Memphis to Dig Up Confederate Traitor's Bones - Toss Them Into the Sea

List of US Presidents who at one time or other owned slaves:
1) George Washington, 1st President, Virginia
2) Thomas Jefferson, 3rd, Virginia
3) James Madison, 4th, Virginia
4) James Monroe, 5th, Virginia
5) Andrew Jackson, 7th, South Carolina/Tennessee
6) Martin Van Buren, 8th, New York
7) William Henry Harrison, 9th, Virginia
8 ) John Tyler, 10th, Virginia
9) James K. Polk, 11th, North Carolina
10) Zachary Taylor, 12th, Virginia
* ) James Buchanan, 15th, Pennsylvania
11) Andrew Johnson, 17th, North Carolina
12) Ulysses S. Grant, 18th, Ohio

Whew!   We gotta lot of statue & monument tearing down to do.   Better call ISIS, er, I mean ... the Progressives.

Hey don't forget our own Muslim President's religion supports slavery and that there are millions of slaves in Muslim countries...

Ali al-Ahmed, a leading Saudi scholar and the director of the Institute for Gulf Affairs, put it bluntly in Foreign Policy magazine. "Blacks, who make up around 10 percent of the population, are banned from judgeships -- as are women and Muslims who observe a different version of the faith -- because the monarchy's religious tradition still views blacks as slaves, other Muslims as heretics, and women as half human. There is only one word to describe such a system: Apartheid."

While Saudi money goes to sponsor propaganda that accuses Israel of Apartheid for fighting Saudi-backed terrorist groups, the brutal kingdom continues an ancient policy of slavery and repression.

And in North Africa, African migrants look to the West to escape racism in lands colonized by Islam. “Arabs hate black people. And that is not from today, it is in their blood,” a young African man named Aboubakr says. “Blacks have no rights here.”

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/015-slavery.htm

Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Qur'an (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, then sex slavery must be very important to him.

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."

Qur'an (24:32) - "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness.

ETC......


we need to tear down any mosques in the US.....

Again......he should have been executed for Fort Pillow.  It was not by accident that this monster was the first grand dragon of the KKK.....ISIS tactics and hate under the guise of a civilized leader.......he was an animal who should have been put down.....and all the dog whistlers who try to make this ISIS leader into a hero.....execution would have been too good.....let him spend six months at Andersonville.......monsters.  Our terrorists might make ISIS blush.

In 'The Slave Trade Today', Sean O'Callaghan toured the Mideast and Africa and covertly visited many slave markets. Since Islam allows for slavery and slave trading, he was able to see much of the real world of Islamic slavery. Remember O'Callaghan saw this less than 40 years ago. This probably still continues today, albeit more discreetly.


In Djibouti he writes:

"Ten boys were ranged in a circle on the dais (used to display the slaves), their buttocks toward us. They were all naked, and I saw with horror that five had been castrated. The (slave dealer) said that usually 10% of the boys are castrated, being purchased by Saudi homosexuals, or by Yemenis, who own harems, as guards." p 75

"Why had the girls (female slaves who had just been sold) had accepted their fate without a murmur, the boys howled and cried?" "Simple" said the Somali, we tell the girls from a very early age - 7 or 8 that they are made for love, at age NINE we let them practice with each other, and a year later with the boys".

In Aden he writes:

"The Yemeni told me that the girls (slave girls used as prostitutes) were encouraged to have children, especially by white men. For if a slave girl had a white child, she was given a bonus of 20 pounds when the child was taken from her". As you can see, the child of a slave remained a slave, the owner could sell the child and make money. This sale is allowable under Islamic law.

"Only one offense was severely punished; attempting to escape from the harem... The wretched girl was stripped and spread eagle in the courtyard...punishment was administer by a eunuch, a huge powerful Negro who seemed to enjoy his task. 70 lashes were given."

"Because of this (the fact that eunuchs can perform sexually), the eunuch often has his penis removed as well as his testicles"! This is also legal under Islamic law, since it is preparing the slave for service.


http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

2seaoat wrote:Again......he should have been executed for Fort Pillow.  It was not by accident that this monster was the first grand dragon of the KKK.....ISIS tactics and hate under the guise of a civilized leader.......he was an animal who should have been put down.....and all the dog whistlers who try to make this ISIS leader into a hero.....execution would have been too good.....let him spend six months at Andersonville.......monsters.  Our terrorists might make ISIS blush.

Well, you've already proved you know nothing of history, so .....


(oh, and NB Forrest was not, in fact, the first leader of the KKK as often erroneously reported.   The first Grand Wizard of the KKK was former Confederate General George W. Gordon ... Forrest never sought & didn't even know till after the fact they elected him to the position of Grand Wizard a few years after it's formation.   Forrest was, however, responsible for disbanding the organization just a few years later.)

.....  When the war started, Forrest asked 45 of his slaves (which he considered as servants) to join him, offering them their freedom after the war, no matter how it turned out. They all joined him and although they had numerous opportunities to desert him, 44 stayed by his side until the end of the war. In fact, part of his special command escort later called “the green berets” (ironic isn’t it), consisted of the most elite and best soldiers available, and among them were eight black men. (Surely you are aware that nearly 100,000 black men fought for the Confederacy?).  ...

....The only black mark on his war record was alleged to be the Fort Pillow incident, where he was accused of killing unarmed black soldiers. History completely vindicates him of this unfair charge. Although some incidents did occur at Fort Pillow, they happened before Forrest arrived and he was absolutely furious. The action that triggered those incidents was the cowardly running away of numerous white Union soldiers who left the black Union soldiers to defend the fort. The tenacity and pride of the black soldiers (with their white officers) would not allow them to surrender which made the men of Colonel Chalmer’s unit mad, resulting in some depredations.

.....Immediately after the war, Bedford Forrest returned home with the ‘free’ black men who fought with him. Sixty-five black troopers were with the General when he surrendered his command in May 1865. Forrest said of these black soldiers, “No finer Confederates ever fought.”

... Many people ignorant of history say that Bedford was the founder of the KKK. The Klan had already been in existence for a year and a half when he was asked to assume the leadership because the people looked up to him as their hero and proven leader.

The KKK of the late 1860’s bears no resemblance to the thugs and racists of the new Klan formed at the turn of the century. The Klan Forrest rode with was to fight against the Yankee scalawags and carpetbaggers who were raping the south after the war. US. Army occupation forces committed innumerable atrocities, which today would certainly be classified as international war crimes, much of it against the free blacks. General Forrest joined a citizen militia then called the Klan to protect the citizens of the South, black and white alike, from these vicious atrocities.

http://patch.com/california/malibu/defense-maligned-confederate-general-nathan-bedford-forrest-1821-1877-0

Sal wrote:Revisionist history that helped enable a century of Jim Crowe and American apartheid.

Fuck your history and your heritage.

Take down every last memorial to those treasonous losers that is on public grounds, toss their bones into the nearest dump, and sell off the statues as scrap metal or bust them into gravel.

The "revisionist history" is that being spouted by progressives like yourself.  I know history.   You've not been able to dispute a single fact I've put forth thus far in this thread.   Face it ... you & SeaOat are just out of you're league on this one. You got nothing! 

But seems facts are not so important to progressives?  It's all about feelings, hate, and vilification to you guys.  (I understand though, it makes you feel good about yourselves, don't it? And that's whats important ... feeling better about yourself. Right?)

Sal wrote:

I think people are just sick of seeing symbols of a treasonous insurrection aimed at keeping human beings enslaved displayed on public grounds.

I'm unaware of an effort to remove the names of anyone who ever owned a slave.

If you're embarking on such an endeavor, I wish you godspeed.

So in other words, the fact that some of those old redneck southern politicians were actually members of the ku klux klan is not what really matters to you. All that matters to you is when they identify with some symbol.
Boy, you are a deep thinker. lol

By the way,  the confederate flag is very dear to my heart so I'm compelled to defend it.
Not because of when I see it on the back window of pickups with gun racks and rednecks riding in the cabs,  usually with Bear Bryant stickers on the windshield.  And no seeing that doesn't make me want to own slaves,  Sal.  The once or twice in my life I hired an employee was enough for me.  I wouldn't want a slave if the slave paid me.

The flag is dear to my heart because it's the symbol associated with my Gods.  The same Gods who by the way played a VERY big role in getting Jimmy Carter elected.  This is the sacred sign inside my home sanctuary.  Pay particular attention to the flag...

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It's now pretty widely accepted among music historians that Duane and Gregg Allman invented Southern Rock.
Or at least they invented the sound (The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame labels them "the principal architects
of Southern Rock").
And that Phil Walden of Capricorn Records in Macon GA packaged and sold it.
But there's far more to the story than that. And Pensacola is at the heart of it.

Duane and Gregg Allman began their musical careers in Daytona Beach. They kicked around Daytona as The Escorts.
And after changing the name of The Escorts to The Allman Joys in 1965,  they played their first gig outside of Daytona Beach
in Mobile at a night club called The Stork Club.

In March of 1966,  The Allman Joys came to Pensacola and landed a job as the house band at Joe Royal's Sahara
Club in Warrington.  They moved in to the Evergreen Motel in Brownsville.

Up until this point,  the Allmans had always been just another garage band playing covers of other' artists'
hits.
“I wrote that song ("Melissa") in a place called the Evergreen Motel in Pensacola, Florida,” Gregg
Allman recalls in an interview he gave a San Luis Obispo, CA newspaper in 2006.
"By that time I got so sick of playing other people’s material that I just sat down and said, ‘Okay, here
we go. One, two, three – we’re going to try to write songs.’ 200 songs later – after much garbage to take
out – I wrote this song called ‘Melissa.’".

He finished the song but stumbled on the name of the love interest in the song (which would also be the song title).
He had all but settled on on the name Delilah,  but then as he recalls in his autobiography "My Cross to Bear"...

"It was my turn to get the coffee and juice for everyone, and I went to this twenty-four-hour grocery store,
one of the few in town. There were two people at the cash registers, but only one other customer
besides myself. She was an older Spanish lady, wearing the colorful shawls, with her hair all
stacked up on her head. And she had what seemed to be her granddaughter with her, who was at
the age when kids discover they have legs that will run. She was jumping and dancing; she looked like a
little puppet. I went around getting my stuff, and at one point she was the next aisle over, and I
heard her little feet run all the way down the aisle. And the woman said, "No, wait, Melissa. Come back—don’t
run away, Melissa!" I went, "Sweet Melissa." I could've gone over there and kissed that woman. As a matter,
of fact, we came down and met each other at the end of the aisle, and I looked at her and said, "Thank you,
so much." She probably went straight home and said, "I met a crazy man at the fucking grocery."

"Melissa", later became a staple of The Allman Brothers Band and a Southern Rock classic and Duane Allman's
"favorite song".  Gregg performed it at Duane's funeral.

So,  what has been left out of the history of Southern Rock,  is that it's "architects" did not first begin to
write their original compositions in Daytona,  or Muscle Shoals,  or Macon.
That happened right here in Pensacola at this fleabag motel located at 3801 Mobile Hgwy.

The Allman Joys became a fixture on the local Pensacola music scene in 1966 and 1967. Many locals have
fond memories of hearing them perform at The Place,  a teenage dance club adjacent to the Pensacola
Beach Casino.

It was also during this time that another southern garage band from Dothan was also a fixture on
the local music scene.  The Candymen played the same local venues as the Allmans,  including The Sahara
Club and The Place.  They became Roy Orbison's touring band and later morphed into The
Atlanta Rhythm Section.
Robert Nix of The Candymen:  "I have lots of great memories of Duane (in Pensacola). When he had
The Allmen Joys, we were The Candymen... I had never experienced anything like Duane Allman and haven't since".

But more importantly,  another southern garage band found it's way to Pensacola during these years.  This one
called itself "The 5-Menits".

The "5 Men-its" started as a college band in 1964 in Tuscaloosa. The members of this band,  Paul Hornsby,
Johnny Sandlin, Pete Carr and Eddie Hinton would all later become key figures in the history of Southern Rock.
Paul Hornsby would produce gold and platinum records at Capricorn in Macon for The Marshall Tucker band and
Charlie Daniels among many others.  And all four would became session players at FAME Studios in Muscle Shoals.

As Paul Hornsby recalls:  "We had put something together to go down and play in
Panama City for the summer. We couldn't find a gig in Panama City so we went over to Pensacola. To make
a long story short, we got a job playing at the Pensacola Beach Casino for the summer".

The following year, 1966,  when The Allman Joys were becoming a fixture in Pensacola,  Hornsby
recalls: "We played that summer back in Pensacola Beach at the Spanish Village".

It was at this venue where The Allman Joys and The 5 Menits met for the first time.  This is
a concert poster for that gig...

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At some point after this gig ended,  Paul Hornsby recalls:  "Duane Allman called me up and
asked "Paul how would you like to have me and Gregg in your band? Well, it really wasn't "my" band, but I
thought it over 30 or 40 seconds and said "Why, hell yes!"

The two bands,  The Allman Joys,  and 5-Menits,  merged.  For a short while this reconfigured band continued
to use the name The Allman Joys and sometimes referred to themselves as "The Allman Act".  But then settled on the name
The Hour Glass.

The Hour Glass,  born after a meeting of musicians at Pensacola Beach (not Daytona or Muscle Shoals or Macon),
is the musical group which gives us the first glimpse of the sound which would develop into what would become The
ABB sound and the genesis of Southern Rock.
But this sound was never heard on the albums the Hour Glass would record because Liberty Records
in California had no interest in recording it.  As the wikipedia page for Hour Glass puts it:  "Onstage, the group rarely
performed tracks from the album, preferring original material by Gregg Allman..."

But this is also when Duane and Gregg Allman were honing and perfecting the blues/jazz/rock inspired "southern rock" sound which they
eventually became world famous for.

This B.B. King tribute medley was one of the three tracks The Hour Glass cut at Muscle Shoals on April 22, 1968, without
their record label's (Liberty Records) consent. This features Duane on lead guitar, Gregg on vocals and keyboards,
Pete Carr on bass, and Johnny Sandlin on drums. When they gave the tapes to Liberty Records, the record
producer said that they were "terrible and useless".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8_XDckj3mA

Only when the Allmans brought this music back to the South could it be recorded and appreciated.  And
that's why we call it Southern Rock.  But now you know the whole story and Pensacola's place in it's history.

All that matters to you is when they identify with some symbol.
Boy, you are a deep thinker. lol

Bob,
Read the Fort Pillow massacre that I provided a link.  Now think of ISIS and how they deal with their enemy.  They deny them humanity.  This man was a terrorist, and all the revisionist history in the world cannot hide the horrors of what was done to Union Soldiers who happened to be black.

Like Fort Pillow was an exception:
On December 24, 1862, Confederate President Jefferson Davis issued orders to the Confederate Army "that all negro slaves captured in arms be at once delivered over to the executive authorities of the respective States to which they belong, to be dealt with according to the law of said States." A joint resolution adopted by the Confederate Congress and signed by Mr. Davis on May 1, 1863, adjusted this policy to provide that all "negroes or mulattoes, slave or free, taken in arms should be turned over to the authorities in the state in which they were captured and that their officers would be tried by Confederate military tribunals for inciting insurrection and be subject, at the discretion of the court and the president, to the death penalty."

ISIS.......nothing more and less and they have been here for 150 years.....murdering people in a house of worship, putting their evil ISIS flag over state property......and still recruiting foreign fighters to destroy America.

Facts
he Mississippi legislature on November 22, 1865, passed “An Act to regulate the relation of master and apprentice, as relates to freedmen, free negroes, and mulattoes.” Under the law, sheriffs, justices of the peace, and other county civil officers were authorized and required to identify all minor black children in their jurisdictions who were orphans or whose parents could not properly care for them. Once identified, the local probate court was required to “apprentice” black children to white “masters or mistresses” until age 18 for girls and age 21 for boys. Though not required to pay a wage to the children, whites were required to pay a fee to the county for the apprentice arrangement and the children’s former owners were to be given preference. The law purportedly required white “masters” to provide their apprentices with education, medical care, food, and clothing but also re-established many of the more notorious features of slavery, including authorizing white masters to “re-capture” any apprentice who left their employment without consent, and threatened children with criminal punishment for refusing to return to work.

Dig that fucking democratic kkk leftist mutherfucker up and hang em... and byrd and all them other democratic scum.

Sal wrote:Fuck your history and your heritage.

Yeah. That's what the Democratic party told the Japanese-Americans and German-Americans when they instituted the Sedition Acts even though many of them fought for the United States.

So in your feigned outrage there's no reason to stop with just those things that represent the Confederacy it should apply to all items that represent oppression and hate. How about we start with removal of the National Ensign from all government properties, then move on to tearing down the White House and all memorials of Presidents who we can prove oppressed various minority groups over the years.

*****FART*****
IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQ9Ozu_q2U

Dig that fucking democratic kkk leftist mutherfucker up and hang em... and byrd and all them other democratic scum.

Agree....Dixiecrats all......who have found a home under the guise of the Modern republican party.....the symbol of hate which divides this country and allows the Oligarchy to manipulate the tacit dog whistle racism which is still rampant in this country.  We start talking about these terrorists and Bob wants to talk about blues band......geez can it be any more obvious.

2seaoat wrote:Dig that fucking democratic kkk leftist mutherfucker up and hang em... and byrd and all them other democratic scum.

Agree....Dixiecrats all......who have found a home under the guise of the Modern republican party.....the symbol of hate which divides this country and allows the Oligarchy to manipulate the tacit dog whistle racism which is still rampant in this country.  We start talking about these terrorists and Bob wants to talk about blues band......geez can it be any more obvious.

No... all the democrats. That's where all the racist mutherfuckers reside pretending to be enlightened leftists.

No... all the democrats. That's where all the racist mutherfuckers reside pretending to be enlightened leftists.

Without a timeline to qualify your rantings, you are either painfully unfamiliar with history current or past, or you are back in that Ivory tower pretending your fantasy political nomenclature has any connection with reality..... how did the vote to remove the terrorist flag shake out?   I thought so........

2seaoat wrote:No... all the democrats. That's where all the racist mutherfuckers reside pretending to be enlightened leftists.

Without a timeline to qualify your rantings, you are either painfully unfamiliar with history current or past, or you are back in that Ivory tower pretending your fantasy political nomenclature has any connection with reality..... how did the vote to remove the terrorist flag shake out?   I thought so........

The known Democratic clan members never left the Democratic party so the Ivory Tower is the one that you sit in as your wife lays out your robes and Grand Master symbol for this evenings meeting. You and your progressive members have done a fine job of taking an incident and escalating it into a even huger racial division this time haven't you? What's next????? Go after various cavalry and naval pennants that might symbolize hate because of the engagements those units might have been engaged in?

After all why stop with just black oppression unless you're only being selective because the progressive masters say so?

*****FART*****
IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQ9Ozu_q2U

2seaoat wrote: We start talking about these terrorists and Bob wants to talk about blues band......geez can it be any more obvious.

Not a "blues band". Their music was a fusion of blues and jazz with also a country influence.

from the wiki page for their single greatest creation...

Duane Allman then[12] starts quietly rephrasing the first theme, gradually building to a high-pitched climax, Berry Oakley's bass guitar playing a strong counterpoint against the band's trademark percussion. Allman cools into a reverie, then starts again, finding an even more furious peak.[15] Parts of this solo would draw comparison to John Coltrane and his sheets of sound,[15] other parts to Miles Davis' classic Kind of Blue album. Duane Allman biographer Randy Poe wrote that "[Allman]'s playing jazz in a rock context" reflected the emerging jazz fusion movement, only in reverse.[12] Allman himself told writer Robert Palmer at that time, "that kind of playing comes from Miles and Coltrane, and particularly Kind of Blue. I've listened to that album so many times that for the past couple of years, I haven't hardly listened to anything else."[12] Almost two decades later, Palmer would write of the Allmans, "that if the musicians hadn't quite scaled Coltrane-like heights, they had come as close as any rock band was likely to get."[17] Rolling Stone would say in 2002 that the song's performance found the musicians "lock[ed] together ... with the grace and passion of the tightest jazz musicians,"[18] while in 2008, it said the trills, crawls, and sustain of the guitar work represented "the language of jazz charged with electric R&B futurism."[9]

Following the Duane Allman solo the band drops off to a relatively brief but to-the-point percussion break by Trucks and Johanson reflecting Kind of Blue drummer Jimmy Cobb's work.[12] The full band then enters to recap the mid-tempo second theme, finishing the song abruptly.[12] Several silent beats pass before the Fillmore audience erupts in riotous applause.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Memory_of_Elizabeth_Reed

Uh oh. I didn't know a black dude was in the band. So now I can't worship this music anymore since I'm a racist.



p.s. the reason the band is laughing in that photo is because seconds before the photographer took it, Duane Allman scored an 8-ball of cocaine from a dude off to the side. He's holding it in his hands in the picture.

Rolling Stone has Queen at 52 and Greg and the boyz 53 as the top modern American artists.........not even top half......I do not agree with their listing, but I guess it should be an honor that they made the list http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/the-allman-brothers-band-20110420

I am glad the 53 on the list was important enough to make their incorporation of a symbol of hate into an album cover important enough to actually have any relevancy to anything......I guess if I was skipping school and going to the beach i would find this as relevant as who Cher marries.  The flag is a symbol of hate.lol