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Uh oh...Science has spoken! The debate is over. Global warming is dead. Artic Ice Grows by 920,000 sq. miles in a Year!

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Markle

Markle

For Progressives and the Greenies 2013 will be remembered as a very, very bad year. As if the total chaos in the government, world and economy weren't bad enough, now even the EARTH isn't cooperating.

Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% in a year with top scientists warning of global COOLING

Almost a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012

BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013

Publication of UN climate change report suggesting global warming caused by humans pushed back to later this month

A chilly Arctic summer has left nearly a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 60 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.

Uh oh...Science has spoken! The debate is over. Global warming is dead. Artic Ice Grows by 920,000 sq. miles in a Year! 2013HowtheIceSheetGrew

Uh oh...Science has spoken! The debate is over. Global warming is dead. Artic Ice Grows by 920,000 sq. miles in a Year! 2013ArcticIcearticle

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html#ixzz2eHTdAqgy

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/sorry-irthers-the-arctic-ice-cap-has-returned/

PBulldog2

PBulldog2

You know I'm an eenie-meanie-greenie, or whatever it is you said, but if what you posted here is true, I am elated.

I don't know why you think any environmentalist types would consider 2013 a "bad year" if what you posted is true. Strange....

Nekochan

Nekochan

A true environmentalist wouldn't be unhappy but there are many who make their living off of there being a global warming disaster in the making.

Markle

Markle

PBulldog2 wrote:You know I'm an eenie-meanie-greenie, or whatever it is you said, but if what you posted here is true, I am elated.

I don't know why you think any environmentalist types would consider 2013 a "bad year" if what you posted is true. Strange....
Of course you do. The Greenies have far less to back up their demands for more CO2 controls, more corn being taken out of the food chain and burned for food, more cars being built in which people are more likely to be killed. Higher gas and energy prices which hurts low and middle income people the most.

Fewer grants and giveaways for solar and wind programs. Even Al Gore has finally admitted under oath that at times in history, temperatures increased prior to supposed increases in CO2.

Markle

Markle

Nekochan wrote:A true environmentalist wouldn't be unhappy but there are many who make their living off of there being a global warming disaster in the making.
Watch, there will be "experts" swearing that Global Warming is what has caused the increase in ice AND the reduction in Hurricanes this year.

Nekochan

Nekochan

Markle wrote:
Nekochan wrote:A true environmentalist wouldn't be unhappy but there are many who make their living off of there being a global warming disaster in the making.
Watch, there will be "experts" swearing that Global Warming is what has caused the increase in ice AND the reduction in Hurricanes this year.

The phrase global warming is slowly being replaced with "climate change".

Of course, the climate changes. It has for millions of years!

Markle

Markle

Nekochan wrote:
Markle wrote:
Nekochan wrote:A true environmentalist wouldn't be unhappy but there are many who make their living off of there being a global warming disaster in the making.
Watch, there will be "experts" swearing that Global Warming is what has caused the increase in ice AND the reduction in Hurricanes this year.
The phrase global warming is slowly being replaced with "climate change".

Of course, the climate changes.  It has for millions of years!
I know.  That's why I use Global Warming, for some reason it annoys the Greenies because even they know it isn't happening so they had to change the term to keep getting handouts and grants.

It is much like Progressives.  Started out as Socialists, transformed into left, then left wing, then far left wing, then Liberal now that Liberal is exposed it has become Progressive....

Almost need a road map for them.

One would think they'd be proud of who they are and wish to be known.

2seaoat



Science is science, and politics are politics, and may the two not pretend to be the same. The last 10 years of my 61 years have been altered by severe weather. Ivan and Dennis made lifetime changes in my life, and 8 major floods over the last 10 years where 110 years of river gage history were turned upside down and caused over a 1/4 million of uninsured loss makes one understand that whatever people want to call the last decade, and whatever the scientist extrapolate, it was a decade of extremes. Certainly the fluctuations in the Polar ice cap fits into the continuing fluctuations of drought, floods, and now polar cap variation.

I would take no early solace that the trends of this last decade have in any measurable sense reversed the extremes which we have been exposed. I am happy to see restoration of Polar ice, but the first major flood I was exposed to in 2008, I thought I would not see another in a hundred years. I have seen four since.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:Science is science, and politics are politics, and may the two not pretend to be the same.   The last 10 years of my 61 years have been altered by severe weather.  Ivan and Dennis made lifetime changes in my life, and 8 major floods over the last 10 years where 110 years of river gage history were turned upside down and caused over a 1/4 million of uninsured loss makes one understand that whatever people want to call the last decade, and whatever the scientist extrapolate, it was a decade of extremes.   Certainly the fluctuations in the Polar ice cap fits into the continuing fluctuations of drought, floods, and now polar cap variation.

I would take no early solace that the trends of this last decade have in any measurable sense reversed the extremes which we have been exposed.  I am happy to see restoration of Polar ice, but the first major flood I was exposed to in 2008, I thought I would not see another in a hundred years.  I have seen four since
It simply shows you're a slow learner.

2seaoat



It simply shows you're a slow learner.


Gee a realtor who does not understand how 100 year flood lines are statistically determined. By golly, I am surprised.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:It simply shows you're a slow learner.


Gee a realtor who does not understand how 100 year flood lines are statistically determined.   By golly, I am surprised.
The word is Realtor, it is a trademark.

I probably know far more about flood plains, environmental protection areas and a few more things.

This is amusing, anyone who takes and believes the 100 year flood zones telling them they are on dry land and not subject to flooding while they are wading in waist deep water....FOUR TIMES is beyond FOOL.

Those maps are not revised every year. New developments not even close to another area can change the water flow characteristics. The soil content in your area can determine whether or not an area floods.

Guest


Guest

What if ice at earth's poles is not the norm?

2seaoat



I probably know far more about flood plains, environmental protection areas and a few more things.


Really, I am not sure about a few more things, but you say you know more about flood plains and environmental protection areas...........interesting use of language, and a real tell that what you claim is not entirely true. Tell me more about an environmental protection area, and why you think your knowledge on the same is superior. I am always willing to learn.

2seaoat



What if ice at earth's poles is not the norm?


Norm is a statistical analysis. Man has been on earth by most scientific estimates at least 10k years. Statistically in man's existence ice at the poles has been the norm. Fluctuations in the same also are the norm. A statistical trend may be tracked, but to determine norm requires a range to apply that analysis.

Guest


Guest

Would it surprise you that there has been open water at the north pole during your lifetime?

http://www.csp.navy.mil/asl/Timeline.htm

2seaoat



Would it surprise you that there has been open water at the north pole during your lifetime?


I have never traveled to either of the poles. I have never seen a glacier. I would not have knowledge of the polar ice caps, other than now reading their history.

Guest


Guest

PkrBum wrote:What if ice at earth's poles is not the norm?
I don't know about what we should call a norm, but it makes sense that we have ice in some form in these areas due to the rotation of earth axis facing the sun.

it also makes sense that as the suns magnetic poles change and the earths magnetic poles change we end up with variations of weather patterns across the planet.

When earths magnetic field weakens it allows more solar radiation into our atmosphere. This directly affects our weather patterns although you wont hear this commonly spoken of in the global warming community. You even have some who say the magnetic field doesn't effect weather at all which is hogwash political driven science.

currently the suns poles are flipping. and some believe the earths poles are flipping and science does admit that the earth is due for a flipping. it could of already happened because I have gotten to the point where I hardly believe most junk political driven science now. If it has then the magnetic field is getting back to par and protecting us from solar radiation and its going to get colder. Hopefully not another ice age.

So we better hope that we are not entering the next ice age, because during the last one all of Canada and over half of America was covered in ice sheets.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Realtors are not environmental professionals.

My education is in science, and I have difficulty with Global Warming as it is pushed by environmental fanatics.

I was an environmental professional for 16 years (my second career). I never was and never will be an environmental activist. Environmental professionals work with agencies, corporations and individuals to help them understand and comply with U.S. and state environmental regulations, which I believe are very protective of the environment. Activists always have an agenda.

The Global Warming movement has been hijacked by activists, but there is also something more sinister lurking in the background, and it has to do with global control of humanity in ways none of us would really want.

It could one day come down to governments dictating that you freeze during the winter because your heater adds too much CO2 to the atmosphere.  

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Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Realtors are not environmental professionals.

My education is in science, and I have difficulty with Global Warming as it is pushed by environmental fanatics.

I was an environmental professional for 16 years (my second career). I never was and never will be an environmental activist. Environmental professionals work with agencies, corporations and individuals to help them understand and comply with U.S. and state environmental regulations, which I believe are very protective of the environment. Activists always have an agenda.

The Global Warming movement has been hijacked by activists, but there is also something more sinister lurking in the background, and it has to do with global control of humanity in ways none of us would really want.

It could one day come down to governments dictating that you freeze during the winter because your heater adds too much CO2 to the atmosphere.  
No one ever said that Realtors were environmental experts. Although we are usually better informed on such topics.

How much has the percentage of CO2 in our atmosphere increased in the past 150 years? In other words, if it was 5% 150 years ago, before the industrial revolution and my '66 Goat, what is it today? 5.5% a 10% increase, 6%, 10% a 100% increase?

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PBulldog2

PBulldog2

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Realtors are not environmental professionals.

My education is in science, and I have difficulty with Global Warming as it is pushed by environmental fanatics.

I was an environmental professional for 16 years (my second career). I never was and never will be an environmental activist. Environmental professionals work with agencies, corporations and individuals to help them understand and comply with U.S. and state environmental regulations, which I believe are very protective of the environment. Activists always have an agenda.

The Global Warming movement has been hijacked by activists, but there is also something more sinister lurking in the background, and it has to do with global control of humanity in ways none of us would really want.

It could one day come down to governments dictating that you freeze during the winter because your heater adds too much CO2 to the atmosphere.  
I've never been an environmental activist, either. Markle just assumes I am, so I play along. Very Happy 

Sal

Sal

More bad science from the denialists at the Daily Mail.

It's true that the ice coverage of 2013 has increased from 2012, but it is still far below the 1980-2010 average.

After the astonishing drop in 2012, it's not surprising that there would be an increase in 2013.

It's a seasonal anomaly and regression to the mean.

Coverage can vary wildly from year to year, so the thickness of the ice is the real measure.

Want to venture a guess on how that's trending?

There's a big difference between "weather" and "climate".

The Flat Earth Society would do well by familiarizing themselves with that difference.

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:More bad science from the denialists at the Daily Mail.

It's true that the ice coverage of 2013 has increased from 2012, but it is still far below the 1980-2010 average.

After the astonishing drop in 2012, it's not surprising that there would be an increase in 2013.

It's a seasonal anomaly and regression to the mean.

Coverage can vary wildly from year to year, so the thickness of the ice is the real measure.

Want to venture a guess on how that's trending?

There's a big difference between "weather" and "climate".

The Flat Earth Society would do well by familiarizing themselves with that difference.
This, you'll agree, is not an opinion piece. The Daily Mail published the information. Please share with us all the information in the article which is NOT true.

As you know, we have had no warming in 15 years and now the ice cap has expanded greatly. How then can you say that those who do not believe in Global Warming being caused by humans are the deniers? The evidence appears to be very strong that they are correct and you are wrong. That would make you the "Denier" would it not?

Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:
Sal wrote:More bad science from the denialists at the Daily Mail.

It's true that the ice coverage of 2013 has increased from 2012, but it is still far below the 1980-2010 average.

After the astonishing drop in 2012, it's not surprising that there would be an increase in 2013.

It's a seasonal anomaly and regression to the mean.

Coverage can vary wildly from year to year, so the thickness of the ice is the real measure.

Want to venture a guess on how that's trending?

There's a big difference between "weather" and "climate".

The Flat Earth Society would do well by familiarizing themselves with that difference.
This, you'll agree, is not an opinion piece.  The Daily Mail published the information.  Please share with us all the information in the article which is NOT true.

As you know, we have had no warming in 15 years and now the ice cap has expanded greatly.  How then can you say that those who do not believe in Global Warming being caused by humans are the deniers?  The evidence appears to be very strong that they are correct and you are wrong.  That would make you the "Denier" would it not?
Familiarize with the difference between "weather" and "climate".

The weather in any given place may or may not be warmer than last year.

That is irrelevant.

The climate is most certainly warming.

There is a scientific consensus that it is so, and that man is a contributor.

Denying that puts you squarely in the Flat Earth Society.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

I never side with Markle on much of anything, but I have difficulty accepting the premise for global warming as it is presented by the fanatics who are pushing it. I have said here before, I earned my MS in biology and coastal zone studies in 1992, and studied under some really smart profs, and none of them ever brought up the subject of global warming/climate change.

In order to do what climate change activists want to accomplish, the following must first be done:

1. Do away with national boundaries and force all nations to become subordinate to a global authority that will regulate each nation's compliance with global warming dictates.

2. Reduce the world population by at least 1/2 to take pressure off Mother Earth and its resources.

3. Outlaw fossil fuel use globally--if people can't get their energy from renewable sources, they won't have energy. The starvation and want created by such dictates will help reduce the global population as outlined in #2.

4. Regulate every aspect of human life as it pertains to CO2 emissions. When people find their carbon-taxes so burdensome, maybe they will just stop breathing, halting their own personal carbon emissions and contributing to the thrust of Item #2.

I am sure this list can be expanded, but I find none of it palatable. Extremism from any direction is very dangerous, and it is hard to not see extremism in the climate change movement.

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Guest


Guest

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I never side with Markle on much of anything, but I have difficulty accepting the premise for global warming as it is presented by the fanatics who are pushing it. I have said here before, I earned my MS in biology and coastal zone studies in 1992, and studied under some really smart profs, and none of them ever brought up the subject of global warming/climate change.

In order to do what climate change activists want to accomplish, the following must first be done:

1. Do away with national boundaries and force all nations to become subordinate to a global authority that will regulate each nation's compliance with global warming dictates.

2. Reduce the world population by at least 1/2 to take pressure off Mother Earth and its resources.

3. Outlaw fossil fuel use globally--if people can't get their energy from renewable sources, they won't have energy. The starvation and want created by such dictates will help reduce the global population as outlined in #2.

4. Regulate every aspect of human life as it pertains to CO2 emissions. When people find their carbon-taxes so burdensome, maybe they will just stop breathing, halting their own personal carbon emissions and contributing to the thrust of Item #2.

I am sure this list can be expanded, but I find none of it palatable. Extremism from any direction is very dangerous, and it is hard to not see  extremism in the climate change movement.
You, Pkr and myself all agree on this issue. All 3 of us have science degrees and backgrounds.

Some people are so politically motivated though the discussion will be attacked by fuzzy political data instead of sincere honest discussion.

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