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Crazy Talk at the Republican Debate

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/opinion/crazy-talk-at-the-republican-debate.html?mabReward=A4&moduleDetail=recommendations-1&action=click&contentCollection=Opinion&region=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&src=recg&pgtype=article

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
SEPT. 17, 2015

Eleven presidential candidates had three prime-time hours on the national stage on Wednesday to tell the American people why they should lead the country.

Nobody forced them to be there. They were there freely, armed with the best arguments they and their policy advisers had come up with, to make their cases as seasoned politicians, business leaders and medical professionals — the Republican Party’s “A-Team,” as one of them, Mike Huckabee, said at the outset.

And that, America, is frightening. Peel back the boasting and insults, the lies and exaggerations common to any presidential campaign. What remains is a collection of assertions so untrue, so bizarre, that they form a vision as surreal as the Ronald Reagan jet looming behind the candidates’ lecterns.

It felt at times as if the speakers were no longer living in a fact-based world where actions have consequences, programs take money and money has to come from somewhere. Where basic laws — like physics and the Constitution — constrain wishes. Where Congress and the public, allies and enemies, markets and militaries don’t just do what you want them to, just because you say they will.

Start with immigration, and the idea that any president could or should engineer the mass expulsion of 11 million unauthorized immigrants. Not one candidate said that a 21st-century trail of tears, deploying railroad cars, federal troops and police dogs on a continental scale, cannot happen and would be morally obscene. Ben Carson said, “If anybody knows how to do that, that I would be willing to listen.” They accepted the need to “control our borders” with a 2,000-mile fence. Even Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, once an immigration moderate, endorsed the fence. Mr. Carson actually suggested two fences, for double security, with a road in between. Do these people have to be sent to the Rio Grande Valley to see how ludicrous a border fence — over mountains, vast deserts, remote valleys and private property — would be? And it won’t solve the problem they are railing against, which doesn’t exist anyway. Illegal immigration has fallen essentially to zero.

On foreign affairs, there was a lot of talk about not talking with bad people. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas said his first act would be to tear up the Iran deal, throwing the nuclear race back to the ayatollahs and rupturing global alliances — but making a point! Carly Fiorina said: “What I would do, immediately, is begin rebuilding the Sixth Fleet, I would begin rebuilding the missile defense program in Poland, I would conduct regular, aggressive military exercises in the Baltic States. I’d probably send a few thousand more troops into Germany. Vladimir Putin would get the message.”

We get the message, and it’s scary.

Jeb Bush spun a particularly repellent fantasy. Speaking reverently of his brother the president, he said, “He kept us safe,” and invoked the carnage of 9/11. Wait, what? Did he mean George W. Bush, who was warned about the threat that Al Qaeda would attack? Who then invaded a non sequitur country, Iraq, over a nonexistent threat?

When the A-Team got around to science and health, many of them promised to help Americans by killing the program that gives millions of them medical insurance. One candidate said he felt sure that vaccines had caused an autism “epidemic.” The two doctors on the dais did not seriously challenge that persistent, dangerous myth.

Let loose by the CNN moderators, the candidates spun their visions freely. Despite an abundance of serious issues to talk about, nobody offered solutions to problems like child poverty, police and gun violence, racial segregation, educational gaps, competition in a global economy and crumbling infrastructure. On looming disasters (the changing climate) and more immediate ones (a possible government shutdown over, of all things, Planned Parenthood), the debate offered no reassurance that grown-ups were at the table, or even in the neighborhood.

But we did hear an idea to put Mother Teresa — Mother Teresa, a penniless nun — on our money. Think about that.

“We were discussing disease, we were discussing all sorts of things tonight, many of which will just be words. It will just pass on,” one candidate said, wrapping up. “I don’t want to say politicians, all talk, no action. But a lot of what we talked about is words and it will be forgotten very quickly.”

Which was the smartest thing Donald Trump has said all year, and an outcome America should dearly hope for.

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Nothing they have can be as bad as the last six years and eight months.

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Guest

We have seen the empty suit Obama focus on social engineering and taking the debt from 8 trillion to 18+ trillion. He has drawn red line after red line with our enemies only to erase them and withdraw leading us to the crisis in Syria where he has no plan at all except to beg Europe to take on the refugees and tell America we plan to bring 10k military aged males, capable of jihad, to our shores. Solve poverty? Is that why under Obama we have record numbers unemployed and have record numbers on public assistance? Yep- all on Obama's watch. He owns it and so do you Democraps

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Do you have anything to say that's actually on topic? BTW, your figures are wrong and your analysis is wrong.

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Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
Do you have anything to say that's actually on topic? BTW, your figures are wrong and your analysis is wrong.

This from the person that inserts bush2 into every criticism of current events... lol.

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by Obamasucks Today at 4:25 pm
Nothing they have can be as bad as the last six years and eight months.
by Obamasucks Today at 4:30 pm
We have seen the empty suit Obama focus on social engineering and taking the debt from 8 trillion to 18+ trillion. He has drawn red line after red line with our enemies only to erase them and withdraw leading us to the crisis in Syria where he has no plan at all except to beg Europe to take on the refugees and tell America we plan to bring 10k military aged males, capable of jihad, to our shores. Solve poverty? Is that why under Obama we have record numbers unemployed and have record numbers on public assistance? Yep- all on Obama's watch. He owns it and so do you Democraps
by Floridatexan Today at 4:55 pm

Do you have anything to say that's actually on topic? BTW, your figures are wrong and your analysis is wrong.
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Most figures are very close and for you to say the GOP has nothing to offer all the while thinking Obama has been spectacular is a farce.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Obamasucks wrote:by Obamasucks Today at 4:25 pm
Nothing they have can be as bad as the last six years and eight months.
by Obamasucks Today at 4:30 pm
We have seen the empty suit Obama focus on social engineering and taking the debt from 8 trillion to 18+ trillion. He has drawn red line after red line with our enemies only to erase them and withdraw leading us to the crisis in Syria where he has no plan at all except to beg Europe to take on the refugees and tell America we plan to bring 10k military aged males, capable of jihad, to our shores. Solve poverty? Is that why under Obama we have record numbers unemployed and have record numbers on public assistance? Yep- all on Obama's watch. He owns it and so do you Democraps
by Floridatexan Today at 4:55 pm

Do you have anything to say that's actually on topic? BTW, your figures are wrong and your analysis is wrong.
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Most figures are very close and for you to say the GOP has nothing to offer all the while thinking Obama has been spectacular is a farce.

No...your figures are incorrect, and I'm sorry, but you can't blame Obama for the Middle East.  Even Bush doesn't bear the brunt...our foreign policy there has fueled resentment and fear of the US for decades...but it was Bush who iced the cake...in this case, the fake uranium cake...and the depleted uranium weapons, which are still causing birth defects and will be found to have caused chronic illness in our soldiers.  You also can't blame Obama for the Bush depression.  You should be giving him credit for reversing the trend and keeping the ship off the rocks, but I believe you're incapable of that.

One more thing...I didn't write it; the NYT Editorial Board wrote it.



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Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PkrBum wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Do you have anything to say that's actually on topic?  BTW, your figures are wrong and your analysis is wrong.

This from the person that inserts bush2 into every criticism of current events... lol.

George W Bush was the last President before the current one, and his tenure was a spectacular disaster, the repercussions of which are still being felt. Also, if you haven't noticed, his brother is running.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Floridatexan wrote:
Do you have anything to say that's actually on topic?  BTW, your figures are wrong and your analysis is wrong.

He's a bonafide idiot. That was a good editorial. Wednesday's debate provided further compelling evidence why we need to make the Republicans lose in 2016.

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Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Do you have anything to say that's actually on topic?  BTW, your figures are wrong and your analysis is wrong.

He's a bonafide idiot. That was a good editorial. Wednesday's debate provided further compelling evidence why we need to make the Republicans lose in 2016.

How do you "make" Republicans lose in 2016 with Hillary Clinton and why? Why do you want things worse than they are today after six and a half years of semi-retired President Obama?

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:Why do you want things worse than they are today after six and a half years of semi-retired President Obama?

I am waiting for the GOP hopefuls to move past defunding Planned Parenthood and start elucidating what they will do to actually run the country. All we have heard from the debaters is empty rhetoric designed to appeal to the wingnut base. We have heard nothing with any substance from any of them. They are a flock of circus clowns. PT Barnum should hire all of them.

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Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Markle wrote:Why do you want things worse than they are today after six and a half years of semi-retired President Obama?

I am waiting for the GOP hopefuls to move past defunding Planned Parenthood and start elucidating what they will do to actually run the country. All we have heard from the debaters is empty rhetoric designed to appeal to the wingnut base. We have heard nothing with any substance from any of them. They are a flock of circus clowns. PT Barnum should hire all of them.

Poor ZVUGTUBM, perhaps you're not aware that there is a difference between CONGRESS and the PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES.

Correctly, Congress is working to defund the abortion mill, Planned Parenthood for their murder of infants and selling of their body parts.

As you know, the candidates made some excellent remarks on what they would do differently than semi-retired President Obama.

So...once again...ZVUGTUBM is eager to prove he has...

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knothead

knothead

Markle wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Do you have anything to say that's actually on topic?  BTW, your figures are wrong and your analysis is wrong.

He's a bonafide idiot. That was a good editorial. Wednesday's debate provided further compelling evidence why we need to make the Republicans lose in 2016.

How do you "make" Republicans lose in 2016 with Hillary Clinton and why?  Why do you want things worse than they are today after six and a half years of semi-retired President Obama?

Great question! All the Dems need do is simply watch the show because they as a group do not have a winning message that Americans will support so let them be who they are . . . . . . problem solved.

2seaoat



How do you "make" Republicans lose in 2016 with Hillary Clinton

Structurally, the republicans probably have less than a 1 in 4 chance of winning the presidency. A Kasich/Rubio ticket could change the structural advantages the Democrats have. Ohio and Florida in Republican column will be a dead heat. Kusich can deliver Ohio. Rubio can deliver Florida. Anybody else is not going to win the swing states which are growing to the Democrats. Any reasonable turn out and the Democrats win with Hillary.

Markle

Markle

knothead wrote:
Markle wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Do you have anything to say that's actually on topic?  BTW, your figures are wrong and your analysis is wrong.

He's a bonafide idiot. That was a good editorial. Wednesday's debate provided further compelling evidence why we need to make the Republicans lose in 2016.

How do you "make" Republicans lose in 2016 with Hillary Clinton and why?  Why do you want things worse than they are today after six and a half years of semi-retired President Obama?

Great question! All the Dems need do is simply watch the show because they as a group do not have a winning message that Americans will support so let them be who they are . . . . . . problem solved.

Yes, keep telling yourself!

A new poll from Quinnipiac University has some concerning answers about what voters think of 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

When prompted with the opened-ended question of “what is the first word that comes to mind when you think of Hillary Clinton?” respondents answered:
•Liar (178 times)
•Dishonest (123 times)
•Untrustworthy (93 times)


http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404783-voters-say-first-word-comes-mind-hearing-hillary-clinton-answers-shocking/

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The turnout will be the problem... old white career socialist and corrupt politicians won't motivate the masses.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Markle wrote:Why do you want things worse than they are today after six and a half years of semi-retired President Obama?

I am waiting for the GOP hopefuls to move past defunding Planned Parenthood and start elucidating what they will do to actually run the country. All we have heard from the debaters is empty rhetoric designed to appeal to the wingnut base. We have heard nothing with any substance from any of them. They are a flock of circus clowns. PT Barnum should hire all of them.

Here's the GOP plan:

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/32482-house-passes-bills-to-defund-planned-parenthood-amid-shutdown-threats

House Passes Bills to Defund Planned Parenthood Amid Shutdown Threats

By Lauren Gambino, Guardian UK
19 September 15


One measure would defund the organization for a year while Congress investigates ‘sting’ videos as Obama promises veto if legislation reaches his desk

"Days away from a politically disastrous government shutdown, the House of Representatives passed two abortion-related bills in a move by party leadership to quell conservative hardliners who have threatened to defund Planned Parenthood.

The House voted, largely along party lines, to send the bills to the Senate, where Democrats there have enough votes to block the measures. President Barack Obama, a strong supporter of the women’s health program, has threatened to veto the legislation if it reaches his desk.

Yet emboldened by a series of undercover videos that allege Planned Parenthood profited from the sale of aborted fetal body parts, a claim the organization vehemently denies, Republicans are prepared to battle ahead – some vowing to do so at any cost.

One measure would strip federal funds from Planned Parenthood for one year while Congress investigates the videos’ unsubstantiated claims. The second would add criminal penalties to punish doctors who fail to provide medical care to babies born alive during abortion procedures, which Democrats say is redundant as such an act is punishable under current law.

Before approving the measures on Friday, representatives on both sides of the political divide engaged in a theatrical debate, incorporating gruesome photographs and dramatic testimony to hammer their message..."


So...de facto destruction of Planned Parenthood while an "investigation" proceeds. That's why I couldn't vote for any of these clowns...and why women of childbearing age will avoid the GOP in droves.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PkrBum wrote:The turnout will be the problem... old white career socialist and corrupt politicians won't motivate the masses.

I plan to be extremely active in this election.

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Good luck: http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84425139/

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