Harry Reid’s ObamaCare confession: It is single payer healthcare

WASHINGTON, August 10, 2013 — "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has come out and told the truth. The Las Vegas Sun reports that Reid has said that Obamacare is simply a stepping-stone for single payer healthcare.
This is not a shock to anyone who has followed the attempts to nationalize our healthcare industry. It has been clear since 2009, and even after 1993’s Hillarycare.

Obamacare is a trainwreck because it was designed to fail. Its failure will push us into single payer.
Single payer means the government controls the healthcare industry. Private insurance is simply gone. Single payer will destroy an American industry, and in the process it will destroy the best healthcare system in the world.
The real danger for Americans is the politicization of healthcare. Every American should fear the idea of the government being in charge of our healthcare.
Why? It can be summed up in one “word”: IRS.
With the latest IRS scandal, we have seen how willing a Democratic administration is to abuse its power. A name that has become synonymous with the scandal is Lois Lerner.
In the 1990’s, before she was abusing tea party organizations, Lerner was abusing other conservatives. In 1996, Lerner was not with the IRS. She was with the Federal Election Commission. She waged a jihad against conservative candidates. In one instance, under her direction, the FEC filed suit against Al Salvi, a 1996 candidate for the Senate.
As the lawsuit progressed, Lerner offered to drop the lawsuit against Salvi if he promised never to run for political office again.
If presidents can use the IRS as a weapon against their enemies, and if someone like Lerner can abuse her power to force a man to give up his right as a citizen to run for office, it is not unthinkable that a president would use healthcare as a weapon against political enemies as well. The additional power that Obamacare gives government over our finances, and the vast amounts of patient information it will put in databases, give an administration enormous new powers to attack political enemies.

Liberals hate the free market. Economic liberty begets political independence and personal freedom. Free markets are the antithesis of political tyranny and the personal dependence on government that the left prefers.
Interestingly, as the left has tried to destroy insurance, the free market is working out for those willing to use it. Across the nation, doctors are beginning to drop insurance and go to a concierge style of practice where people pay a monthly fee to the doctor and then pay for doctors’ services at a fraction of what physicians charge insurance companies.
According to Forbes, 9.6 percent of American physicians who own their own practice are planning to drop Medicare and go to a concierge practice. Doctors who have done this report that they have slashed their overhead, need to see fewer patients, and get to spend more time with each patient.
And the cost for the patients is far less, too.
If we want to make medical coverage more affordable, the free market is a great system. It works. The socialist systems preferred by Reid and Obama have failed everywhere they have been tried. All that happens with single payer healthcare is that healthcare is rationed by politicians rather than by physicians and markets.
In Britain, which has had socialist healthcare since the end of the Second World War, is facing rationing of care and greater waiting times for surgeries and other treatments. While knee replacement surgeries in America are fairly routine, in the U.K. they are now delayed longer and longer because of budget cuts. Instead of using the free market to create efficiency and deliver quality healthcare, the U.K. clings to a system of central planning that has failed repeatedly.
This is the same system that Reid and Obama want to give America.
We should all be very afraid."


http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/judson-phillips-cold-hard-truth/2013/aug/10/harry-reids-confession/#ixzz2blaGrOGq

nochain wrote:WASHINGTON, August 10, 2013 — "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has come out and told the truth. The Las Vegas Sun reports that Reid has said that Obamacare is simply a stepping-stone for single payer healthcare.
This is not a shock to anyone who has followed the attempts to nationalize our healthcare industry. It has been clear since 2009, and even after 1993’s Hillarycare.

Obamacare is a trainwreck because it was designed to fail. Its failure will push us into single payer.
Single payer means the government controls the healthcare industry. Private insurance is simply gone. Single payer will destroy an American industry, and in the process it will destroy the best healthcare system in the world.
The real danger for Americans is the politicization of healthcare. Every American should fear the idea of the government being in charge of our healthcare.
Why? It can be summed up in one “word”: IRS.
With the latest IRS scandal, we have seen how willing a Democratic administration is to abuse its power. A name that has become synonymous with the scandal is Lois Lerner.
In the 1990’s, before she was abusing tea party organizations, Lerner was abusing other conservatives. In 1996, Lerner was not with the IRS. She was with the Federal Election Commission. She waged a jihad against conservative candidates. In one instance, under her direction, the FEC filed suit against Al Salvi, a 1996 candidate for the Senate.
As the lawsuit progressed, Lerner offered to drop the lawsuit against Salvi if he promised never to run for political office again.
If presidents can use the IRS as a weapon against their enemies, and if someone like Lerner can abuse her power to force a man to give up his right as a citizen to run for office, it is not unthinkable that a president would use healthcare as a weapon against political enemies as well. The additional power that Obamacare gives government over our finances, and the vast amounts of patient information it will put in databases, give an administration enormous new powers to attack political enemies.

Liberals hate the free market. Economic liberty begets political independence and personal freedom. Free markets are the antithesis of political tyranny and the personal dependence on government that the left prefers.
Interestingly, as the left has tried to destroy insurance, the free market is working out for those willing to use it. Across the nation, doctors are beginning to drop insurance and go to a concierge style of practice where people pay a monthly fee to the doctor and then pay for doctors’ services at a fraction of what physicians charge insurance companies.
According to Forbes, 9.6 percent of American physicians who own their own practice are planning to drop Medicare and go to a concierge practice. Doctors who have done this report that they have slashed their overhead, need to see fewer patients, and get to spend more time with each patient.
And the cost for the patients is far less, too.
If we want to make medical coverage more affordable, the free market is a great system. It works. The socialist systems preferred by Reid and Obama have failed everywhere they have been tried. All that happens with single payer healthcare is that healthcare is rationed by politicians rather than by physicians and markets.
In Britain, which has had socialist healthcare since the end of the Second World War, is facing rationing of care and greater waiting times for surgeries and other treatments. While knee replacement surgeries in America are fairly routine, in the U.K. they are now delayed longer and longer because of budget cuts. Instead of using the free market to create efficiency and deliver quality healthcare, the U.K. clings to a system of central planning that has failed repeatedly.
This is the same system that Reid and Obama want to give America.
We should all be very afraid."


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     Lost me at Harry Reid...."telling the truth".....

newswatcher wrote:

nochain wrote:WASHINGTON, August 10, 2013 — "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has come out and told the truth. The Las Vegas Sun reports that Reid has said that Obamacare is simply a stepping-stone for single payer healthcare.
This is not a shock to anyone who has followed the attempts to nationalize our healthcare industry. It has been clear since 2009, and even after 1993’s Hillarycare.

Obamacare is a trainwreck because it was designed to fail. Its failure will push us into single payer.
Single payer means the government controls the healthcare industry. Private insurance is simply gone. Single payer will destroy an American industry, and in the process it will destroy the best healthcare system in the world.
The real danger for Americans is the politicization of healthcare. Every American should fear the idea of the government being in charge of our healthcare.
Why? It can be summed up in one “word”: IRS.
With the latest IRS scandal, we have seen how willing a Democratic administration is to abuse its power. A name that has become synonymous with the scandal is Lois Lerner.
In the 1990’s, before she was abusing tea party organizations, Lerner was abusing other conservatives. In 1996, Lerner was not with the IRS. She was with the Federal Election Commission. She waged a jihad against conservative candidates. In one instance, under her direction, the FEC filed suit against Al Salvi, a 1996 candidate for the Senate.
As the lawsuit progressed, Lerner offered to drop the lawsuit against Salvi if he promised never to run for political office again.
If presidents can use the IRS as a weapon against their enemies, and if someone like Lerner can abuse her power to force a man to give up his right as a citizen to run for office, it is not unthinkable that a president would use healthcare as a weapon against political enemies as well. The additional power that Obamacare gives government over our finances, and the vast amounts of patient information it will put in databases, give an administration enormous new powers to attack political enemies.

Liberals hate the free market. Economic liberty begets political independence and personal freedom. Free markets are the antithesis of political tyranny and the personal dependence on government that the left prefers.
Interestingly, as the left has tried to destroy insurance, the free market is working out for those willing to use it. Across the nation, doctors are beginning to drop insurance and go to a concierge style of practice where people pay a monthly fee to the doctor and then pay for doctors’ services at a fraction of what physicians charge insurance companies.
According to Forbes, 9.6 percent of American physicians who own their own practice are planning to drop Medicare and go to a concierge practice. Doctors who have done this report that they have slashed their overhead, need to see fewer patients, and get to spend more time with each patient.
And the cost for the patients is far less, too.
If we want to make medical coverage more affordable, the free market is a great system. It works. The socialist systems preferred by Reid and Obama have failed everywhere they have been tried. All that happens with single payer healthcare is that healthcare is rationed by politicians rather than by physicians and markets.
In Britain, which has had socialist healthcare since the end of the Second World War, is facing rationing of care and greater waiting times for surgeries and other treatments. While knee replacement surgeries in America are fairly routine, in the U.K. they are now delayed longer and longer because of budget cuts. Instead of using the free market to create efficiency and deliver quality healthcare, the U.K. clings to a system of central planning that has failed repeatedly.
This is the same system that Reid and Obama want to give America.
We should all be very afraid."


http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/judson-phillips-cold-hard-truth/2013/aug/10/harry-reids-confession/#ixzz2blaGrOGq

     Lost me at Harry Reid...."telling the truth".....

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From the article NoChain posted:

"Across the nation, doctors are beginning to drop insurance and go to a concierge style of practice where people pay a monthly fee to the doctor and then pay for doctors’ services at a fraction of what physicians charge insurance companies.
According to Forbes, 9.6 percent of American physicians who own their own practice are planning to drop Medicare and go to a concierge practice. Doctors who have done this report that they have slashed their overhead, need to see fewer patients, and get to spend more time with each patient.
And the cost for the patients is far less, too."


..........and so we come full circle. This is the way medicine used to be practiced before insurance was even invented.

Nothing new here.

PBulldog2 wrote:From the article NoChain posted:

"Across the nation, doctors are beginning to drop insurance and go to a concierge style of practice where people pay a monthly fee to the doctor and then pay for doctors’ services at a fraction of what physicians charge insurance companies.
According to Forbes, 9.6 percent of American physicians who own their own practice are planning to drop Medicare and go to a concierge practice. Doctors who have done this report that they have slashed their overhead, need to see fewer patients, and get to spend more time with each patient.
And the cost for the patients is far less, too."


..........and so we come full circle. This is the way medicine used to be practiced before insurance was even invented.

Nothing new here.

But it's a real shame we had to take the path around the mountain.  It's not like the insurance companies haven't being abusing people for decades and in some cases putting good doctors essentially out of business because of high malpractice insurance rates...or dropping patients outright when they get sick, or leaving them in a limbo state while their disease progresses...or that people haven't just simply toughed it out because they couldn't get group insurance rates...so they didn't go to the doctor because it was more important to feed the family.  Or, the uglier side of the coin...doctors treating patients as profit centers...like the doctor who recently went down after administering too much chemo and radiation to his patients.  Single payer is and was the best option available, but how would all those GOP candidates get elected without payola from corrupt insurance executives and private for-profit prisons?

PBulldog2 wrote:From the article NoChain posted:

"Across the nation, doctors are beginning to drop insurance and go to a concierge style of practice where people pay a monthly fee to the doctor and then pay for doctors’ services at a fraction of what physicians charge insurance companies.
According to Forbes, 9.6 percent of American physicians who own their own practice are planning to drop Medicare and go to a concierge practice. Doctors who have done this report that they have slashed their overhead, need to see fewer patients, and get to spend more time with each patient.
And the cost for the patients is far less, too."


..........and so we come full circle. This is the way medicine used to be practiced before insurance was even invented.

Nothing new here.

Healthcare is a service... good health in the vast majority of instances is just the result of thousands of personal decisions.

I'm glad to see you say that tho PB... our current system is now exactly what it was manipulated to be by corps/govt.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Isn't the Washington Times founded by the late Sung Myung Moon?

Z, really, don't bother attacking the messenger...if it wasn't the WT, it'd be Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh...why don't people realize they're being brainwashed?

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Wasn't the Washington Times founded by the late Sung Myung Moon?

Do you have a problem with Forbes, which has an article about the same story or do you think Harry Reid simply didn't say this?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/08/10/sen-harry-reid-obamacare-absolutely-a-step-toward-a-single-payer-system/

Nekochan wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Wasn't the Washington Times founded by the late Sung Myung Moon?

Do you have a problem with Forbes, which has an article about the same story or do you think Harry Reid simply didn't say this?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/08/10/sen-harry-reid-obamacare-absolutely-a-step-toward-a-single-payer-system/

Flawed and Z hate anything that didn't originate with Rolling Stoned magazine - their preferred news source. They hate Moon because he was a rabid anti-communist, totally at odds with their political beliefs. They will find some reason to disregard the Forbes article and the fact of Reids statement because, in short, they are typical uninformed libertards.

OK, here's the response from Don McCanne of the Physicians for a National Health Program- http//:www.pnhp.org


Comment:  Wow! Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid predicts that Congress will eventually end the private insurance-based financing system, acknowledging that "a tremendous number of people wanted a single-payer system." What can we make of this?

We can only guess at the politics behind his statements, but the policy implications are monumental. He not only expresses the view, held by both liberals and conservatives, that employer-sponsored plans must be replaced, he also departs from some conservatives by implying that the private insurance-based system should be eliminated, replacing it with a single payer system.

Is this just a sop to single payer advocates? He and the other Democrats have continued to advocate vigorously for Obamacare. They have enough problems with the intense campaign mounted by the Republicans to repeal it. The efforts by single payer activists to educate the nation on the severe policy deficiencies of Obamacare certainly are a thorn in their side as they try to implement the program. If they could get single payer supporters to believe that Obamacare is an incremental step toward single payer, then maybe they could enlist our cooperation, or at least silence us for the time being.

Well, Obamacare departed in an entirely different direction from single payer, expanding the fragmentation and administrative complexity which are the opposite of the efficiencies that a single payer system would bring us. Obamacare is not an incremental step towards single payer.

In the meantime, conservatives will jump on Reid's comments as proof of the conspiracy theory that all along Obamacare was a ruse to get us to single payer. Some ruse! It sets up a system that requires only a simple bill to remove tax expenditure incentives from employer-sponsored plans, freeing up individuals to rely on their own shopping skills to purchase the "highest quality and lowest cost" plans in the marketplace. We already know from decades of experience with private insurance markets what a terrible idea that is - much higher costs for poorer quality plans. Yet this "ruse" feeds right into the agenda of some conservatives who would keep government out of health care financing as much as possible.

The lesson here is that we cannot sit back and simply allow the "inevitable" transformation from employer-sponsored plans to single payer take place on its own. We still have to overcome the inertia of, "Yes, single pager would be the ideal system, but it's not politically feasible at this time." Thus this is not a time to relax because we won the contest of ideas. This is a time to greatly intensify our advocacy efforts so the nation understands why single payer is the reform that really will work.

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While I tend to think that the ACA is the first step toward a single payer system (national health insurance), I agree with Dr. McCanne when he states the ACA didn't go far enough. I, too am concerned that Reid's comments may be an effort to pacify supporters of single payer.

We shall see.

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I hope Harry Reid did say it and I hope he means it. Single payer is the only system that is going to work in the long run.
Did anyone see John Oliver's interview with Rand Paul a couple of nights ago? Rand Paul told Oliver he probably left England because of the healtcare system. Oliver put him down immediately. He said that if he ever got really sick he'd hop on a plane and fly back to England where he'd get better care then he would here in the US.
I loved it.
As a matter of fact, I haven't missed Jon Stewart for a minute with Oliver in that chair.

Designed to fail... any idiot knew it. So here we have the leftists using a subversive tactic to socialize one fifth of the economy.

Is anyone surprised? I sure as hell don't see any opposition with a pulse... pardon the pun. The end justifies the means.

She was with the Federal Election Commission. She waged a jihad against conservative candidates. In one instance, under her direction, the FEC filed suit against Al Salvi, a 1996 candidate for the Senate.

How about somebody cutting and pasting something they understand. Why don't you look up who Al Salvi is......I have met him personally........there is a reason why he will never run for office again......geez......folks are clueless. He is a slimeball ambulance chasing dishonest person who when he ran for Secretary of State gave numbered tickets to SOS employees and tracked who contributed and who did not.......he will never run for office again.