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Trump begs for Black vote while GOP demands VOTER ID. . .

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

This is one of the reasons Hillary will be the next President.  While Trump is on the stump promising African Americans better schools, less crime, more jobs, etc., the Republican Party is pressing to limit the black vote via new voter I.D. laws.  

"Dear Madam President" ...    LOL

Markle

Markle

Trump begs for Black vote while GOP demands VOTER ID. . . 54fd1508-5498-4114-a701-5117b8763ee7_zps31gwty9z

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

What's stupid or not stupid about voter ID laws isn't the issue.  As usual, Markle isn't capable of focusing on the crux of a matter. What Markle or Wordslinger thinks about the stupidity of voter ID laws, doesn't matter. What matters is what black voters think.  Trump's telling them he will make their lives better, and at the same time, his party is working hard to limit their vote.  And they know it.

Can you say "Madame President?"  LOL  

Markle

Markle

No one has ever explained how requiring valid, photo ID prevents someone from voting.

People, anyone, who wants or uses any of the services listed above have and use a photo ID. Why is that perfectly fine and necessary but voting, our most sacred right...is not?

Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:
Why is that perfectly fine and necessary but voting, our most sacred right...is not?

You just answered your own question, dummy.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Markle wrote:Trump begs for Black vote while GOP demands VOTER ID. . . 54fd1508-5498-4114-a701-5117b8763ee7_zps31gwty9z

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Markle

Markle

Joanimaroni wrote:
Markle wrote:Trump begs for Black vote while GOP demands VOTER ID. . . 54fd1508-5498-4114-a701-5117b8763ee7_zps31gwty9z

NEW DR. appointment
Lab work
Xray
E.R. visit
Cashing a check

Yep, yep, yep, yep and...yep.

The ONLY logical reason to NOT have photo ID's is cost. A zero problem since most states will provide photo ID's at no cost to those who need them.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Florida charges $25 for a photo ID. Then there's the matter of having a birth certificate, SS card, 2 proofs of address, a ride to the DMV if you don't drive, time off from work if you work M-F like most people, someone to take care of family members if you have that responsibility as a parent or caregiver, etc. And what happens if you're wrongfully purged from the voting rolls, as Jeb did in 2000? The penalty for voter fraud is 3-1/2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. That should be sufficient deterrent. The voter ID requirement some states are passing is, without doubt, an attempt to disenfranchise poor people and minorities.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth

"Teresa Sharp is fifty-three years old and has lived in a modest single-family house on Millsdale Street, in a suburb of Cincinnati, for nearly thirty-three years. A lifelong Democrat, she has voted in every Presidential election since she turned eighteen. So she was agitated when an official summons from the Hamilton County Board of Elections arrived in the mail last month. Hamilton County, which includes Cincinnati, is one of the most populous regions of the most fiercely contested state in the 2012 election. No Republican candidate has ever won the Presidency without carrying Ohio, and recent polls show Barack Obama and Mitt Romney almost even in the state. Every vote may matter, including those cast by the seven members of the Sharp family—Teresa, her husband, four grown children, and an elderly aunt—living in the Millsdale Street house.

The letter, which cited arcane legal statutes and was printed on government letterhead, was dated September 4th. “You are hereby notified that your right to vote has been challenged by a qualified elector,” it said. “The Hamilton County Board of Elections has scheduled a hearing regarding your right to vote on Monday, September 10th, 2012, at 8:30 a.m. . . . You have the right to appear and testify, call witnesses and be represented by counsel.”

“My first thought was, Oh, no!” Sharp, who is African-American, said. “They ain’t messing with us poor black folks! Who is challenging my right to vote?”

The answer to Sharp’s question is that a new watchdog group, the Ohio Voter Integrity Project, which polices voter-registration rolls in search of “electoral irregularities,” raised questions about her eligibility after consulting a government-compiled list of local properties and mistakenly identifying her house as a vacant lot.

The Sharp household had first been identified as suspicious by computer software that had been provided to the Ohio Voter Integrity Project by a national organization called True the Vote. The software, which has been distributed to similar groups around the country, is used to flag certain households, including those with six or more registered voters. This approach inevitably pinpoints many lower-income residents, students, and extended families.

True the Vote, which was founded in 2009 and is based in Houston, describes itself as a nonprofit organization, created “by citizens for citizens,” that aims to protect “the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party.” Although the group has a spontaneous grassroots aura, it was founded by a local Tea Party activist, Catherine Engelbrecht, and from the start it has received guidance from intensely partisan election lawyers and political operatives, who have spent years stoking fear about election fraud. This cohort—which Roll Call has called the “voter fraud brain trust”—has filed lawsuits, released studies, testified before Congress, and written op-ed columns and books. Since 2011, the effort has spurred legislative initiatives in thirty-seven states to require photo identification to vote.

Engelbrecht has received especially valuable counsel from one member of the group: Hans von Spakovsky. A Republican lawyer who served in the Bush Administration, he is now a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank. “Hans is very, very helpful,” Engelbrecht said. “He’s one of the senior advisers on our advisory council.” Von Spakovsky, who frequently appears on Fox News, is the co-author, with the columnist John Fund, of the recent book “Who’s Counting?,” which argues that America is facing an electoral-security crisis. “Election fraud, whether it’s phony voter registrations, illegal absentee ballots, vote-buying, shady recounts, or old-fashioned ballot-box stuffing, can be found in every part of the United States,” they write. The book connects these modern threats with sordid episodes from the American past: crooked inner-city machines, corrupt black bosses in the Deep South. Von Spakovsky and Fund conclude that electoral fraud is a “spreading” danger, and declare that True the Vote serves “an obvious need.”..."

Meanwhile, aside from Steve Bannon, who still hasn't resolved his Florida address, these people have all been accused of voter fraud:

Trump begs for Black vote while GOP demands VOTER ID. . . FalseResidencyVoterFraud_Romney_Coulter_White_Huntsman_Lugar_Akin_med

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Ken Blackwell, who was caught committing voter fraud in Ohio, and Hans Von Spakovsky, of the Bush administration and the Heritage Foundation, mentioned in the article above.

Trump begs for Black vote while GOP demands VOTER ID. . . Blackwell_VonSpakovsky

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Floridatexan wrote:
Florida charges $25 for a photo ID.  Then there's the matter of having a birth certificate, SS card, 2 proofs of address, a ride to the DMV if you don't drive, time off from work if you work M-F like most people, someone to take care of family members if you have that responsibility as a parent or caregiver, etc.  And what happens if you're wrongfully purged from the voting rolls, as Jeb did in 2000?  The penalty for voter fraud is 3-1/2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.  That should be sufficient deterrent.  The voter ID requirement some states are passing is, without doubt, an attempt to disenfranchise poor people and minorities.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth

"Teresa Sharp is fifty-three years old and has lived in a modest single-family house on Millsdale Street, in a suburb of Cincinnati, for nearly thirty-three years. A lifelong Democrat, she has voted in every Presidential election since she turned eighteen. So she was agitated when an official summons from the Hamilton County Board of Elections arrived in the mail last month. Hamilton County, which includes Cincinnati, is one of the most populous regions of the most fiercely contested state in the 2012 election. No Republican candidate has ever won the Presidency without carrying Ohio, and recent polls show Barack Obama and Mitt Romney almost even in the state. Every vote may matter, including those cast by the seven members of the Sharp family—Teresa, her husband, four grown children, and an elderly aunt—living in the Millsdale Street house.

The letter, which cited arcane legal statutes and was printed on government letterhead, was dated September 4th. “You are hereby notified that your right to vote has been challenged by a qualified elector,” it said. “The Hamilton County Board of Elections has scheduled a hearing regarding your right to vote on Monday, September 10th, 2012, at 8:30 a.m. . . . You have the right to appear and testify, call witnesses and be represented by counsel.”

“My first thought was, Oh, no!” Sharp, who is African-American, said. “They ain’t messing with us poor black folks! Who is challenging my right to vote?”

The answer to Sharp’s question is that a new watchdog group, the Ohio Voter Integrity Project, which polices voter-registration rolls in search of “electoral irregularities,” raised questions about her eligibility after consulting a government-compiled list of local properties and mistakenly identifying her house as a vacant lot.

The Sharp household had first been identified as suspicious by computer software that had been provided to the Ohio Voter Integrity Project by a national organization called True the Vote. The software, which has been distributed to similar groups around the country, is used to flag certain households, including those with six or more registered voters. This approach inevitably pinpoints many lower-income residents, students, and extended families.

True the Vote, which was founded in 2009 and is based in Houston, describes itself as a nonprofit organization, created “by citizens for citizens,” that aims to protect “the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party.” Although the group has a spontaneous grassroots aura, it was founded by a local Tea Party activist, Catherine Engelbrecht, and from the start it has received guidance from intensely partisan election lawyers and political operatives, who have spent years stoking fear about election fraud. This cohort—which Roll Call has called the “voter fraud brain trust”—has filed lawsuits, released studies, testified before Congress, and written op-ed columns and books. Since 2011, the effort has spurred legislative initiatives in thirty-seven states to require photo identification to vote.

Engelbrecht has received especially valuable counsel from one member of the group: Hans von Spakovsky. A Republican lawyer who served in the Bush Administration, he is now a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank. “Hans is very, very helpful,” Engelbrecht said. “He’s one of the senior advisers on our advisory council.” Von Spakovsky, who frequently appears on Fox News, is the co-author, with the columnist John Fund, of the recent book “Who’s Counting?,” which argues that America is facing an electoral-security crisis. “Election fraud, whether it’s phony voter registrations, illegal absentee ballots, vote-buying, shady recounts, or old-fashioned ballot-box stuffing, can be found in every part of the United States,” they write. The book connects these modern threats with sordid episodes from the American past: crooked inner-city machines, corrupt black bosses in the Deep South. Von Spakovsky and Fund conclude that electoral fraud is a “spreading” danger, and declare that True the Vote serves “an obvious need.”..."

Meanwhile, aside from Steve Bannon, who still hasn't resolved his Florida address, these people have all been accused of voter fraud:

Trump begs for Black vote while GOP demands VOTER ID. . . FalseResidencyVoterFraud_Romney_Coulter_White_Huntsman_Lugar_Akin_med



You are full of shit. Many government agencies offer free photo ID's.

I do like the way you ignore all the other venues that require a photo ID.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


There is no reason to require a registered voter to present photo ID. If photo ID is necessary to vote, then it should be provided at the time of registration by the office of the Supervisor of Elections.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

If you have health insurance, why is it necessary to show photo ID at hospitals, new doctor appointments and to have ancillary services done. Why do you have to provide a photo ID to get a prescription filled for a controlled substance? If you have a bank account why do you need a photo ID to withdraw cash?

To prove who the fuck you are.

2seaoat



No one has ever explained how requiring valid, photo ID prevents someone from voting.

This argument was used for poll taxes and literacy tests. Both were not constitutionally sanctioned. In regard to an ID, when someone registers the courts have long upheld confirmation of qualification of voting. Where the courts disallow any restriction on voting which was not in the Constitution(voter ID was not and is not in our constitution.....it is a make up requirement, and Mr. Markle posted a list of privileges where an ID is required, but no constitutional right where one is required)

Let me help folks who are having a difficult time with the concept of why these restrictions are unconstitutional. It goes to intent and impact on actual voters. The recent court decisions have been unanimous, leaving no question as to the intent and the impact. If a person registers, and a question is raised as to that person residence, there is still time to resolve the same and not take away a citizens right to vote. However, if a citizen shows up at the polls and gives their name, the voter rolls are checked, and a ballot is given to the voter. I have voted that way for almost fifty years. If I had a ticket issued in Illinois they take your license until the court date when it is returned. So, I lose my ability to vote because the day I show up to vote I do not have an ID.....please.

The answer is very simple. When a voter is registered to vote a photo is taken and put in the voter registration roll. Done. I show up and give my name....they check my registration and address, and if they are uncertain who I am, look at the photo in the voter registration roll..........Again out of 4 million Iowa ballots they found 8 frauds while voting. This is simply an attempt to exclude folks who are poor and minorities. It is shameful if people cannot see it for what it is.

2seaoat



To prove who the fuck you are.


That is done with registration. If the people of any given state want to snap a photo when registering a voter, it is simple to do with current technology. There is nothing in the constitution which makes voting a privilege where you have to take a literacy test, or pay a poll tax, or produce a government issued ID. It is an absolute right which cannot be taken away as it has been repeatedly by restrictions to voting.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Were you asking me a question? If I'm a registered voter, I've already proven who I am.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Markle wrote:
Joanimaroni wrote:
Markle wrote:Trump begs for Black vote while GOP demands VOTER ID. . . 54fd1508-5498-4114-a701-5117b8763ee7_zps31gwty9z

NEW DR. appointment
Lab work
Xray
E.R. visit
Cashing a check

Yep, yep, yep, yep and...yep.

The ONLY logical reason to NOT have photo ID's is cost.  A zero problem since most states will provide photo ID's at no cost to those who need them.


How stupid is this list? Which one of your items are guaranteed by the constitution as a right?

I don't care if you need a picture or government ID to cross the street. When it comes to the right to vote this is another situation altogether. Ever since Reconstruction whites have been scheming for ways to stay in control of the public domain. This current attempt at requiring voter ID is just another of those schemes based on the well proven false idea that hoards of voters are voting illegally.

We stand a much better chance of having our votes manipulated by the Russian hackers than by some poor old person who has no recognized "voter ID". The people who are pushing for this sort of thing just need to put on their big boy pants and admit that they just want to limit the voter pool. It is just preposterous in this day and time to think that people will try and hide behind this thinly veiled attempt at keeping people away from the polls.

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