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Bob I think you said March 7th

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101Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 8:29 am

dumpcare



The word bronch indicates to me they went down like seaoat mention.

Did you just receive that letter Saturday? I wonder when the doctor's office was going to tell you since I have a feeling they knew before the surgery?

Any way a Medicare Advantage yes replaces Medicare but will only pay what Medicare would have approved. If Medicare wouldn't approve it neither will the insurance company's.

We'll work this out after you see your doctor about the pathology, but need to start this week.

After the doc get with his office staff and asked them to explain.

102Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 9:37 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

ppaca wrote:The word bronch indicates to me they went down like seaoat mention.

Did you just receive that letter Saturday? I wonder when the doctor's office was going to tell you since I have a feeling they knew before the surgery?

Any way a Medicare Advantage yes replaces Medicare but will only pay what Medicare would have approved. If Medicare wouldn't approve it neither will the insurance company's.

We'll work this out after you see your doctor about the pathology, but need to start this week.

After the doc get with his office staff and asked them to explain.

I'll get up with the staff tomorrow if I can.  But the appoinment is at 4 pm and I imagine they'll be in a hurry to leave.

If they did the "bronc",  then I'm all confused.  Because the surgeon emphasized to me that doing the "bronc" was too challenging because of the location of the tumor and said it might not even work.  So instead,  he was recommending that I have the robotic wedge resection instead of the "bronc".

I received the letter from Blue Cross on Friday.

103Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 9:47 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Two and a half years ago I had health insurance and needed surgery.  Had it done at Sacred Heart.  My co-pay on that surgery was more than $10,000 which I'm paying off at the rate of $200 per month.
If this surgery costs $100,000,  I imagine the hospital will want more than $200 a month for this one.  At some point I'm just not going to have enough money to pay for all this anymore.  I don't mind giving all the money and assets I have to hospitals and doctors,  but after that money's gone I can't give them anymore.  And when they figure that out,  I doubt they'll keep wanting to give me treatment.

104Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 9:52 am

dumpcare



Well Bob, I think Joani may be able to attest to this. If the doctor knew the insurance company wasn't going to reimburse they would have put this off. I would imagine they had electronic communication with Blue Cross before the 7th that either said yea or nay. That communication is important in fighting this. Also mark the date you received that letter. Since it was dated before your surgery.

This somehow has to be a coding and wording error from the docs office.

I think there are now 10,000 plus codes for medical procedure's and some change weekly.

The copy of the letter you blanked out your name (and should have your id) do you have it without anything blocked out? If so scan and email it to me.

105Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 9:53 am

dumpcare



Bob wrote:Two and a half years ago I had health insurance and needed surgery.  Had it done at Sacred Heart.  My co-pay on that surgery was more than $10,000 which I'm paying off at the rate of $200 per month.
If this surgery costs $100,000,  I imagine the hospital will want more than $200 a month for this one.  At some point I'm just not going to have enough money to pay for all this anymore.  I don't mind giving all the money and assets I have to hospitals and doctors,  but after that money's gone I can't give them anymore.  And when they figure that out,  I doubt they'll keep wanting to give me treatment.

They have to give you treatment.

106Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 10:03 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

ppaca wrote:
They have to give you treatment.


"Not all medical conditions qualify for uncompensated mandated services imposed by EMTALA, which is contrary to the misperception that many individuals assume that if they are ill, they will be treated, regardless of their ability to pay"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act#Non-covered_medical_conditions

107Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 10:25 am

Hallmarkgard



Like I said before, there is help if you qualify. I am not going to share the details in a open forum but Sacred Heart has been very helpful in working with us.

108Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 10:53 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Hallmarkgard wrote:Like I said before, there is help if you qualify.  I am not going to share the details in a open forum but Sacred Heart has been very helpful in working with us.  

I don't qualify,  hallmark.  I put in for financial assistance to help with my last Sacred Heart surgery bill and was turned down.  That's why I'm still paying it off every month.
My income is plenty low enough to qualify but it also takes assets into account.  I guess their reasoning is that before I get financial assistance I should sell my utility stock to pay off the bill.  I get that part.   But the only problem is I'm living off the dividends I get from that utility stock.  If I sell it to pay a hospital bill I will no longer have the income from it to pay my other bills with so I am really trying to avoid that.

109Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 11:00 am

dumpcare



Bob, you have not received any bills or explanation of benefit's yet so don't put yourself in the poor house yet. We will start an appeal after your doctor's visit and some explanation from them. You're going to need some documentation from them. Also, tell them to file the claims. Also, don't start paying anything until we have determined if you're responsible.

110Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 11:04 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I'm not accepting defeat yet,  ppaca.  I'll supply your office with eveyrthing I get on this from now on.
I'm headed out now to make some photocopies to give the doctor's staff.

111Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 11:23 am

dumpcare



Bob wrote:I'm not accepting defeat yet,  ppaca.  I'll supply your office with eveyrthing I get on this from now on.
I'm headed out now to make some photocopies to give the doctor's staff.

Make copy's for us too.

112Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 11:40 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

will do

113Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 12:48 pm

dumpcare



Bob wrote:will do

I'm emailing you the appeal form, take it to the doc tomorrow and have the office staff help you fill in the nature of your grievance. There are 3 more steps if your appeal is denied.

114Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 1:20 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

ppaca wrote:
Bob wrote:will do

I'm emailing you the appeal form, take it to the doc tomorrow and have the office staff help you fill in the nature of your grievance. There are 3 more steps if your appeal is denied.


Thanks,  ppaca.  I don't know what I'd do without you.

115Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/14/2016, 3:53 pm

dumpcare



Bob wrote:
ppaca wrote:
Bob wrote:will do

I'm emailing you the appeal form, take it to the doc tomorrow and have the office staff help you fill in the nature of your grievance. There are 3 more steps if your appeal is denied.


Thanks,  ppaca.  I don't know what I'd do without you.

I do, you would set up a payment arrangement without knowing you may have been screwed.

116Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/15/2016, 5:03 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Stage 4 Melanoma.  Excuse me while I go get drunk.

117Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/15/2016, 5:33 pm

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Oh Bob!

118Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/15/2016, 5:56 pm

RealLindaL



Bob, I'm really sorry to hear this and it must be so terribly frightening to hear, but all may not be lost!!  I have a neighborhood acquaintance here, now in her early 70's, who was diagnosed with Stage 4 melanoma at LEAST six years ago, probably longer (I forget - we aren't close).  The metastasis showed up in a large lump on her neck, something like eight years following her original melonoma diagnosis.  The lump was resected (and maybe there was radiation but I don't remember) and she has had no further recurrence.   She looks and feels great.   She briefly considered immunotherapy at the time  but  it wasn't as well developed as currently and had too many negatives, so she decided against that -- just went on about her business, and for whatever reason has had no further metastases.   Uncommon, perhaps, but it happens!
Still, this has to be a huge kick in the gut for you and you don't deserve it.  Wish I could fix it.   Sad

119Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/15/2016, 6:03 pm

Guest


Guest

I'm sorry too Bob. After you sober up... get ready to fight.

120Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/15/2016, 6:11 pm

dumpcare



I can only say what other's have said, man I am so sorry, have a good drunk and we'll talk in a day or two. You know I'm not the praying type but I'm saying a lot for you now.

121Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/15/2016, 6:18 pm

knothead

knothead

Good Lord! Can't express how sorry I feel to hear this Bob, Linda's story was bit of encouragement so take that bit and run with it . . . . . also, may I mirror pkr's advice . . . . . . when you sober up get ready to fight this damn it!
ppaca, you sir are a godsend . . . . thank you so much for assisting our friend through the tangle of fine print, thank you!

122Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/15/2016, 7:31 pm

2seaoat



Not the best cards to make a hand out of Bob....., but you have at least a couple of years in your battle depending on your LDH levels.....the literature basically tells us that you have over 53% chance to be here a year from now, and about 33% to be here two years from now based on old stats before some of the new treatments improve those surviving rates. Not much different than small cell which they are vastly improving survival rates based on new modalities.

You now are going to get over the C word, and begin what can be the best period in your life. In grade school I was told my life expectancy as a male was 72 and a woman was 74......by the time I was in high school they had improved, but in my mind 72 was the deal, and I am 64 and probably will not make 66. The last 7 years have been the best 7 years in my life and that has been with full knowledge of the fragile nature of my life. You now possess wisdom that few are able to obtain.....most folks do not know what will do them in....they have no time......they have no appreciation. A sunrise, a sunset, or a good drunk takes on special meaning as your wisdom grows. You will find friends and family are going to become very important, and the usual frustration with the phone company, cable, or water department just does not matter as much. I spent a couple days immersed in UTUBE listening to music which just made me happy and before my wisdom, I would be doing my usual rushing around. I spend time with the grandchildren and if I did not possess the wisdom, I would have been on the golf course.

I want to celebrate your life and enjoy your company on this forum as long as we are able, and you will put this in perspective. It will be a hard few days, but if you think about it.......T never had the opportunity you and I have.....he was healthy and active, and gone in a blink.......yea, there is fear of pain.....yea, there is fear of losing control......yea, there is the fear of the unknown, but with your soon to be acquired wisdom you will find peace and a sense of purpose and well being despite the horrible cards you have been dealt.......and I will still give you are hard time......because you just cannot stop living......you will grow over the next few years and in that process I hope you find tranquility.

123Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/15/2016, 8:08 pm

Guest


Guest

I'm not a cussing woman but all I can say is "well shit!" Hate cancer.

Keep true to who you are Bob. Don't become cancer's victim. Live life to its fullest. Don't stop. Attitude will keep you moving ahead.

124Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/15/2016, 9:02 pm

2seaoat



this is from a blog four years ago

Take a deep breath...now is a "good" time to have melanoma:). My 38 year old husband was dx with stage 4 melanoma in January 2011 and was given a 6-9 month prognosis. We have three young boys and thought e same thing. Thanks to 4 surgeries (small bowel resection, thoracotomy, craniotomy and gamma knife) and 2 new medicines...Yervoy and Zelboraf, 19 months later, he is not only alive, but had a scan last month that showed No Evidence of Disease! The first thing to do is to find a melanoma specialist. Do lots of research...Yervoy and Zelboraf are newest and greatest FDA approved treatments and there are many trials available, There are treatments and trials. You'll see from these boards that melanoma is deadly...there and many widows and widowers who still post, but there are many, many patients posting here 3, 5, 7, and I think I've even seen 11 years after a stage 4 diagnosis. Hang in there and learn all you can.

125Bob I think you said March 7th - Page 5 Empty Re: Bob I think you said March 7th 3/15/2016, 9:05 pm

dumpcare



Clinical Trials

There are many clinical trials to explore, with new therapies arising every day. Contact our helpline, 866-463-6663 or email cpoole@melanomainternational.org, to find help matching you to a treatment trial if that is what you choose to do. Also be sure to look at the ongoing discussions of current therapies at our forum. You can also go to: www.clinicaltrials.gov and put melanoma in the search for a list of trials.

NEW Therapies

New Targeted Therapies for Melanoma: BRAF and MEK
When you are diagnosed with melanoma, your oncologist may bring up the term BRAF or MEK with you. Zelboraf, a BRAF inhibitor, was approved for prescription by the FDA in the fall of 2011. Approximately 50% of melanoma patients’ tumor tissue tests positive for this genetic mutation. A mutated BRAF accelerates tumor cell growth and this change can increase the growth and spread of cancer cells. Therefore, these BRAF drugs target the cancer-causing mutation in melanoma. The BRAF oral medication should not be given to those without the mutation, as it could actually accelerate tumor progression. BRAF mutations usually arise from sun exposed skin and rarely from those melanomas such as mucosal, ocular or acral, whose origin is not clearly known yet. In order for these therapies to work most effectively, you need first to be BRAF positive. Your tumor tissue must test positive for the BRAF gene before you can be prescribed this oral agent.

MEK, on the other hand, is a bit different with less information available on its performance. It does appear that you can be BRAF Negative and respond to the MEK drugs, if you are NRAS positive (another mutation to be tested for). BRAF and MEK have been combined in clinical trial, showing promising results and Dabrafenib and Mekinist were approved by the FDA in 2013 for prescription. Currently another mek to be combined with Zelboraf is waiting approval by the FDA, Cobimetinib is the current name. Testing for BRAF should be current with the COBAS test or other FDA approved tests. Testing performed years back should be reviewed, as it may change with newer methods. The BRAF drugs often give a pronounced reduction in tumor burden but the duration of response can be limited. Research is showing that patients shouldn’t wait until progression of disease on these drugs before considering an alternative therapy. Also, sometimes going off this therapy and returning to it a few months later can produce a response. Side effects vary with fevers, rash, joint pain, and nausea being among the common ones.

mmunotherapy for Melanoma
It is a well-known fact that melanoma is an immune responsive disease. Cracking the code to turn on the body’s immune system to effectively eliminate melanoma tumors, however, has remained elusive until recently. Older immunotherapies, IL2 and Interferon, although still in use, may be toxic to the whole body and seemingly ineffective for the majority of patients. Bio-chemo, mixing interferon, IL2 and chemo together has been proven ineffective in providing a survival advantage. Advances in research have led to an improved understanding of the interactions between the immune system and tumors, generating renewed interest in novel immunologic approaches to the treatment of melanoma. Indeed, there have been multiple FDA approvals of immunologic agents in recent years and there are many ongoing trials of immunotherapies in lung cancer, colorectal cancer, and melanoma. The safety and efficacy of these new agents have much improved the outlook for immunotherapy treatments for melanoma.

The first, Ipilimumab, was approved by the FDA and, more recently, in several global sites for melanoma treatment. The response rate is from 15 to 20% for patients. There are reported cases of long term response. The side effects can be different for individuals, this is understood and closely watched to prevent from progressing with the use of steroids and other medications.

The introduction of PD1 brings us even higher promise. The latest reports show PD1 Keytruda having a 38% response rate and the Opdivo Pd1 32% for melanoma patients. The safety profile for PD1 is also remarkable, with little toxicity associated with the treatment. Still in the works are combination strategies with the immunotherapy agents. Mixing Yervoy with PD1 is showing promising results. Both PD1 agents, Keytruda and Opdivo have now been approved by the FDA for third line treatment. You must have progressed on the BRAF therapy (if BRAF positive) and Yervoy before getting the Pd1 agents. This will hopefully change early in 2015. Yervoy and the BRAF targeted agent however, showed liver toxicity and therefore switched to a sequential treatment protocol. The sky is the limit on how these immunotherapies and other agents may pan out, either alone, together or sequentially. The exciting frontier of melanoma research may begin to produce a therapy that provides a long-standing remission of this terrible disease melanoma. It is long past due for the melanoma world.

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