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2 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/15/2016, 2:39 pm
Floridatexan
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/leadup-iraq-war-timeline
935 LIES
3 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/15/2016, 3:06 pm
Guest
Guest
It's a shame that the useful idiots only care when the other team lies. That weakens our whole political process.
4 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/15/2016, 4:07 pm
Floridatexan
PkrBum wrote:It's a shame that the useful idiots only care when the other team lies. That weakens our whole political process.
Funny you should say that because I had a political discussion with an old friend of mine yesterday...she's probably one of my oldest friends...we grew up together. She is a Republican. Despite whatever political differences we have, we remain friends. That means we can talk beyond partisan labels. "See how that works?"
5 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/15/2016, 4:21 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
Of course he lied; as did Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Wolfowitz, etc., etc. etc. ......
6 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/16/2016, 12:58 am
Markle
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Of course he lied; as did Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Wolfowitz, etc., etc. etc. ......
Yes...and the etc., etc., etc., are....
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."
- President Clinton in 1998 “
[…], when I say to Saddam Hussein, "You cannot defy the will of the world", and when I say to him, "You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.”
- President Clinton , Jan. 27, 1998 – State of the Union
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 .
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.
“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraqis nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.”
“Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.”
“Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.”
- President Bill Clinton, Dec. 16, 1998
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 Clinton Secretary of State
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."
- Madeline Albright, 1998 Clinton Secretary of State
"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 "
Update: September 8, 2005 - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser was sentenced to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them..
[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 .
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 .
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 .
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 .
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 .
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 .
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."
- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."
- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 .
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003" (Currently President Barack Hussein Obama’s Secretary of State)
I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."
- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
"Saddam is gone and good riddance," former President Bill Clinton said yesterday, but he urged President Bush to resist trying to get even with nations that opposed the war.
"There are German and French soldiers in Afghanistan today. Does the President want them to come home?" Clinton said at a Manhattan forum on corporate integrity.
Democrats on Iraq + WMD's (Weapons of Mass Destruction)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk&feature=related
He [President Clinton] praised Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for their handling of the war, but said Bush should have waited longer before attacking for the "chance that either [Saddam Hussein] would have disarmed or . . . we would have had far more members of the Security Council with us."
Clinton also said Bush should not be faulted if banned weapons of mass destruction aren't found.
"I don't think you can criticize the President for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. . . . That is what I was always told," Clinton said.
- Former President Clinton Wednesday, April 16, 2003
"Could Be One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society" he said. "It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."
- Vice President Joe Biden (D) Feb. 10, 2010
How has the war President Barack Hussein Obama said we SHOULD have been fighting going? How is the Middle East going now that President Obama is President? Oh, Afghanistan just crossed 2,330 American fatalities. Seventy percent of whom died since President Obama took office.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcOv-AbHlCk
And now the Obama administration wants to TAKE CREDIT for the Iraq war…whew….
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8 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/16/2016, 3:08 am
2seaoat
The same special interests which are trying to coax us into perpetual war in the Middle East was largely responsible for the Iraq fiasco. This was NOT all on President Bush, but he was manipulated like clay to achieve those special interest goals of American kids spilling blood to protect Saudi Arabia and Israel, and all the while the stability of the middle east crumbled.....which coincidentally matched the strategic goals of Israel and Saudi Arabia. The same folks are working Rubio, Cruz, Bush to have a new Neocon reality, but the American people have learned....they will flush the traitors down the toilet. We need to get out of the Middle East and provide support in a secondary capacity for Israel and Saudi Arabia. No more American kids sacrificed to special interest....zero.
9 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/16/2016, 7:46 am
Wordslinger
Markle wrote:ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Of course he lied; as did Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Wolfowitz, etc., etc. etc. ......
Yes...and the etc., etc., etc., are....
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."
- President Clinton in 1998 “
[…], when I say to Saddam Hussein, "You cannot defy the will of the world", and when I say to him, "You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.”
- President Clinton , Jan. 27, 1998 – State of the Union
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 .
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.
“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraqis nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.”
“Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.”
“Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.”
- President Bill Clinton, Dec. 16, 1998
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 Clinton Secretary of State
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."
- Madeline Albright, 1998 Clinton Secretary of State
"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 "
Update: September 8, 2005 - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser was sentenced to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them..
[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 .
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 .
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 .
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 .
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 .
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 .
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."
- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."
- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 .
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003" (Currently President Barack Hussein Obama’s Secretary of State)
I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."
- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
"Saddam is gone and good riddance," former President Bill Clinton said yesterday, but he urged President Bush to resist trying to get even with nations that opposed the war.
"There are German and French soldiers in Afghanistan today. Does the President want them to come home?" Clinton said at a Manhattan forum on corporate integrity.
Democrats on Iraq + WMD's (Weapons of Mass Destruction)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk&feature=related
He [President Clinton] praised Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for their handling of the war, but said Bush should have waited longer before attacking for the "chance that either [Saddam Hussein] would have disarmed or . . . we would have had far more members of the Security Council with us."
Clinton also said Bush should not be faulted if banned weapons of mass destruction aren't found.
"I don't think you can criticize the President for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. . . . That is what I was always told," Clinton said.
- Former President Clinton Wednesday, April 16, 2003
"Could Be One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society" he said. "It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."
- Vice President Joe Biden (D) Feb. 10, 2010
How has the war President Barack Hussein Obama said we SHOULD have been fighting going? How is the Middle East going now that President Obama is President? Oh, Afghanistan just crossed 2,330 American fatalities. Seventy percent of whom died since President Obama took office.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcOv-AbHlCk
And now the Obama administration wants to TAKE CREDIT for the Iraq war…whew….
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Despite all your so-called "facts," Trump -- the virtual leading republican candidate for the presidency has it right -- George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq was a "terrible mistake," the worst political decision possible for America.
And as Trump says, For all our costs and sacrifices, we didn't even get the oil!
And Trump has the strongest support by republicans, of any of the 9,456 candidates still running. Markle, just who do you represent? LOL
10 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/16/2016, 7:58 am
Guest
Guest
Can we atleast get past the leftist talkingpoint that bush2 fabricated the intelligence that was common under clinton?
11 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/16/2016, 8:00 am
cool1
Trump did not lie he just told the truth -- But didn't senior Bush tell his son not to do this , Because it would unstable the region . Obama is the one that screwed it up and let it get out of hand after.
Obama and the constitution, he only uses the constitution when its in his favor other than that he don't care about the constitution , Our country has been so divided by this nutt that's how I feel anyway.
Obama and the constitution, he only uses the constitution when its in his favor other than that he don't care about the constitution , Our country has been so divided by this nutt that's how I feel anyway.
12 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/16/2016, 8:01 am
Wordslinger
As the latest Republican presidential debate opened Saturday, Donald Trump, in a heated exchange with former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, bluntly accused George W. Bush of lying about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to fool Americans into supporting the war in Iraq.
“Obviously, the war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake, all right?” Trump thundered when asked about his call for then-President George W. Bush to be impeached. “They lied. They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none, and they knew there were none.”
Trump added, “George Bush made the mistake. We can make mistakes, but that one was a beauty.”
So sayeth the leading republican contender for the Presidency. Reality.
13 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/16/2016, 1:16 pm
Floridatexan
2seaoat wrote:The same special interests which are trying to coax us into perpetual war in the Middle East was largely responsible for the Iraq fiasco. This was NOT all on President Bush, but he was manipulated like clay to achieve those special interest goals of American kids spilling blood to protect Saudi Arabia and Israel, and all the while the stability of the middle east crumbled.....which coincidentally matched the strategic goals of Israel and Saudi Arabia. The same folks are working Rubio, Cruz, Bush to have a new Neocon reality, but the American people have learned....they will flush the traitors down the toilet. We need to get out of the Middle East and provide support in a secondary capacity for Israel and Saudi Arabia. No more American kids sacrificed to special interest....zero.
If Bush was manipulated, why is it that his biographer stated that he planned to invade Iraq BEFORE he was ever in office? Jebbie was a member of PNAC. Poppy was in the CIA years before he was officially in the CIA. Grandpa Prescott was a banker for the Nazis...there's no denying that. The entire family is evil personified. They don't give a damn about how many people they kill or maim or how many kids they leave without a mom or dad. Tell me, Seaoat, who can manipulate you, even under hypnosis, if you don't want to be manipulated?
14 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/16/2016, 1:17 pm
Floridatexan
cool1 wrote:Trump did not lie he just told the truth -- But didn't senior Bush tell his son not to do this , Because it would unstable the region . Obama is the one that screwed it up and let it get out of hand after.
Obama and the constitution, he only uses the constitution when its in his favor other than that he don't care about the constitution , Our country has been so divided by this nutt that's how I feel anyway.
It's really too bad you're not better informed.
15 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/17/2016, 12:32 am
Guest
Guest
Floridatexan wrote:cool1 wrote:Trump did not lie he just told the truth -- But didn't senior Bush tell his son not to do this , Because it would unstable the region . Obama is the one that screwed it up and let it get out of hand after.
Obama and the constitution, he only uses the constitution when its in his favor other than that he don't care about the constitution , Our country has been so divided by this nutt that's how I feel anyway.
It's really too bad you're not better informed.
How do you remain so uninformed given the overwhelming evidence that the intelligence had been in place since clinton?
Cmon... atleast try to be fair. Have you ever heard about the time that clinton had a bead on bin laden and passed?
You have no ability to judge whether a person is informed... considering what you ignore.
16 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/17/2016, 4:00 am
Vikingwoman
cool1 wrote:Trump did not lie he just told the truth -- But didn't senior Bush tell his son not to do this , Because it would unstable the region . Obama is the one that screwed it up and let it get out of hand after.
Obama and the constitution, he only uses the constitution when its in his favor other than that he don't care about the constitution , Our country has been so divided by this nutt that's how I feel anyway.
Well, if you knew anything about our President you would know he is for the middle class and poor of which you and I are. I'm not sure you know what the Republican Party stands for but it is far removed from anything that is in your best interests.
17 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/17/2016, 4:49 am
Guest
Guest
Vikingwoman wrote:cool1 wrote:Trump did not lie he just told the truth -- But didn't senior Bush tell his son not to do this , Because it would unstable the region . Obama is the one that screwed it up and let it get out of hand after.
Obama and the constitution, he only uses the constitution when its in his favor other than that he don't care about the constitution , Our country has been so divided by this nutt that's how I feel anyway.
Well, if you knew anything about our President you would know he is for the middle class and poor of which you and I are. I'm not sure you know what the Republican Party stands for but it is far removed from anything that is in your best interests.
Pfft... he bailed out banks... he bailed out corps... he bailed out wall st... and hired them to work for him.
When did he exactly bail out the middle class? Did he reduce their debt? Did he reduce what they owed the banks?
Why fool yourself?
18 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/17/2016, 8:08 am
Wordslinger
PkrBum wrote:Vikingwoman wrote:cool1 wrote:Trump did not lie he just told the truth -- But didn't senior Bush tell his son not to do this , Because it would unstable the region . Obama is the one that screwed it up and let it get out of hand after.
Obama and the constitution, he only uses the constitution when its in his favor other than that he don't care about the constitution , Our country has been so divided by this nutt that's how I feel anyway.
Well, if you knew anything about our President you would know he is for the middle class and poor of which you and I are. I'm not sure you know what the Republican Party stands for but it is far removed from anything that is in your best interests.
Pfft... he bailed out banks... he bailed out corps... he bailed out wall st... and hired them to work for him.
When did he exactly bail out the middle class? Did he reduce their debt? Did he reduce what they owed the banks?
Why fool yourself?
The fact that thousands of American factories have been relocated to third world countries by American corporations who now scream to eliminate the minimum wage, and the huge costs of war that Dubya handed Obama, were not Obama's fault.
But all that is irrelevant now, because Bernie will make sure the playing field is level. Go Bernie, Go!!
19 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/17/2016, 8:10 am
Wordslinger
The current score: 6 members of the forum believe George W. Bush should be tried, convicted of treason and imprisoned.
One member thinks Dubya is a good guy.
One member thinks Dubya is a good guy.
20 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/17/2016, 9:46 am
Sal
PkrBum wrote:Can we atleast get past the leftist talkingpoint that bush2 fabricated the intelligence that was common under clinton?
The issue is and was not the intelligence.
I think everyone agrees that the intelligence was not great.
The issue is what the respective administrations did with that intelligence.
The Clinton administration sought to contain the perceived threat and had Saddam completely hemmed in.
The Bush administration sought to manipulate and distort the intelligence into a false narrative, even to the extent of bringing so-called mainstream journalists into their inner fold (Judith Miller et al), to justify a full blown invasion and occupation, including an entire restructuring of the region.
See the difference?
I didn't think so.
21 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/17/2016, 9:49 am
Floridatexan
PkrBum wrote:Vikingwoman wrote:cool1 wrote:Trump did not lie he just told the truth -- But didn't senior Bush tell his son not to do this , Because it would unstable the region . Obama is the one that screwed it up and let it get out of hand after.
Obama and the constitution, he only uses the constitution when its in his favor other than that he don't care about the constitution , Our country has been so divided by this nutt that's how I feel anyway.
Well, if you knew anything about our President you would know he is for the middle class and poor of which you and I are. I'm not sure you know what the Republican Party stands for but it is far removed from anything that is in your best interests.
Pfft... he bailed out banks... he bailed out corps... he bailed out wall st... and hired them to work for him.
When did he exactly bail out the middle class? Did he reduce their debt? Did he reduce what they owed the banks?
Why fool yourself?
The bank (and insurance companies, and Wall Street) bailouts were passed in September, 2008, when George W Bush was still presiding. Incoming President Obama pushed the stimulus, which was too small (thanks to obstruction from Congress), but which provided some relief to ordinary taxpayers. Then there was HARP, which helped some people refinance their mortgage debt...but there was resistance to that as well. Bush had created a business climate that allowed white collar crime to flourish, while he and his cronies ignored the impending burst of the housing bubble.
22 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/17/2016, 9:57 am
Floridatexan
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/35236-focus-george-w-bush-who-mirrored-and-inflamed-public-passions-attacks-trump-for-it
George W. Bush, Who Mirrored and Inflamed Public Passions, Attacks Trump for It
By Juan Cole, Informed Comment
16 February 16
George W. Bush came out of political exile on Monday to be his brother JEB!’s surrogate in attacking Donald Trump.
W. allowed as how “These are tough times and I understand Americans are angry and frustrated, but we do not need someone in the Oval Office who mirrors and inflames our frustration. . .”
He also quoted his father that “labels are for soup cans,” suggesting that name-calling of one’s opponent is not useful political discourse. This from the man who had his swift-boaters wage a campaign of vilification against John Kerry in 2004. Is he annoyed that Trump zings his opponents directly rather than having capos do it for him?
Anyone who lived through the Bush years can only fall down laughing at the hypocrisy and impudence of this kind of talk coming from that man.
When al-Qaeda attacked the US on September 11, 2001, Bush’s response was to mirror and inflame public passions rather than to lead responsibly.
He declared a “war” on “terror” (he probably meant the tactic of terrorism rather than the emotion, but who knows? He isn’t an articulate man). French President Jacques Chirac pleaded with him not to use that diction, and to treat the attack as a criminal matter. Metaphysical wars like those announced on drugs and terrorism are unending and have a way of destroying our democratic freedoms. Now Gandhi-style civil disobedience is being treated as terrorism and government spied on everyone without so much as a warrant.
He so inflamed people’s frustration that he even created a set of color codes to tell us how afraid we should be on any particular day.
Then instead of going after al-Qaeda, the perpetrator, Bush wanted to invade Iraq. Al-Qaeda, as a little terrorist organization, wasn’t a big enough, a satisfying enough adversary. Bush mirrored this public frustration and inflamed the public with a constant barrage of fearmongering about Iraq. You’d have thought the ramshackle, wrecked little country of 25 million with no effective air force, driven into deep poverty by severe US/ UN sanctions, was just about to land at Galveston and march to Washington.
Bill Clinton’s terrorism czar, Richard Clarke, was kept on by Bush but demoted from his cabinet position. He remembers in September, 2001, how Bush demanded that he hang the attacks on Iraq’s dictator Saddam Hussein. Clarke was shocked. He realized that Bush was going to use the pretext of 9/11 finally to get the war on Iraq he had long dreamed of. (He told a biographer in the 1990s that if he ever became president he was going to “take out” Saddam Hussein).
According to the then British ambassador in Washington, even arch-hawk and Islamophobe, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, was alarmed that Bush might run off to Baghdad and leave London exposed to a still-vigorous al-Qaeda. He is said to have promised Bush his support on an Iraq War if only W. would please go after al-Qaeda in Afghanistan first.
Then Bush basically pulled the US military out of Afghanistan with the job half-done and ordered all the resources to be prepositioned in Kuwait for an invasion of Iraq.
Bush warned, and had his officials warn, that Iraq was close to completing a nuclear weapon. He said so in a speech in Dayton, OH, just before Congress was to vote on giving him war powers. We skeptics were dismissed. We don’t want the smoking gun, they said, to be a mushroom cloud. What does that even mean?
Bush’s CIA refused to sign off on some of his manipulative whoppers, like the false allegation that the African country of Niger had sold Iraq yellowcake uranium. Bush, determined to scare the people into a war, sourced the falsehood to British intelligence instead. Who knows if MI6 even thought the fraudulent documents were authentic. Bush and his people knew no decency in their constant falsehoods.
Iraq didn’t even have a nuclear program. It humiliated Bush by having destroying its chemical weapons in the 1990s, as the UN inspectors had demanded. Bush knew Iraq might not have nuclear capabilities, so he used the weasel phrase, “weapons of mass destruction” as a pretext for his splendid little war. He figured if the US occupation forces didn’t find a nuclear program, at least the US would find the old chemical weapons stores, and could declare them the WMD he had been warning about. Even after Bush brutally attacked a country that had not attacked the US, and militarily occupied it, and it became immediately obvious that there were no unconventional weapons there, Bush kept insisting that he was searching for the “WMD.” Finally in August, 2003, Zbig Brzezinski broke the spell and declared on national television that the ‘searching for WMD’ cover story was “increasingly ludicrous.”
And now this man who violated US treaty obligations as signatory to the UN Charter and launched a vicious, unprovoked war of aggression on a defenseless, wretched little country, some 500,000 of whose children had been killed by US sanctions– now this man who assiduously inflamed the passions of the American public and took dastardly advantage of their frustrations and fears after 9/11, has come back out to castigate others for committing the sins he himself perfected.
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George W. Bush, Who Mirrored and Inflamed Public Passions, Attacks Trump for It
By Juan Cole, Informed Comment
16 February 16
George W. Bush came out of political exile on Monday to be his brother JEB!’s surrogate in attacking Donald Trump.
W. allowed as how “These are tough times and I understand Americans are angry and frustrated, but we do not need someone in the Oval Office who mirrors and inflames our frustration. . .”
He also quoted his father that “labels are for soup cans,” suggesting that name-calling of one’s opponent is not useful political discourse. This from the man who had his swift-boaters wage a campaign of vilification against John Kerry in 2004. Is he annoyed that Trump zings his opponents directly rather than having capos do it for him?
Anyone who lived through the Bush years can only fall down laughing at the hypocrisy and impudence of this kind of talk coming from that man.
When al-Qaeda attacked the US on September 11, 2001, Bush’s response was to mirror and inflame public passions rather than to lead responsibly.
He declared a “war” on “terror” (he probably meant the tactic of terrorism rather than the emotion, but who knows? He isn’t an articulate man). French President Jacques Chirac pleaded with him not to use that diction, and to treat the attack as a criminal matter. Metaphysical wars like those announced on drugs and terrorism are unending and have a way of destroying our democratic freedoms. Now Gandhi-style civil disobedience is being treated as terrorism and government spied on everyone without so much as a warrant.
He so inflamed people’s frustration that he even created a set of color codes to tell us how afraid we should be on any particular day.
Then instead of going after al-Qaeda, the perpetrator, Bush wanted to invade Iraq. Al-Qaeda, as a little terrorist organization, wasn’t a big enough, a satisfying enough adversary. Bush mirrored this public frustration and inflamed the public with a constant barrage of fearmongering about Iraq. You’d have thought the ramshackle, wrecked little country of 25 million with no effective air force, driven into deep poverty by severe US/ UN sanctions, was just about to land at Galveston and march to Washington.
Bill Clinton’s terrorism czar, Richard Clarke, was kept on by Bush but demoted from his cabinet position. He remembers in September, 2001, how Bush demanded that he hang the attacks on Iraq’s dictator Saddam Hussein. Clarke was shocked. He realized that Bush was going to use the pretext of 9/11 finally to get the war on Iraq he had long dreamed of. (He told a biographer in the 1990s that if he ever became president he was going to “take out” Saddam Hussein).
According to the then British ambassador in Washington, even arch-hawk and Islamophobe, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, was alarmed that Bush might run off to Baghdad and leave London exposed to a still-vigorous al-Qaeda. He is said to have promised Bush his support on an Iraq War if only W. would please go after al-Qaeda in Afghanistan first.
Then Bush basically pulled the US military out of Afghanistan with the job half-done and ordered all the resources to be prepositioned in Kuwait for an invasion of Iraq.
Bush warned, and had his officials warn, that Iraq was close to completing a nuclear weapon. He said so in a speech in Dayton, OH, just before Congress was to vote on giving him war powers. We skeptics were dismissed. We don’t want the smoking gun, they said, to be a mushroom cloud. What does that even mean?
Bush’s CIA refused to sign off on some of his manipulative whoppers, like the false allegation that the African country of Niger had sold Iraq yellowcake uranium. Bush, determined to scare the people into a war, sourced the falsehood to British intelligence instead. Who knows if MI6 even thought the fraudulent documents were authentic. Bush and his people knew no decency in their constant falsehoods.
Iraq didn’t even have a nuclear program. It humiliated Bush by having destroying its chemical weapons in the 1990s, as the UN inspectors had demanded. Bush knew Iraq might not have nuclear capabilities, so he used the weasel phrase, “weapons of mass destruction” as a pretext for his splendid little war. He figured if the US occupation forces didn’t find a nuclear program, at least the US would find the old chemical weapons stores, and could declare them the WMD he had been warning about. Even after Bush brutally attacked a country that had not attacked the US, and militarily occupied it, and it became immediately obvious that there were no unconventional weapons there, Bush kept insisting that he was searching for the “WMD.” Finally in August, 2003, Zbig Brzezinski broke the spell and declared on national television that the ‘searching for WMD’ cover story was “increasingly ludicrous.”
And now this man who violated US treaty obligations as signatory to the UN Charter and launched a vicious, unprovoked war of aggression on a defenseless, wretched little country, some 500,000 of whose children had been killed by US sanctions– now this man who assiduously inflamed the passions of the American public and took dastardly advantage of their frustrations and fears after 9/11, has come back out to castigate others for committing the sins he himself perfected.
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23 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/17/2016, 1:35 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
Salinsky wrote:The Clinton administration sought to contain the perceived threat and had Saddam completely hemmed in.
The No-fly Zones were working, and were much less costly to maintain than a full-blown invasion and occupation.
The real power behind the impotent Bush (Cheney) was simply acting out the 2000 PNAC whitepaper. Cheney had to have been really happy that 9/11 occurred, because it even fulfilled this document's specification to strike fear within the American people with a 'New Pearl Harbor' so the invasion of Iraq could be justified.
24 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/17/2016, 3:51 pm
cool1
Vikingwoman wrote:cool1 wrote:Trump did not lie he just told the truth -- But didn't senior Bush tell his son not to do this , Because it would unstable the region . Obama is the one that screwed it up and let it get out of hand after.
Obama and the constitution, he only uses the constitution when its in his favor other than that he don't care about the constitution , Our country has been so divided by this nutt that's how I feel anyway.
Well, if you knew anything about our President you would know he is for the middle class and poor of which you and I are. I'm not sure you know what the Republican Party stands for but it is far removed from anything that is in your best interests.
I know enough not to trust him with security -hes a wussy-----I know not to trust him when he has pleasures dealing with the IRS--- I know enough about this punk you say that cares about me . He don't care about anyone but Obama period and his so called legacy -- huh he can go play with barking dog if he wants to. being poor does not mean people are stupid though , We can take care of ourselves we don't need Obama making decisions for us . But that's just my opinion I do respect the fact you feel hes been a wonderful President for you and your family
25 Re: Is Dubya guilty of having lied us into an invasion of Iraq? 2/17/2016, 4:04 pm
Sal
cool1 wrote:
I know enough not to trust him with security -hes a wussy-----
Yeah! ...
... just ask Bin Laden! ...
... oh, wait.
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