White House FINALLY Admits that President Barack Hussein Obama LIED. All of you are too stupid to know what insurance you need!

knothead wrote:Mr. Markle has got himself all bound up over what he, and many others, describe as LIES by our President.  Governor Romney appeared on "Meet the Press" this past Sunday and was hammering the same message "OBAMA LIES" and there seems to be some basis to the charge unless you look a bit closer to the facts.  During the Presidential campaign the ACA was debated over and over with Mr. Romney campaigning on the trail but you know what? He NEVER called the assertions that President Obama was making about "if you like your plan - you can keep it" regarding the ACA as being dishonest or deceitful, never that I recall and I mean never.  Why does it matter? Well to call Obama a LIAR we must assume that he knew it untruthful when the statement was made, right? Of course . . . . and we also know that if Romney believed that his opponent was, in fact, lying then is there any question that he would have gone on the attack and began calling him a liar DURING the campaign, right?
My point is simply that if you choose to label Obama a liar then have at it but personally I just don't believe that to be the case.  Wrong, absolutely! LYING . . . . hell no! How can we be expected to believe that Obama was purposefully lying while at the same time believe that Romney (who implemented the same health care in MA and knew its vagaries) stood silently on the sideline and kept his mouth shut?
Go figure . . .  

Chrissy wrote:

knothead wrote:Mr. Markle has got himself all bound up over what he, and many others, describe as LIES by our President.  Governor Romney appeared on "Meet the Press" this past Sunday and was hammering the same message "OBAMA LIES" and there seems to be some basis to the charge unless you look a bit closer to the facts.  During the Presidential campaign the ACA was debated over and over with Mr. Romney campaigning on the trail but you know what? He NEVER called the assertions that President Obama was making about "if you like your plan - you can keep it" regarding the ACA as being dishonest or deceitful, never that I recall and I mean never.  Why does it matter? Well to call Obama a LIAR we must assume that he knew it untruthful when the statement was made, right? Of course . . . . and we also know that if Romney believed that his opponent was, in fact, lying then is there any question that he would have gone on the attack and began calling him a liar DURING the campaign, right?
My point is simply that if you choose to label Obama a liar then have at it but personally I just don't believe that to be the case.  Wrong, absolutely! LYING . . . . hell no! How can we be expected to believe that Obama was purposefully lying while at the same time believe that Romney (who implemented the same health care in MA and knew its vagaries) stood silently on the sideline and kept his mouth shut?
Go figure . . .  

again you lie. the STATE implimented health plan romney implimented is NOT the ACA. ACA is thousands and THOUSANDS of pages more regulations and rediculousness. Let me make this simple anaology again. To compare the two is like calling a mosquito a plane because they both fly.

bizguy wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Ghost Rider wrote:My dilemma is and always has been is how the hell are the people who cannot afford health care prior to the ACA are going to afford it now? From what I saw on the health care website, the monthly cost is astronomical to those that are barely scrapping by at this time. Let's not even mention the exorbitant deductibles that have to be paid before any money is paid out to your provider.

This ACA is the biggest cluster-fuck that I have ever seen come from the government.

  

We needed insurance reform....not Obamacare.

We haven't had health insurance in many years.  We have health maintenance plans or service contracts.  Obamacare just made it worse.

knothead wrote:Crickets . . . . . Again, if President was, in fact Lying then why didn't Mitt Romney call him on that dishonesty during the campaign?

Answer: Obama was wrong but not lying and Romney who was more than familiar with the format of the ACA never said a word . . . .

Obama was wrong but was NOT LYING . . . .

Markle wrote:

knothead wrote:Crickets . . . . . Again, if President was, in fact Lying then why didn't Mitt Romney call him on that dishonesty during the campaign?

Answer: Obama was wrong but not lying and Romney who was more than familiar with the format of the ACA never said a word . . . .

Obama was wrong but was NOT LYING . . . .

Cute try and another display of sheer desperation.

Even the White House and Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel have admitted that President Barack Hussein Obama, and they LIED for the greater good.   Sound familiar?

knothead wrote:

Markle wrote:

knothead wrote:Crickets . . . . . Again, if President was, in fact Lying then why didn't Mitt Romney call him on that dishonesty during the campaign?

Answer: Obama was wrong but not lying and Romney who was more than familiar with the format of the ACA never said a word . . . .

Obama was wrong but was NOT LYING . . . .

Cute try and another display of sheer desperation.

Even the White House and Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel have admitted that President Barack Hussein Obama, and they LIED for the greater good.   Sound familiar?

Your usual non answer . . . . please address my question and quit the deflection.

Markle wrote:

..not Mitt Romney.  As far as I know, he is not in office at this time.  Is that not true?

Sal wrote:

Markle wrote:

..not Mitt Romney.  As far as I know, he is not in office at this time.  Is that not true?

It's true. 


The candidate you favor is not in office


Get used to it, bitch. 

ppaca wrote:I don't think Obama knew what he was saying, remember no one including him read the legislation. He believed what he was told, signed it and turned it over to HHS, I believe that is where it all went wrong and the interpretation's and final ruling's on each page. But ultimately it is his fault, I know he didn't have time to read it but his adviser's should have picked it a part before he signed it.


As far as keeping your doctor that certainly does depend on which state you are living in and the health insurer's setting up new plans with different networks. I guess by us not having state exchange's we of Florida will be better off as far as networks. BC network in the panhandle for the PPO is exactly the same as it was before. In Florida same plans on or off exchange for most company's, that are on exchange. It's the new HMO's that have limited networks and really are not that much cheaper than a PPO plan.

ppaca wrote:I don't think Obama knew what he was saying, .

Sal wrote:People crying about these shit policies being canceled obviously have no real interest in health insurance reform.

They just want morons to keep paying the industry to fuck people over.

knothead wrote:As you missed, this is a thread about President Barack Hussein Obama...not Mitt Romney. As far as I know, he is not in office at this time. Is that not true?

Thank you for  clarifying this threads intent . . . it is whether President Obama LIED, correct? There is a difference between making statements that are not literally accurate and making statements knowingly and consciously understanding that the statement is untruthful.  It is clear that the many statements President Obama made referring to 'if you like your plan' were not literally accurate as it turns out.  If this were a blatant and outrageous LIE then why didn't his opponent, Mitt Romney, make a single utterance challenging Obama's assertions? The answer is clear . . . . neither understood the fundamental ramifications of insurance requirements.  Had Romney, who theoretically understood the ACA since it was modeled after the MA model, never ONCE challenged Obama's truthfulness regarding the assertion . . . . . . . not because he wasn't willing to expose blatant lies but because he too was not aware that some people would eventually be required to change their health care plan(s).  The false assertions made by Obama were clearly inaccurate but LYING was not the appropriate label . . . . . it was simply inaccurate and end of story.  If you can refute this intellectually and explain why Governor Romney never called Obama on these inaccurate statements then I would then agree the term LYING was appropriate but until then it was imply inaccurate.    

knothead wrote:This is becoming more than amusing . . . . no one can answer the freaking question now can they? The assertions are being made that President Obama LIED . . . . over and over and over . . . . it is a false narrative, PERIOD!

Q: Why didn't Mitt Romney call out President Obama during the presidential campaign during the several debates that what he (Obama) was asserting was not accurate or in the TP's view a BIG LIE? Romney certainly knew and understood the template since it was his model that the ACA is modeled on so why didn't Romney say during the campaign that Obama was a LIAR?

A: It was not known by Romney or Obama.

Prove otherwise or quit whining it's nauseating . . .  

Sal wrote:People crying about these shit policies being canceled obviously have no real interest in health insurance reform.

They just want morons to keep paying the industry to fuck people over.

knothead wrote:My reply is simple . . . . you cannot answer the question as to whether Obama was lying . . . why didn't Romney say a single word during the 2012 campaign? He was mistaken but not lying and that stands unless and until you can rectify or reconcile that . . .  

Markle wrote:

knothead wrote:My reply is simple . . . . you cannot answer the question as to whether Obama was lying . . . why didn't Romney say a single word during the 2012 campaign? He was mistaken but not lying and that stands unless and until you can rectify or reconcile that . . .  

Because Governor Romney was ill advised.  

He also should have attacked President Barack Hussein Obama time and again at the last debate.  

He also should have appeared on every single talk show that would have put him on along with every other political show.