MADD At Odds Over DUI Proposal (For Seaoats)

Where did I say that? I think I said I defended the rights of people who choose to drink. Alcohol will always be with us. It is how we deal with it is the issue.


You suggested that Mr. Studer was the problem and that if we prohibited sale of liquor at a ballpark it would help the problem. I suggested it would solve nothing. Prohibition does not work among free men. However, we are not free just to hop in a car and drive. That is simply a privilege and every privilege has strings attached.......we can and must stop impaired drivers from operating motor vehicles. For ten years now we have seen deaths dropping because we have forced second time offenders into ignition interlock vehicles.......yet 10k die because the alcohol industry is fighting it being mandated in all autos......you are either on the right side or the wrong side, and some on this forum are on the dark side.......give it a try......supporting something which is right is very near painless.

2seaoat wrote:Just like Mr. Markle to pretend he has an answer as to how alcohol related accidents are calculated.  Here is the CDC link as to how they calculate the same and the statistics.   Mr. Markle implies with the lower threshold that in fact many of the deaths are being over reported.  Read this link and see why trying to have an intelligent conversation with Mr. Markle is so difficult most of the time where generalizations counter facts.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5337a2.htm

Now pull up the statistics for MADD.

Stiffer penalties. Hold judges accountable for sentencing. This sentence is deplorable considering it wa a third offense.


2014-04-24


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Man sentenced for hit and run death on 98
By Mat Pellegrino Gulf Breeze News news@gulfbreezenews.com


Carter
A Gulf Breeze man, who hit and killed a pedestrian, later fleeing the scene on Highway 98 back in July 2013 was sentenced to 10 years in state prison.

The driver, Ryan Carter was sentenced last Wednesday by Circuit Judge John Simon. This was Carter’s third hit-and-run conviction in the county.

According to a release from the Florida Highway Patrol, the then 37-year-old Carter was driving down Highway 98, just east of East Bay Blvd. when he struck Roger Gallon, 61, of Navarre. Gallon was originally listed in critical condition after the crash, but later succumbed to his injuries.

The accident happened at around 1:40 p.m. on July 16. According to the report, Carter was driving eastbound on Highway 98 in the outside lane when he drifted off onto the shoulder of the highway.

Gallon was walking in the grass, facing traffic, on the shoulder when he was struck with the right front of Carter’s Chevrolet Tahoe.

According to the report, Carter originally stopped when he hit the pedestrian, but witnesses claimed they saw Carter get out of his SUV, look at Gallon’s injuries, and then observed the suspect get in his SUV and flee before law enforcement officers could arrive.

Carter was contacted by law enforcement officers after the accident and arrested for Leaving the Scene of a Crash with Serious Bodily Injury. After a thorough inve s t iga t ion, Carter was booked into Santa Rosa County Jail on July 17, 2013 on $3,000 bond. He was later charged with leaving the scene of an accident involving a death after Gallon passed away four days after the accident.

According to the Santa Rosa County Clerk of Courts website, Carter was found guilty on December 9, 2011 for Leaving the Scene of a Crash Involving Property Damage, and DUI with Property Damage. According to court records, Carter served jail time for that particular incident.

The website also listed a guilty verdict for another charge of Leaving the Scene of Crash Involving Property Damage and Driving with a Suspended License on April 26, 2012.

According to the county Jail View website, Carter was arrested for his last hit-and-run on April 10, 2012. One of his hit-and-runs occurred in the Gulf Breeze city limits.

Following his prison sentence, Carter will be forced to serve 10 years of probation.

Stiffer penalties. Hold judges accountable for sentencing.

Nonsense. That is the very campaign the alcohol industry has been funding. It is all the fault of a small group of people and if we only punish them the problem will go away. We have wasted hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars adding people to a runaway police state criminal justice system since the Alcohol industry has funded this approach, and every legislators does not want to be soft on those awful repeat offenders who are causing all the problem. If you have lost all the grey matter, and cannot see why the alcohol industry has been selling this chit, there is nothing I can do.

The fact is that if that perp could not drive a vehicle while impaired, we would not need that extra judge, extra prosecutor, extra probation officer, extra jailer, extra jail, extra police car, and the billions that support the same, but the problem is if we solve the problem, the alcohol industry will lose money.......lots of money......restaurants are not going to sell a bottle of wine with dinner but only a couple glasses.....people may choose not to go out to eat as much and eat and drink what they want at home......no the alcohol industry has convinced through paid shills that the problem lies in the FAULT of not penalizing offenders, never wanting to talk about preventing offenses in the first place.

Watch what happens when Dr Faigget cant crank his 140,000 dollar Mercedes after a round of golf at the Country Club. LOL


I am sure victims of impaired drivers will cry croc tears.

Isn't this a political thread?

*****CHUCKLE*****

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On the lighter side, I am sure folks like these would never know how to over ride a interlock system.

The bouncers at the bar will be blowing cars for 20 bucks a pop.   That's the entrepreneurial spirit. Hell, homeless guys will be waiting at two AM at the bars to make a buck starting cars. Good reason for them to stay sober

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Isn't this a political thread?

*****CHUCKLE*****

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No... just as harry reid spouting racist things aren't racist cause he's their racist... this thread transcends into enlightenment.

PkrBum wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Isn't this a political thread?

*****CHUCKLE*****

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No... just as harry reid spouting racist things aren't racist cause he's their racist... this thread transcends into enlightenment.

Shit!!!!!... And here I thought they were all atheists. When did they die and how did they transcend if they don't believe in that sort of thing? Must be one of those...

*****CHUCKLE*****

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This post was made by Damaged Eagle who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

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Mr Ichi wrote:This post was made by Damaged Eagle who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

LOL  

*****CHUCKLE*****

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2seaoat wrote:If you think mandatory compliance will eradicate the problem, you are wrong.

No, it is you who is wrong one more time.  I am not trying to eradicate alcholh abuse.....quite frankly I believe people should have the RIGHT to screw their lives up, they simply do not have the PRIVILEGE to drive a motor vehicle on the public roads.

Either 1. You have been mandated to have one of these things in your car and hate being so conspicuous or

2. You have stock in an up and budding company which manufacturers these things.

Within hours of such a foolish idea, there would be canisters of "clean" air on the market to beat the system.

If you want to go to the trouble and want to beat a drug test, you can buy clean urine.

You better catch up, millions more are going to be driving stoned. What's a legal level of marijuana?

2seaoat wrote:Stiffer penalties. Hold judges accountable for sentencing.

Nonsense.  That is the very campaign the alcohol industry has been funding.  It is all the fault of a small group of people and if we only punish them the problem will go away.  We have wasted hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars adding people to a runaway police state criminal justice system since the Alcohol industry has funded this approach, and every legislators does not want to be soft on those awful repeat offenders who are causing all the problem.   If you have lost all the grey matter, and cannot see why the alcohol industry has been selling this chit, there is nothing I can do.

The fact is that if that perp could not drive a vehicle while impaired, we would not need that extra judge, extra prosecutor, extra probation officer, extra jailer, extra jail, extra police car, and the billions that support the same, but the problem is if we solve the problem, the alcohol industry will lose money.......lots of money......restaurants are not going to sell a bottle of wine with dinner but only a couple glasses.....people may choose not to go out to eat as much and eat and drink what they want at home......no the alcohol industry has convinced through paid shills that the problem lies in the FAULT of not penalizing offenders, never wanting to talk about preventing offenses in the first place.

You missed the point......3 DUI hit and runs with a death deserves at least 25 years. NOT TEN years.

Either 1. You have been mandated to have one of these things in your car and hate being so conspicuous or

2. You have stock in an up and budding company which manufacturers these things.

Within hours of such a foolish idea, there would be canisters of "clean" air on the market to beat the system.

If you want to go to the trouble and want to beat a drug test, you can buy clean urine.

You better catch up, millions more are going to be driving stoned. What's a legal level of marijuana?


You still do not get it.....they are working now with the hardcore repeat offenders and they are not defeating the technology, and the number of deaths is dropping like a rock.........when pot kills 10k, it will be addressed. Your canister of clean air is laughable.....you first need to get familiar with the technology which is working and has reduced dui deaths, not some fantasy that they can be beat. The only thing between this carnage and a solution is fools and tools for the alcohol industry, so let me answer your question with a question.....which are you?

Mouthwash can cause an interlock system to kick in. I find it unbelievable that you are advocating a massive and expensive alteration in automobiles that would cause problems for people who aren't criminals.

Ignition-lock reality: Many don’t use device, still drive


"The driver arrested in Monday’s fatal accident in North Seattle was supposed to have been using an ignition-interlock device. But many drivers ignore such court orders, choosing to drive with a suspended license or simply not to drive..."

IMHO, the only thing that will keep these people off the streets is stiffer penalties...people who drive drunk are for the most part repeat offenders. Give them jail time. If they seriously injure someone, revoke their licenses and TAKE THEIR VEHICLE. Sell it and use the proceeds to partially compensate the victims.

Mr Ichi wrote:This post was made by Damaged Eagle who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

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Ain't life grand?

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Sal wrote:

Mr Ichi wrote:This post was made by Damaged Eagle who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

LOL  

Ain't life grand?

lol

That's very culturally accepting and open minded of you... Did you learn to be so progressive and enlightened by tuning out whatever doesn't agree with you world view like all the other bigots?

*****CHUCKLE*****

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Mouthwash can cause an interlock system to kick in. I find it unbelievable that you are advocating a massive and expensive alteration in automobiles that would cause problems for people who aren't criminals.


Nonsense. The alcohol industry funds attacks on the ignition interlock systems and tries to portray them as ineffective, or too effective that they will pick up alcohol in a mouthwash. They are currently being used in all fifty states with repeat offenders and the death rate has been dropping like a rock from the highs in the 1970s and they are RARELY bypassed. So if a you can pick out the exception and argue it should be the rule, I should enter your stupid world? SA all over the country have protocols with their bracelets and ignition interlocks which catch cheaters.

Is it a pain in the butt sometimes to put a child seat in the front seat and turn off the air bag......well yes. Do the benefits of the air bag outweigh the burden........well in your world you would argue that they do not because a passenger had their glasses break in a fifty mile an hour front end collision. Your logic is stunning.