Hillary Clinton staffer invokes 5th Amendment right- can't be good for Hilz

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Obamasucks wrote:Yes, just ignore all those felonious acts as if they never happened huh?

It would be no different from the felonious acts committed by the last administration.... Where is your beefing there? Oh, I forgot you are a partisan pissant, oriented toward the extreme right wing branch of the Republican Party. Rage only points in one direction with you.

Markle wrote:No felonious acts in the past administration and since this one is so bad, all you can do is make a feeble attempt to divert attention.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Markle wrote:No felonious acts in the past administration and since this one is so bad, all you can do is make a feeble attempt to divert attention.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=the+crimes+of+george+w.+bush

2seaoat wrote:If nothing illegal and/or irregular took place... there would be no reason to assert the fifth.


No, quite the contrary. It could very well be that our constitutional privilege protected by the bill of rights may simply protect a person from being part of a witch hunt which has on its dream list self incriminating statements which have nothing to do with a crime. My guess is that an IT person would be absolutely ridiculed by technical questions which would make him look stupid, and most IT people who put in a system know that no system is perfect or entirely secure. The right to not be compelled to self incrimination is a fundamental right which has little to do with guilt of a crime, but more to do with competent advice of counsel. As usual.....nothing.

2seaoat wrote:Stupid cannot be fixed.  When the crazies were going to put Bush in jail, I posted on the PNJ forum that he was not guilty of crimes and was called a neocon.  When I posted here that President Obama was not guilty of crimes, I am called a communist.   Now when I say that future President Hillary Clinton has committed no crimes.......I am simply called right.

Gosh do you think I was lucky calling out that Brady would play?  yep.....I am a lucky man.

2seaoat wrote:When the crazies were going to put Bush in jail, I posted on the PNJ forum that he was not guilty of crimes and was called a neocon.

Joanimaroni wrote:You need to get your head out of Bush's butt. You are all up in it. Move on.

2seaoat wrote:If nothing illegal and/or irregular took place... there would be no reason to assert the fifth.


No, quite the contrary.  It could very well be that our constitutional privilege protected by the bill of rights may simply protect a person from being part of a witch hunt which has on its dream list self incriminating statements which have nothing to do with a crime.  My guess is that an IT person would be absolutely ridiculed by technical questions which would make him look stupid, and most IT people who put in a system know that no system is perfect or entirely secure.  The right to not be compelled to self incrimination is a fundamental right which has little to do with guilt of a crime, but more to do with competent advice of counsel.   As usual.....nothing.

Floridatexan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:When the crazies were going to put Bush in jail, I posted on the PNJ forum that he was not guilty of crimes and was called a neocon.

You were wrong about Bush...as wrong as it gets.  How you could have ignored all this is beyond belief:

Dennis J. Kucinich of Ohio
In the United States House of Representatives
Monday, June 9th, 2008
A Resolution

Resolved, that President George W. Bush be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:

Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against President George W. Bush for high crimes and misdemeanors.

In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has committed the following abuses of power.

Article I
Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign to Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq.

Article II
Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of Aggression.

Article III
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War.

Article IV
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States.

Article V
Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression.

Article VI
Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114.

Article VII
Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War.

Article VIII
Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter.

Article IX
Failing to Provide Troops With Body Armor and Vehicle Armor.

Article X
Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes.

Article XI
Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq.

Article XII
Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation's Natural Resources.

Article XIIII
Creating a Secret Task Force to Develop Energy and Military Policies With Respect to Iraq and Other Countries.

Article XIV
Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Article XV
Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq.

Article XVI
Reckless Misspending and Waste of U.S. Tax Dollars in Connection With Iraq and US Contractors.

Article XVII
Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign Captives.

Article XVIII
Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy.

Article XIX
Rendition: Kidnapping People and Taking Them Against Their Will to "Black Sites" Located in Other Nations, Including Nations Known to Practice Torture.

Article XX
Imprisoning Children.

Article XXI
Misleading Congress and the American People About Threats from Iran, and Supporting Terrorist Organizations Within Iran, With the Goal of Overthrowing the Iranian Government.

Article XXII
Creating Secret Laws.

Article XXIII
Violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.

Article XXIV
Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment.

Article XXV
Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens.

Article XXVI
Announcing the Intent to Violate Laws with Signing Statements.

Article XXVII
Failing to Comply with Congressional Subpoenas and Instructing Former Employees Not to Comply.

Article XXVIII
Tampering with Free and Fair Elections, Corruption of the Administration of Justice.

Article XXIX
Conspiracy to Violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Article XXX
Misleading Congress and the American People in an Attempt to Destroy Medicare.

Article XXXI
Katrina: Failure to Plan for the Predicted Disaster of Hurricane Katrina, Failure to Respond to a Civil Emergency.

Article XXXII
Misleading Congress and the American People, Systematically Undermining Efforts to Address Global Climate Change.

Article XXXIII
Repeatedly Ignored and Failed to Respond to High Level Intelligence Warnings of Planned Terrorist Attacks in the US, Prior to 911.

Article XXXIV
Obstruction of the Investigation into the Attacks of September 11, 2001.

Article XXXV
Endangering the Health of 911 First Responders.

http://warisacrime.org/busharticles

PkrBum wrote:He's just a lowly IT dude... highly unlikely he did any wrong doing on his own.

He obviously was ordered to do something. I think it will come out.

2seaoat wrote:All that will be vital.

Do you understand that he will not be testifying in front of any congressional committee?  Is this flying over your head?

I just watched Hillary's interview with Andrea Mitchell.  Great interview.  She is not slightly concerned about this and looks forward to her testimony with the House committee.  She pretty much confirmed what I have been saying.  She does not meet the elements required by the government to charge her with a crime.   Was it bad practices.......she admitted as much.  End of story, but heck.....these endless threads like the endless threads that President Obama was going to be charged with crimes and impeached.....priceless.

Markle wrote:My guess is that it is a long time before she is supposed to testify.  The Clinton machine will come up with some reason for her to not testify.

She doesn't want those pesky perjury charges like her husband.

Salinsky wrote:

Markle wrote:My guess is that it is a long time before she is supposed to testify.  The Clinton machine will come up with some reason for her to not testify.

She doesn't want those pesky perjury charges like her husband.

Saved for posterity.

2seaoat wrote:My guess is that it is a long time before she is supposed to testify.  The Clinton machine will come up with some reason for her to not testify.

She doesn't want those pesky perjury charges like her husband.


If you think Hillary will be stupid enough to commit perjury, and Gomer is going to be sly enough to set a trap.....guess again.....  to secure a perjury conviction, the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the witness knew his statement was false.  You will see the usual testimony where a person uses key words to avoid the trap.  She wants to testify today, but will do it in October, a year before the election.  If you think the Clinton Machine wants to delay this, and avoid the same you are truly stunted.  She will deal with a clown who will tell her at least three times......You are a lawyer Secretary Clinton, and as you know so am I and should we not understand that the grass grows in front of a courthouse......this guy.....the great man hope, to ground up and spit out the woman.....is going to look successful in his questions to every low IQ person who grabs his theatrics, but after the hearing, there will be nothing substantive other than political theater and a bad haircut.