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1politics Empty politics 6/4/2014, 9:38 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Politics can be divided into liberal and conservative.

So what is liberal and what is conservative.

Liberal favors the public (government) over the private (free enterprise).

Liberal favors the idea of being our "brother's keepers".  Conservative is more in tune with "the survival of the fittest".

Conservative says we need a strong military to police the world because "America is exceptional" and only America can run the world successfully.
Liberal says everybody in the world is on an equal footing and we need to use diplomacy/negotiation rather than use force.

Liberal says we need government to regulate private enterprise because, without the government regulation,  private enterprise will put all the wealth into the hands of a few and leave the rest of us poor.

Conservative says we need unbridled private enterprise without the interference of government because that's the only way private enterprise can thrive.  And when private enterprise thrives,  that's the only way any of us can get ahead in life.

Am I leaving out anything?

2politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 9:53 am

Yella

Yella

Bob wrote:Politics can be divided into liberal and conservative.

So what is liberal and what is conservative.

Liberal favors the public (government) over the private (free enterprise).

Liberal favors the idea of being our "brother's keepers".  Conservative is more in tune with "the survival of the fittest".

Conservative says we need a strong military to police the world because "America is exceptional" and only America can run the world successfully.
Liberal says everybody in the world is on an equal footing and we need to use diplomacy/negotiation rather than use force.

Liberal says we need government to regulate private enterprise because,


without the government regulation,  private enterprise will put all the wealth



into the hands of a few and leave the rest of us poor.



Conservative says we need unbridled private enterprise without the interference of government because that's the only way private enterprise can thrive.  And when private enterprise thrives,  that's the only way any of us can get ahead in life.

Am I leaving out anything?

Every weapon fired in the world is about making money. The more weapons fired the more money is made. War is not hell as W.T. Sherman once said, war is about making money. The soldiers who died are not a part of the equation. Ask any CEO in the Military-Industrial-Complex.

http://warpedinblue,blogspot.com/

3politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 10:01 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob


"Every weapon fired in the world is about making money. The more weapons fired the more money is made. War is not hell as W.T. Sherman once said, war is about making money. The soldiers who died are not a part of the equation. Ask any CEO in the Military-Industrial-Complex."


By the way,  yella,  a certain Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps who was awarded two Medals of Honor was in agreement with this.  But no history class in the whole history of Pace High School (where pacedog teaches) has ever informed it's high school students about that.  And no program on Fox News has ever mentioned it either.

4politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 10:06 am

Guest


Guest

politics=rassling...........Only more fake

5politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 10:09 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Mr Ichi wrote:politics=rassling...........Only more fake

lol

Actually that theory has never been presented on fox news or msnbc either one.   Or in any history class.  But it's as good a theory as any in my book.

6politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 10:14 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I'm now reminded of Orson Welles'  assertion.  Welles said "politicians and actors are the same thing".

What Welles is saying is that politicians don't really have strong convictions.
They're just acting out roles to get the support of constituents.

But some would say that's what politicians are supposed to do.  They're supposed to be and do whatever it is their constituents wish because that's they're job,  to represent the ideas of their constituents.

7politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 10:15 am

Guest


Guest

Wresting the true spirit and voice of the people. Much like the Greek and Roman Dramas of yesteryear. Bad guys, Good guys, Heros, Villains , all is good. People just think it is Bull shit. Far from it.

8politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 10:17 am

Guest


Guest

Bob wrote:I'm now reminded of Orson Welles'  assertion.  Welles said "politicians and actors are the same thing".

What Welles is saying is that politicians don't really have strong convictions.
They're just acting out roles to get the support of constituents.

But some would say that's what politicians are supposed to do.  They're supposed to be and do whatever it is their constituents wish because that's they're job,  to represent the ideas of their constituents.

Kinda like prostitutes.. Very Happy 

9politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 10:53 am

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet.
- Mark Twain

10politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 11:01 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

TEOTWAWKI wrote:The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet.
- Mark Twain

If Clemens were alive today he'd get the biggest kick out of listening to WEBY.

He would find it to be so ironic that the people who preach "survival of the fittest" (the conservative philosophy),  are also the same people who want everybody to live by the rules of Jesus when it was Jesus who preached the "brothers keeper" liberal philosophy.

11politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 11:09 am

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

"The government is like a baby’s alimentary canal, with a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other." — Ronald Reagan

12politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 11:18 am

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

"The more people are controlled, the poorer they become;
The poorer they become, the more restless they get; The more restless they get, the more forcefully they are restrained.
When people are forcefully restrained, their defiance becomes ingenious.
And the more ingenious their defiance, the stranger are the things that happen.
Now when strange things begin to happen, laws and regulations become stricter;
Then stricter laws and regulations mean more criminals and fugitives.
Soon everyone is either a criminal or a fugitive,
And no one can untangle the mess.
The more people are controlled, the less contented they become.
But when will leaders understand the significance of this?" — Lao Tsu

13politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 12:14 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

TEOTWAWKI wrote:    "The government is like a baby’s alimentary canal, with a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other." — Ronald Reagan

There's no doubt he has a point and that is one side of the equation.

But then there's the other side of that same equation.
What would most old farts do without socialism (medicare and social security)?

Is Brother Carl and his hickory hammock baptist church gonna take up all that slack and provide living expenses and health care for us old farts like Jesus said to do?

I doubt it.

14politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 12:18 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

You see,  like most everything else in life,   it aint all black or all white.  The good lord or  the flying spaghetti monster or whoever or whatever created it all,  also created shades of gray.
And just because fox news and msnbc see it as all black or all white,  that don't make it so no matter how many people are watching them tell it that way.  Hitler once had a whole fucking country believing his bullshit.  But that alone was not enough to make bullshit take the place of reality.

15politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 1:06 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Bob wrote:You see,  like most everything else in life,   it aint all black or all white.  The good lord or  the flying spaghetti monster or whoever or whatever created it all,  also created shades of gray.
And just because fox news and msnbc see it as all black or all white,  that don't make it so no matter how many people are watching them tell it that way.  Hitler once had a whole fucking country believing his bullshit.  But that alone was not enough to make bullshit take the place of reality.

Thank you....I was just about to challenge your first post...vastly oversimplified, but I see what you were doing.

16politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 1:10 pm

Guest


Guest

It's cute how all of a sudden some want to write politics off as a game

Let me remind you of something these so called games have end results

And those end results affect the lives of millions of people

And the sqeekiest wheel gets oiled

17politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 1:26 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I'm just a troll,  Chrissy.  Michael Savage is someone who is not a troll.  Listen to him,  not me.  He's a thousand times wiser than I am. 
And don't hold it against him that he changed his name from Wiener to Savage.
If my name was Weiner I'd change it too.

18politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 1:53 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Now back to the topic.

What is something else which differentiates liberals from conservatives.

Liberals love obama.

Conservatives despise obama.

Liberals will find any way imaginable to defend obama no matter what he says or does.

Conservatives will find any way imaginable to blame obama no matter what he says or does.

Liberals are fully convinced that obama is a very wise man who is always looking out for the welfare of Americans and trying his best to restore
America to greatness.

Conservatives are fully convinced that obama is the dumbest and most incompetent president we have ever had who is doing everything in his power to destroy america.

There is no gray area with obama.  Only pure black.  Or pure white.

19politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 2:01 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

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20politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 2:03 pm

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21politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 2:11 pm

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:Now back to the topic.

What is something else which differentiates liberals from conservatives.

Liberals love obama.

Conservatives despise obama.

Liberals will find any way imaginable to defend obama no matter what he says or does.

Conservatives will find any way imaginable to blame obama no matter what he says or does.

Liberals are fully convinced that obama is a very wise man who is always looking out for the welfare of Americans and trying his best to restore
America to greatness.

Conservatives are fully convinced that obama is the dumbest and most incompetent president we have ever had who is doing everything in his power to destroy america.

There is no gray area with obama.  Only pure black.  Or pure white.

Bullshit.

I recently criticized Obama for announcing nearly 10,000 troops would remain in Afghanistan.

I criticized him when he took single payer off the table, and again when he dropped the public option from his health reform plan.

I've repeatedly criticized him for his cozy relationship with Wall Street and failure to prosecute any of the banksters.

Meanwhile, you have the other side waving the bloody shirt over the death of patriots in Libya for nearly two years, and now contending it would be better to have left a POW who had been held captive for five years to die at the hands of his captors rather than making a deal to get him home.

I don't love Obama, I hate the modern version of the conservative movement in the United States.

Hateful, cowardly, traitors.

22politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 2:19 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal,  you have made me realize how fulla shit I am about this.

You have made me realize that liberals are just as hard on obama as conservatives are.  And conservatives are just as willing to be fair to obama as liberals are.
I'm the one who's fucked up and got it all wrong.

23politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 2:37 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

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24politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 2:46 pm

Sal

Sal

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25politics Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 2:57 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

That's me allright.  I need to decide between republican/conservative and democrat/liberal because those are the only two political perspectives in existence.  There is no other.
And whatever I do,  I need to tow the party line whichever I choose.  Either believe republican/conservative is always right and democrat/liberal is always wrong,  or vice versa.  
It really is like wrastling as Ichi said.  I either cheer for Hulk Hogan or I cheer for Randy Savage.  Because whoever heard of any wrastlin fan finding anything good about both.  It's just not what we're supposed to do.
We have to always think inside the box.  Because that's the thing that has always made America great like it is now.

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