Now that we are in a de facto war with Russia….

2seaoat wrote:That horrible caramel candy again. Can't you post a picture of Geritol or something. lol

Bob, you were calling it cough medicine.....you were clueless as to the obvious humor and as such maybe you are right....you must understand Geritol.

Wordslinger wrote:SemiSane Markle warns:  "Russia wants to strengthen Baghdad government under Tehran's dominance strengthen Assad and Hezbollah then  reach a modus vivendi with ISIS.  They basically declare a truce with ISIS and then Russia can do on to do whatever they want."

Dear SemiSane:  Russia is not the Soviet Union anymore.  ISIS is Sunni, so Putin reaching a deal with ISIS is more than far fetched.  Even if he did as you say, so fucking what?  Russia would then have influence over Assad, but not over Tehran.  Why in hell should we care?  Other than Israel who in the Mideast is our true ally?  Don't say Saudi Arabia, they fund ISIS.

WE fucked up our influence in the entire Mideast, now it's Russia's turn.  God Bless'm.  We need to run the Mideast like we need incessant nausia .... LOL

Bob wrote:

Salinsky wrote:

Markle wrote:For over fifty years the US and other nations have kept Russia out of the Middle East and rightfully so.

That horrible caramel candy again.  Can't you post a picture of Geritol or something.  lol

2seaoat wrote:For over fifty years the US and other nations have kept Russia out of the Middle East and rightfully so.3

Nonsense.  You have no knowledge of history or historic foreign policy.  The Russians have had century old ties to Egypt going back to the Czar and connections with the Orthodox Church in Alexandria.  In the midst of the Cold war Russia was aligned with Egypt and Syria, and at one point the two nations played with consolidation(Syria and Egypt).   After the devastating defeat of the soviet missile system which was entrenched on the West side of the Suez, and Russian anti tank weapons which for the first five days of their preemptive attack on Israel in 1973 was clearly kicking the Israelis asz as they lost 150 tanks and could not have air supremacy because of the Soviet entrenchment of sams....then boom....America sends planes and tanks, and the Israelis pull off a brilliant wedge and bridge crossing which take out the Sams, and history changes.

Now the Americans were critical in forcing Israel to give back the Sinai and when the Soviets fought the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt, the beginning of the dismantling of the Soviet military ties with Egypt began and the locus of their zone of influence consolidated in Syria.  The only thing remarkable was two years ago I was correctly telling people we were not going to openly engage in war with Syria because we were already tacitly funding regime change, no the remarkable thing was it took two years for the Russians to stop the destruction of the Syrian nation state.  The Mic neocon nonsense is void of any historical or reality and counts on emotional power posing......like killing more people will change the realities.

Markle wrote:
What countries receive their oil from the Middle East?

2seaoat wrote:Idiocy.  I am listening to Bolton on Fox News saying we are letting Russia have influence in Syria.   A complete lack of historical knowledge by dumb as a post analyst which feed this idea that Russia's presence in Syria is new.  Again, since 1973 Russia/Soviet has had a military presence in Syria, and during the 1973 Middle East war threatened to use SOVIET military force in the war if the Israelis who finally turned defeat into victory did not stop any advances on the western Suez area.  We came to the brink of Nuclear war.  The Soviet Union was critical in Egypt and at one time actively backed the Syrian/Egyptian unified state.

I listened to nonsense two years ago how we were on the verge of war, and now how Putin has mastered America in Syria.   Complete and utter idiocy.  America, Saudi Arabia, and Israel were the forces which were supporting the opposition to the state of Syria.   Israel almost lost the 1973 war after the Egyptians had destroyed 150 Israeli tanks in the Sinai and the Golan Heights were completely vulnerable, and the Syrians had a clear path to the ocean through Israel, yet they stopped for 24 hours which was enough time for America to airlift tanks to Israel and the advance was stopped.   In the eighties Israel destroyed Lebanon.  In the 90s and after 911 the nation state of Iraq was destroyed, and nobody can see that we are still advancing the interests of the Saudis and Israel?  Putin is saying enough Israel and Saudi Arabia.  Stop interfering with the internal affairs of Syria.  The ironic thing is that 250k civilians would be alive today, but for the intervention of the Saudis, Israelis, and Americans in a civil war.  This is just MIC screaming that they are losing profits as the military is downsized and we leave the middle east......Bolton the Neocon supreme is creating the fiction that America is somehow challenged or less safe......again Israel and Saudi Arabia are not America.   Sorry our President has to listen to Bolton saying that Christian genocide is now going to happen.....sorry......the current regime has NEVER conducted any genocide on Christians and Russia would never tolerate the same.  Simple propaganda stirring up low IQ folks who are oblivious to history or zones of influence.

2seaoat wrote:Obama's FP rates an "F" in this part of the world. He is out of his league.


No, your sophomoric and ill informed analysis deserves an F.

1) Putin has won in this instance and two/three years ago when Obama drew his red lines that were never enforced.

Wrong.  Putin failed to act as the Soviets did in 1973 because Obama had taken the battle to Putin in Ukraine and carved off 30% of the former Soviet Union with the coup in Ukraine, and had applied Sanctions.  He had every right to do this two years ago upon the invitation of the legitimate head of Syria, but he chose to stay out of it until Syria as a nation was utterly destroyed and the million refugees were about to render the nation state of Syria moot and giving a victory to the Israelis and Saudis....of course with our fingerprints all over it.

2) Putin has opposite goals in Syria than we have. He wants Assad to survive and continue leading the country. Our goal was regime change. We aren't going to get that now and Putin will ensure it. Putin will wipe out the fighters we have been training/supporting and it will all be for nothing. What will Obama get out of this? Putin's middle finger and another schooling from the former KGB agent is what he will get. He schooled Obama on Assad, the chem weapons that are still in place, and now he will defeat the forces we were counting on to defeat Assad. Obama gets to piss in the wind.

Wrong again.  Since the Iranian deal, Obama has had enough with the obvious Israeli and Saudi Arabia attempts to trap the United States in the Middle East for our kids to spill blood and throw our wealth down the rabbit hole.  He won, and consistent with that is the retraction from regime change, and our goals are not much different than Russia.   We need to set up a stable no fly zone and get Syrians home again in a safe zone.  We are on the same page as Putin, but the final diplomacy will seal the deal.....none of this is by accident, and contrary to the propaganda, we have known for a month what Russia was going to do.

3) Russia gets a hardened and more permanent military presence in Syria.
Double Duh.....after 1973 the Soviets and now the Russians have ALWAYS had a presence in Syria.  Sorry your Neocon propaganda is as stupid as invading Iraq, and about as truthful.

Bob wrote:

Markle wrote:
What countries receive their oil from the Middle East?

Well he finally admits it.  We're not over there to give them democracy.
We're not over there because Saddam Hussein attacked us on 9/11.
We're not over there because Saddam Hussein was gonna drop nukes on us.
We're there for the oil.  
By golly I think we're making progress with Markle.  
Give that boy a drink of Geritol and the Werthers cough drops.  And throw in some Metamucil too.

2seaoat wrote:You're as much a fool as Chamberlain

So foolish.  You think Syria is Austria or Poland.  It is not.  America was absent from middle east conflict for our entire history until we became a shill for Israel.