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16Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/13/2016, 2:19 am

RealLindaL



Floridatexan wrote:
With all due respect, Linda, Bernie Sanders is not a "socialist" per se.  He's an advocate of democratic socialism:

http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States. Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US.

[...]


With all due respect in return, Florida, Bernie should do his own explaining of his own label, but for some reason he really doesn't, not sure why.  Maybe it's on his website, but I'm talking about up front and visible delineation of his core philosophy, not just calling for "revolution" (which isn't going to happen, btw, and only just scares most people).

Look, I can foresee a return to the American Dream for everyone by way of certain major changes that don't have to amount to revolution and the death of our capitalist society -- the one that's brought us so very far but has gone astray.   Somehow returning substantial manufacturing enterprise back to our own shores (without giving up even more tax revenue) would be a substantial beginning if not an absolute necessity, coupled with campaign finance reform including, somehow, a reversal of the Citizens United decision.  That's for starters.

The bottom line is that, as likable as he is (and as enticing his call for substantial societal giveaways -- especially among the young and the disadvantaged), Bernie Sanders would almost assuredly fail in the general election. Even if he should somehow manage  to win the White House, we could only look forward to four more years of total and complete gridlock in Congress.

Yes, that could happen with Hillary, too, but at least there'd be a glimmer of hope there.  Not so with Bernie.   He may as well be black and considered Muslim for all the differently he'd be treated and respected from what Obama has been.  The word would go out on day one among Congressional conservatives, if not all Republicans:  Make sure he's a one term president, and let him accomplish nothing.  Zero, zip, nada.   This is not going to bring our nation back together.

17Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/13/2016, 2:57 am

Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:To all those who love Trump and condemn Sanders, I have just one question:

Truly, what's the difference between promising the people free in-state college tuition paid for by a currently non-existent tax on Wall Street speculation, and promising the people a huge beautiful wall all along the southern border, paid for by a currently non-existent commitment from Mexico??

One of those policies offers a benefit to society.  The other does not.

Indeed, the wall benefits all society by protecting our borders.

As it has done in other countries, free college tuition leads to far higher costs of colleges and lackadaisical student body. In the meantime our taxes will skyrocket, punishing the lower and middle-income households. After all, who do you expect to pay $19 TRILLION in additional taxes over the next years?

18Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/13/2016, 6:17 pm

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:Bernie as potus would speed the beginning of the end... and probably wind up with a wall being built anyway.

It would just be to keep people in... instead of out... lol. Just like east germany.

With a minimum wage of $15, free college and healthcare, a military funded for defense, we would have a burgeoning economy, better paying jobs through education, and literally no healthcare costs.

Feel free to leave, if you will. I'm sure as hell staying!

19Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/13/2016, 10:15 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

RealLindaL wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
With all due respect, Linda, Bernie Sanders is not a "socialist" per se.  He's an advocate of democratic socialism:

http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States. Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US.

[...]


With all due respect in return, Florida, Bernie should do his own explaining of his own label, but for some reason he really doesn't, not sure why.  Maybe it's on his website, but I'm talking about up front and visible delineation of his core philosophy, not just calling for "revolution" (which isn't going to happen, btw, and only just scares most people).

Look, I can foresee a return to the American Dream for everyone by way of certain major changes that don't have to amount to revolution and the death of our capitalist society -- the one that's brought us so very far but has gone astray.   Somehow returning substantial manufacturing enterprise back to our own shores (without giving up even more tax revenue) would be a substantial beginning if not an absolute necessity, coupled with campaign finance reform including, somehow, a reversal of the Citizens United decision.  That's for starters.

The bottom line is that, as likable as he is (and as enticing his call for substantial societal giveaways -- especially among the young and the disadvantaged), Bernie Sanders would almost assuredly fail in the general election. Even if he should somehow manage  to win the White House, we could only look forward to four more years of total and complete gridlock in Congress.

Yes, that could happen with Hillary, too, but at least there'd be a glimmer of hope there.  Not so with Bernie.   He may as well be black and considered Muslim for all the differently he'd be treated and respected from what Obama has been.  The word would go out on day one among Congressional conservatives, if not all Republicans:  Make sure he's a one term president, and let him accomplish nothing.  Zero, zip, nada.   This is not going to bring our nation back together.

At this point, a certain segment of our society is going to have to come to grips with our changing demographic. Just because we've had an obstructionist GOP for the last few years doesn't mean that we can't (finally) move into the 21st Century. We are a capitalist society, but we also are a democratic republic. This means to me that, as a society, we prevent the exploitation of the majority by a well connected and influential minority (translation: $$$$$$$$$). We can't allow our country to be bought and sold by the wealthy, and in particular by the wealthy who make their money from wars.

20Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/13/2016, 11:31 pm

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Bernie as potus would speed the beginning of the end... and probably wind up with a wall being built anyway.

It would just be to keep people in... instead of out... lol. Just like east germany.

With a minimum wage of $15, free college and healthcare, a military funded for defense, we would have a burgeoning economy, better paying jobs through education, and literally no healthcare costs.

Feel free to leave, if you will.  I'm sure as hell staying!

EVEN YOU can't believe that nonsense.

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21Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/14/2016, 6:17 am

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:Without pointing out your revision and malleable terms... what you describe in such glowing terms is mob rule.

Just look to spain, portugal, greece... etc. They've voted themselves largesse until their country is insolvent.

With that knowledge a wise person looks for a different course... and a lemming picks up speed toward the cliff.

At last! Pkrbum finally admits he believes the richest 1% should rule America --- he says that if we the people actually participate in government, it will be "MOB RULE."

How does your foot taste Mr. Pkrbum? LOL

22Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/14/2016, 6:21 am

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Bernie as potus would speed the beginning of the end... and probably wind up with a wall being built anyway.

It would just be to keep people in... instead of out... lol. Just like east germany.

With a minimum wage of $15, free college and healthcare, a military funded for defense, we would have a burgeoning economy, better paying jobs through education, and literally no healthcare costs.

Feel free to leave, if you will.  I'm sure as hell staying!

EVEN YOU can't believe that nonsense.  

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With assholes like you it's always about the money. How in hell do you put a price tag on happiness, satisfaction and fairness? There are numerous European countries that offer these benefits to their people and they are quite successful. Ask someone from Sweden, Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands ...

Death to Amerika Inc. -- Corporate control of our government through corrupt campaign financing.

23Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/14/2016, 9:37 am

Guest


Guest

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Without pointing out your revision and malleable terms... what you describe in such glowing terms is mob rule.

Just look to spain, portugal, greece... etc. They've voted themselves largesse until their country is insolvent.

With that knowledge a wise person looks for a different course... and a lemming picks up speed toward the cliff.

At last! Pkrbum finally admits he believes the richest 1% should rule America --- he says that if we the people actually participate in government, it will be "MOB RULE."

How does your foot taste Mr. Pkrbum? LOL

1% can't rule by mob... and you apparently need a refresher on exactly what a republic is and how it functions.

24Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/14/2016, 5:02 pm

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:Without pointing out your revision and malleable terms... what you describe in such glowing terms is mob rule.

Just look to spain, portugal, greece... etc. They've voted themselves largesse until their country is insolvent.

With that knowledge a wise person looks for a different course... and a lemming picks up speed toward the cliff.

Your statement above was in response to FloridaTexan's statement:
"Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States. Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US."

The people she mentioned VOTED for socialism and won. How in hell do you interpret democracy -- a government where the people govern themselves through voting -- as mob rule?

The opposite of your "mob rule" by the way, is tyranny. Once again, how does your foot taste? LOL

25Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/14/2016, 6:41 pm

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Bernie as potus would speed the beginning of the end... and probably wind up with a wall being built anyway.

It would just be to keep people in... instead of out... lol. Just like east germany.

With a minimum wage of $15, free college and healthcare, a military funded for defense, we would have a burgeoning economy, better paying jobs through education, and literally no healthcare costs.

Feel free to leave, if you will.  I'm sure as hell staying!

EVEN YOU can't believe that nonsense.  

Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 4541f6d1-5ba1-4d81-a403-9921e308d71e_zpscj0wxi2v

With assholes like you it's always about the money.  How in hell do you put a price tag on happiness, satisfaction and fairness?  There are numerous European countries that offer these benefits to their people and they are quite successful.  Ask someone from Sweden, Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands ...

Death to Amerika Inc. -- Corporate control of our government through corrupt campaign financing.

If we were as small and old as Denmark, we could probably prevent the commoners from experiencing freedom and liberty.

You misinterpret hopelessness and futility for success. As you know, the people of those countries are born into a specific class and know there is little they can do to improve their lot.

It is curious why you wish everyone to share misery.

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26Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/14/2016, 8:35 pm

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Bernie as potus would speed the beginning of the end... and probably wind up with a wall being built anyway.

It would just be to keep people in... instead of out... lol. Just like east germany.

With a minimum wage of $15, free college and healthcare, a military funded for defense, we would have a burgeoning economy, better paying jobs through education, and literally no healthcare costs.

Feel free to leave, if you will.  I'm sure as hell staying!

EVEN YOU can't believe that nonsense.  

Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 4541f6d1-5ba1-4d81-a403-9921e308d71e_zpscj0wxi2v

With assholes like you it's always about the money.  How in hell do you put a price tag on happiness, satisfaction and fairness?  There are numerous European countries that offer these benefits to their people and they are quite successful.  Ask someone from Sweden, Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands ...

Death to Amerika Inc. -- Corporate control of our government through corrupt campaign financing.

If we were as small and old as Denmark, we could probably prevent the commoners from experiencing freedom and liberty.

You misinterpret hopelessness and futility for success.  As you know, the people of those countries are born into a specific class and know there is little they can do to improve their lot.

It is curious why you wish everyone to share misery.  

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What I know is that the people of those countries are apparently happier and more satisfied with their lives than 99% of the frustrated, disenfranchised and depressed people who people Amerika Inc. Tell us, why are you so hell bent on preserving the rigged system that now prevails in the disunited States of America?

27Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/14/2016, 10:55 pm

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Bernie as potus would speed the beginning of the end... and probably wind up with a wall being built anyway.

It would just be to keep people in... instead of out... lol. Just like east germany.

With a minimum wage of $15, free college and healthcare, a military funded for defense, we would have a burgeoning economy, better paying jobs through education, and literally no healthcare costs.

Feel free to leave, if you will.  I'm sure as hell staying!

EVEN YOU can't believe that nonsense.  

Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 4541f6d1-5ba1-4d81-a403-9921e308d71e_zpscj0wxi2v

With assholes like you it's always about the money.  How in hell do you put a price tag on happiness, satisfaction and fairness?  There are numerous European countries that offer these benefits to their people and they are quite successful.  Ask someone from Sweden, Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands ...

Death to Amerika Inc. -- Corporate control of our government through corrupt campaign financing.

If we were as small and old as Denmark, we could probably prevent the commoners from experiencing freedom and liberty.

You misinterpret hopelessness and futility for success.  As you know, the people of those countries are born into a specific class and know there is little they can do to improve their lot.

It is curious why you wish everyone to share misery.  

Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 814d49c6-9879-47ec-b626-b8887d1f087a_zpslebibqhz


What I know is that the people of those countries are apparently happier and more satisfied with their lives than 99% of the frustrated, disenfranchised and depressed people who people Amerika Inc. Tell us, why are you so hell bent on preserving the rigged system that now prevails in the disunited States of America?

In your "humble" opinion.  

What's preventing you from moving to Sweden?

28Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 Empty Re: Trump v. Sanders 2/15/2016, 10:14 am

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Bernie as potus would speed the beginning of the end... and probably wind up with a wall being built anyway.

It would just be to keep people in... instead of out... lol. Just like east germany.

With a minimum wage of $15, free college and healthcare, a military funded for defense, we would have a burgeoning economy, better paying jobs through education, and literally no healthcare costs.

Feel free to leave, if you will.  I'm sure as hell staying!

EVEN YOU can't believe that nonsense.  

Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 4541f6d1-5ba1-4d81-a403-9921e308d71e_zpscj0wxi2v

With assholes like you it's always about the money.  How in hell do you put a price tag on happiness, satisfaction and fairness?  There are numerous European countries that offer these benefits to their people and they are quite successful.  Ask someone from Sweden, Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands ...

Death to Amerika Inc. -- Corporate control of our government through corrupt campaign financing.

If we were as small and old as Denmark, we could probably prevent the commoners from experiencing freedom and liberty.

You misinterpret hopelessness and futility for success.  As you know, the people of those countries are born into a specific class and know there is little they can do to improve their lot.

It is curious why you wish everyone to share misery.  

Trump v. Sanders - Page 2 814d49c6-9879-47ec-b626-b8887d1f087a_zpslebibqhz


What I know is that the people of those countries are apparently happier and more satisfied with their lives than 99% of the frustrated, disenfranchised and depressed people who people Amerika Inc. Tell us, why are you so hell bent on preserving the rigged system that now prevails in the disunited States of America?

In your "humble" opinion.  

What's preventing you from moving to Sweden?

Why run when I can stand and fight for my country? I like to fight, always have. And everything you stand for, disgusts me.

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