"I" word talk grows

2seaoat wrote:There are never links............

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/kentucky-obamacare-enrollment-surges

Links are rarely needed when discussing well known facts.....unless somebody does not care to look at the facts, and whining about the president suffices.

lol... you are the reason we aren't given transparency... anything will do. Luckily the cental govt doesn't control all of this data. We know how many lost coverage... we know about how many are expanding medicare... paying private enrollees?

Not so much. Do you get those tingles up your leg too? Or is it a deeper spiritual connection you have w govt?

Pk playing the first set in game one he loses to his opponent. He throws his racquet down and declares the game, set, and match is over. Have you ever in your tennis experience ever seen this happen. I understand injury. I understand somebody simply giving up. However when you know it takes three sets and we are only in the first game......even you must recognize that it is pure wishful thinking and preconception which is driving the declaration of failure.

I simply know people (100%) who have gotten policies which give them coverage for less money. I have not met one person who has been adversely impacted by the affordable care act. The people with preexisting conditions are ecstatic. I am so happy for families who are facing serious health conditions to have coverage and a chance to win their battles. I guess some could say I am a big government person, but people who have seen what I have done the last thirty some years would simply laugh at that suggestion, but if you asked them do I care deeply about people.....to the last one they would agree. So continue this paradigm of fantasy where you think government hurts people.....it does sometimes, and continue your fantasy that anybody who seeks efficiency and coverage for Americans who lack health insurance is support for big government. Just put the racquet down and quit........you lost the first game...........and you will lose this game as folks find coverage and our country gets closer to medicare for all.

As a matter of fact... the vast majority of my opponents knew they had no chance when they saw the draw.

Who's paid? It's that simple... age, income, preexisting, plan, medicaid, were they displaced from other coverage... etc.

I know it's not important to you... you are placated... save the word salad.

You just sit back and relax... we'll wake you up if anything important happens.

we'll wake you up if anything important happens.


I think something important has happened. People have been rushing to sign up for the Affordable Care Act, and it is not I who was asleep. I know where this is going. I knew from the first day what will happen. I have been wide awake. Yes, Pk......Santa is white, government is bad, the tooth fairy is going to come when you get your dentures, and the easter bunny does lay chocolate eggs.......I sure do not want to wake you up from your slumber......

2seaoat wrote:I just listened to the radio about what the state of Kentucky is doing.....you know the state with two Republican leaders in the senate, and they are showing that 41% of the enrollees are under the age of 35, and folks are flocking to the exchanges and getting great reductions in their rates.   Kentucky is a state which is booming in their economy and the governor and the person who I listened to on the radio who is in charge of the state exchanges says that people are listening to friends and neighbors who have signed up and the velocity of registered folks is increasing daily.  They are finding great success.  I have said for two years we will not know if this thing will be actuairlly sound until three years of penalties, so we are looking at the five year mark when we will have an new president elected.  The state exchanges really are kicking asz, and even Wisconsin Senator and a Republican who wanted to repeal the affordable care act is saying that the success of this is inevitable.......there are always people who believed the earth was flat and got really angry when people tried to convince them otherwise.....our flat earthers are consistent on a number of topics.

Really, show us a link to a reliable source.

Also, how many of those "enrollees" have paid and are not being placed in Medicaid?

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/kentucky-obamacare-enrollment-surges
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What idiocy. The goal of the Affordable Care Act is to get coverage for uninsured Americans. Part of that legislation was expanded medicaid coverage which gave families coverage, yet some states intentionally did not take the three year subsidy because of this twisted logic you have just displayed. Folks who get insurance and coverage under Medicaid do not count..........you make me smile. The Affordable Care act and much of its success is the expansion of Medicaid coverage for qualifying families.....so now you unilaterally declare that show me a link which does not count the expanded coverage provided by the act under Medicaid........

       wake up Mr. Markle and smell the coffee.....families all across this great nation are getting coverage and we are getting closer everyday to medicare for all......  

2seaoat wrote:http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/kentucky-obamacare-enrollment-surges
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What idiocy. The goal of the Affordable Care Act is to get coverage for uninsured Americans. Part of that legislation was expanded medicaid coverage which gave families coverage, yet some states intentionally did not take the three year subsidy because of this twisted logic you have just displayed. Folks who get insurance and coverage under Medicaid do not count..........you make me smile. The Affordable Care act and much of its success is the expansion of Medicaid coverage for qualifying families.....so now you unilaterally declare that show me a link which does not count the expanded coverage provided by the act under Medicaid........

       wake up Mr. Markle and smell the coffee.....families all across this great nation are getting coverage and we are getting closer everyday to medicare for all......  

From what little we're allowed to see behind the curtain... it appears that it's uninsured more that it's insured.

Correct?

it appears that it's uninsured more that it's insured.

Correct?

Please be patient....it took me months to have google provide a Chrissy advanced translator, now I have to ask them to devise a PK translator........what does it appears that its uninsured more than its insured refer to.......what does the first ITS refer to, and what does the second ITS refer to.........google just told me to forget about it........

2seaoat wrote: it appears that it's uninsured more that it's insured.

Correct?

Please be patient....it took me months to have google provide a Chrissy advanced translator, now I have to ask them to devise a PK translator........what does it appears that its uninsured more than its insured refer to.......what does the first ITS refer to, and what does the second ITS refer to.........google just told me to forget about it........

How many have lost coverage - the number of paid enrollees... and don't leave out the new to medicaid.

Is that a positive number or a negative number? I've been saying all along that the patient mix is the key.

Are you able to objectivly analyze this? The desire that this fail and morph into a unicorn of socialist medicare is underhanded.

It's not fair to keep presenting something that is not what is intended... where are your ethics? Sold for ideology apparently.

where are your ethics?
On the eve of the celebration of Christ, I am very comfortable where my ethics are......medicare for all. The rest I do not care one iota about. I want people who are old, sick and poor to have health care coverage. I feel very comfortable about my ethics and practical ways to achieve the same which are revenue neutral.

2seaoat wrote: where are your ethics?
On the eve of the celebration of Christ, I am very comfortable where my ethics are......medicare for all. The rest I do not care one iota about. I want people who are old, sick and poor to have health care coverage. I feel very comfortable about my ethics and practical ways to achieve the same which are revenue neutral.

Your subjective end justifies any means... no you don't need to explain any further. Reality finds the fallacies.

There are no fallacies.....just your presumption that your priorities are the correct priorities.....The American people are setting those priorities and their ballots will control.

2seaoat wrote: where are your ethics?
On the eve of the celebration of Christ, I am very comfortable where my ethics are......medicare for all.     The rest I do not care one iota about.  I want people who are old, sick and poor to have health care coverage.  I feel very comfortable about my ethics and practical ways to achieve the same which are revenue neutral.

Then what you are saying is diametrically opposed to this administration and ObamaCare.  You know, had ObamaCare been in full effect when you became ill, you'd be pushing up posies.

Created by Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, chief architect of ObamaCare and brother of former Chief of Staff and now failed Mayor of Chicago Rahm Emanuel.  This is the basis of the death panels.

Then what you are saying is diametrically opposed to this administration and ObamaCare. You know, had ObamaCare been in full effect when you became ill, you'd be pushing up posies.


Keep selling lies.....somebody might bite on that crap, but my plan was not in anyway impacted by the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, and nothing in the Affordable Care Act will do as much as what the Medicare guidelines which are separate and apart from the Affordable Care Act. On medicare I will only receive one shot, and they have disallowed the second shot.........so your criticism of the Affordable Care Act is silly and untruthful.

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by 2seaoat on 12/24/2013, 11:27 pm
There are no fallacies.....just your presumption that your priorities are the correct priorities.....The American people are setting those priorities and their ballots will control.
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And obamacare will kill the golden goose of an economy because this will hit middle class the hardest who cannot afford it coming out of the 2008 economic downturn/recession. Fatxats like yourself and those who weren't buying insurance because of the previous cost that the middle class willl now pay for will make out like bandits. For the rest of us, we're screwed. I won't always have tricare once I retire because reservists aren't covered as active duty is regarding insurance and I am sure that I will not be able to afford any other insurance including obamacare.

Glad you're so benevolent with everyone else's money Seaoat.... Moron,

Funny how SO is now referring to it as "The affordable care act" rather than Obama Care.

Also of interest is why the Dems try to hide from what it really is.

Wealth redistribution.

If they are so proud of redistributing the wealth, why not own up to it?

The wealth distribution in this country started in the early 1980s, and I certainly have no qualms in supporting policies which return us to the tax rates of that period which will reverse the flow of this nation's wealth to the 1%. I support the estate tax returning to sane levels, the tax rates increasing to near 1980 levels, and social security income exemptions being lifted with the cap being 250k. The Affordable Care Act is an act which was passed by the Congress and signed by the President. It uses penalties to influence folks free choice. Nobody has to buy insurance. They do however have to pay the penalties for that choice. All of this country's systemic problems of debt started with giving the top 1% of this country's wealthy carte blanche to rob America. I think some wealth being returned to those in the Middle Class who have been looted by bills passed by Congress which allowed the same wealth redistribution to happen over the last 35 years is the only course to right the American economy.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Glad you're so benevolent with everyone else's money Seaoat.... Moron,

I certainly do not think Seoat is a moron. You, however fit that category with the silly and senseless rants you post here nearly every day.  

stormwatch89 wrote:Funny how SO is now referring to it as "The affordable care act" rather than Obama Care.

Also of interest is why the Dems try to hide from what it really is.

Wealth redistribution.

If they are so proud of redistributing the wealth, why not own up to it?

It's officially the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act". Some people have referred to it as "Obamacare"...mostly those who are opposed.

Floridatexan wrote:

stormwatch89 wrote:Funny how SO is now referring to it as "The affordable care act" rather than Obama Care.

Also of interest is why the Dems try to hide from what it really is.

Wealth redistribution.

If they are so proud of redistributing the wealth, why not own up to it?

It's officially the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act".  Some people have referred to it as "Obamacare"...mostly those who are opposed.

President Barack Hussein Obama has referred to it as ObamaCare on numerous occasions along with many others in the administration.  Sure Wouldn't want anyone else getting credit for this boondoggle.

Sure Wouldn't want anyone else getting credit for this boondoggle.


What boondoggle. Just on this forum we have seen people who have received coverage and are extremely happy and thankful. There will be over twenty million Americans in five years who will have coverage who did not have coverage. A boondoggle is giving 85 billion subsidy to the too big to fail banks for loan guarantees. A boondoggle is a 700 billion dollar agricultural bill which is ripe with corrupt subsidy for the richest corporations in the world.

Helping Americans is no boondoggle. A boondoggle is allowing America to be stolen by special interests and the shills who represent the 1%.

2seaoat wrote:The wealth distribution in this country started in the early 1980s, and I certainly have no qualms in supporting policies which return us to the tax rates of that period which will reverse the flow of this nation's wealth to the 1%.   I support the estate tax returning to sane levels, the tax rates increasing to near 1980 levels, and social security income exemptions being lifted with the cap being 250k.   The Affordable Care Act is an act which was passed by the Congress and signed by the President.   It uses penalties to influence folks free choice.  Nobody has to buy insurance.  They do however have to pay the penalties for that choice.  All of this country's systemic problems of debt started with giving the top 1% of this country's wealthy carte blanche to rob America.   I think some wealth being returned to those in the Middle Class who have been looted by bills passed by Congress which allowed the same wealth redistribution to happen over the last 35 years is the only course to right the American economy.

Our incomes must vastly differ.

You're not understanding the 1031 years ago I thought had taught you something. Obviously I was mistaken.

2seaoat wrote:The wealth distribution in this country started in the early 1980s, and I certainly have no qualms in supporting policies which return us to the tax rates of that period which will reverse the flow of this nation's wealth to the 1%.   I support the estate tax returning to sane levels, the tax rates increasing to near 1980 levels, and social security income exemptions being lifted with the cap being 250k.   The Affordable Care Act is an act which was passed by the Congress and signed by the President.   It uses penalties to influence folks free choice.  Nobody has to buy insurance.  They do however have to pay the penalties for that choice.  All of this country's systemic problems of debt started with giving the top 1% of this country's wealthy carte blanche to rob America.   I think some wealth being returned to those in the Middle Class who have been looted by bills passed by Congress which allowed the same wealth redistribution to happen over the last 35 years is the only course to right the American economy.

Who pay all the income taxes?  What will you do when you destroy them?

Who pay all the income taxes? What will you do when you destroy them?


The people who still have incomes. 50k factories were closed and those folks who made a profit on the same will now have to pay taxes which will give them incentive to reinvest in America....or pay more taxes. It is really that simple. Rates will go up slowly until we have balanced budgets. This may be five to ten percent on top brackets over a decade. These rate increases must include incentives to the top brackets to invest in American jobs. Job tax credits which are targeted to industry and manufacturing will begin to rebuild our middle class. For a ten year period I paid a fraction of what I used to pay in taxes, and if it means I pay more or must hire employees to gain tax credits and lower my burden......then good for America and too bad for Seaoat. In one business I have seen my gross receipts drop by 70% and in another I expect a 100% increase in NET receipts next year. With expanded 179 deductions I will be buying capital equipment from American factories which will increase our GDP and lower my next year taxes. These type of tax policies build America and do not redistribute wealth to the top 1%. It is common sense to cut government jobs, and increase revenue to balance our budgets. I am sorry you suffer from myopia.