can we finally do away with the electoral college? Captur17

Oopsie!

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ohhhhhh wrong again .....


http://www.chicksontheright.com/sorry-liberals-donald-trump-actually-won-the-popular-vote/

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Representative Republics for Dummies

RealLindaL



Tellthetruth wrote:ohhhhhh wrong again .....


http://www.chicksontheright.com/sorry-liberals-donald-trump-actually-won-the-popular-vote/


LIE!!!

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RealLindaL wrote:
Tellthetruth wrote:ohhhhhh wrong again .....


http://www.chicksontheright.com/sorry-liberals-donald-trump-actually-won-the-popular-vote/


LIE!!!

Hillary won a green participation ribbon.... so all square... right?

Markle

Markle

RealLindaL wrote:
Tellthetruth wrote:ohhhhhh wrong again .....


http://www.chicksontheright.com/sorry-liberals-donald-trump-actually-won-the-popular-vote/


LIE!!!

All the votes have not yet been counted.

Regardless, Donald Trump won the election.

Markle

Markle

Not only must we keep the Electoral College states should not be allowed to allocate votes between the winner and loser of that state.

Desperately we need also to repeal the 17th Amendment which establishes the direct election of United States Senators by popular vote.

Without the Electoral College, eight or ten of the fifty states would control the election over the other forty states.

We are the United States of America. We are a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC NOT A DEMOCRACY.

You lost, get over it. We've seen what a disaster your choice made over the past eight years. Now let the adults govern.

Telstar

Telstar

Markle

Markle

Why would I care what Donald Trump Tweeted?

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boards of FL wrote:Democrats have won 6 out of the last 7 popular votes, but only 4 out of the last 7 presidencies.  

Can anyone present a rational argument for why the person who gets less votes should win the election?

Here is the Civics lesson you forgot...it is about an 8th grade level class...

https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/883270108382513/

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boards of FL wrote:But the question was why should the person who receives less votes win the election?  Senate races don't work that way.  House races don't work that way.  

Why should a vote in Utah be worth more than a vote anywhere else?

Small states votes are as equal as large states.

We don't practice pure democracy, we have a Constitutional Republic. We also don't want tyranny or mob rule.

Markle

Markle

RealLindaL wrote:
boards of FL wrote:But the question was why should the person who receives less votes win the election?  Senate races don't work that way.  House races don't work that way.  

Why should a vote in Utah be worth more than a vote anywhere else?

Boards, leaving TTT's insults aside, the reason I hear most often given is that, were it strictly a vote count, the few very largest states by population would always control who wins -- or at least could, conceivably.   I suppose that makes some sense, but it does seem like a crying damned shame (yes, naturally, especially when we lose).  

The nurse in my doc's office today, who voted for Hillary, said something to the effect of, "They tell us to get out and vote, every vote counts, and look what all our votes got us."  It's rough.  

The nurse is of the mindset that everyone gets a trophy no one comes in second, no one loses.

Then BAM, there's that nasty real world.



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Imagine campaigns that target those few states and promise them the moon. Pure democracy doesn't work any better than the collectivist ideologies... socialism, fascism, communism. The idea was to protect freedom right down to the single individual. The means used to subvert that is a varied attack. Z was right about the popular vote to appoint senators too. That skewed part of the balance and damaged the state rights. Our govt is being morphed... and few even notice or care.

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Here's more of why we don't believe in mob rule in the United States BOF:

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/16/the-electoral-college-still-makes-sense-because-were-not-a-democracy/


The sad lot of the Electoral College is that what you see isn’t what you get. Like the counter-intuitive fact that a tire blowout on the right requires a steering wheel correction to the left, the EC works backwards. What appears to deprive the populace of its power to decide a president is the very mechanism that preserves its power. It works that way because this isn’t a democracy; not a pure one.


“Pure democracy” is just another phrase for “mob rule.” Dictatorship of the majority means 51 percent of the citizenry rule the other 49 percent. That minority has no rights except those the condescending majority grants. It works well for those in the 51 percent, not so much for those in the 49. Plato knew it, and James Madison, who knew his Plato, did too. Plato and Madison both recognized that justice and liberty for the minority is possible only when power is shared between groups in society.

Markle

Markle

Here are all the Counties and how they voted. Does anyone REALLY have to ask why we have the electoral College?

Can we finally do away with the electoral college? Counties%20voting%20for%20Trump_zpsqtgegkfc

RealLindaL



Markle wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:
Tellthetruth wrote:ohhhhhh wrong again .....


http://www.chicksontheright.com/sorry-liberals-donald-trump-actually-won-the-popular-vote/


LIE!!!

All the votes have not yet been counted.

Regardless, Donald Trump won the election.

I never disputed that, and in fact defended the electoral college system above. That does NOT change the fact that Hillary "actually won the popular vote," and that a LIE is a LIE is a LIE. I'm sick of being continually assaulted by prevarications. Evil or Very Mad

Markle

Markle

RealLindaL wrote:
Markle wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:
Tellthetruth wrote:ohhhhhh wrong again .....


http://www.chicksontheright.com/sorry-liberals-donald-trump-actually-won-the-popular-vote/


LIE!!!

All the votes have not yet been counted.

Regardless, Donald Trump won the election.

I never disputed that, and in fact defended the electoral college system above.  That does NOT change the fact that Hillary "actually won the popular vote," and that a LIE is a LIE is a LIE.  I'm sick of being continually assaulted by prevarications.  Evil or Very Mad

You couldn't know who won the popular vote as two states hadn't entered their totals. Sorry to bother you.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:Why would I care what Donald Trump Tweeted?


Maybe because President Pussy Grabber with the dead rat on his head, is now the Number One racist-fascist in the U.S.A.? Fess up, you know you adore him. Don't force us to look up and reprint all the kind statements you've made in this forum about your leader.

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PkrBum wrote:Representative Republics for Dummies


But what she didn't touch on is that the electoral votes in many of states do not have to cast for Trump.

One can also lobby and send an official form to these people to change their votes.

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There are a couple of states that are apportioned. But I'm not familiar with petitioning... are you sure that isn't the delegates during the primaries?

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