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DAmn Snowden must be a hero..look what he gave up to wake up the stupid sheeples...

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TEOTWAWKI
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Nekochan

Nekochan

http://www.wkyc.com/news/national/302804/22/Edward-Snowden-fired-by-contractor-over-NSA-leak


The consulting firm Booz Allen issued a statement Tuesday confirming that Edward Snowden, 29, was an employee of the firm for less than 3 months, assigned to a team in Hawaii.

The statement says Snowden had a salary rate of $122,000 -- and was terminated Monday "for violations of the firm's code of ethics and firm policy."

Snowden, a former technical analyst for the CIA, revealed Sunday that he was the source of leaks detailing surveillance efforts involving National Security Agency collection of phone and Internet data. He has said he is hiding in Hong Kong.

In an interview with The Guardian last week, Snowden described a comfortable lifestyle and $200,000 salary from Booz Allen, of McLean, Va., and a home in Hawaii that he shared with a girlfriend. He told the paper his main fear was the U.S. government would come after his family, his friends and his partner.

Nekochan

Nekochan

$122,000 in Hawaii is probably like $60,000 in Pensacola. Now I know that $60,000 in Pensacola isn't bad money, but you are not living the high life that he seems to claim he was living.
OK, Bob, you cheapskate you claim to be--you probably COULD live the high life on 60K, but you know what I mean, lol.

Sal

Sal

His whole story is just weird.

He never even completed high school, joined the Army but was discharged after breaking both legs in a training accident, went to a community college where he got his GED but took none of the courses they offered in “cyber-related security” or courses in the school’s NSA-certified “Information Systems Security” program, got a job as a security guard at the NSA, then started bouncing around as an IT guy from the CIA, to several intelligence contractors, back to the NSA, and finally to Booz Allen Hamilton where he claims to have been given full security clearance.

Not impossible, but certainly seems unusual to say the least.

And, that ain't because Obama told me to think so.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

RON PAUL: “The Fourth Amendment is clear; we should be secure in
our persons, houses, papers, and effects, and all warrants must have
probable cause. Today the government operates largely in secret, while
seeking to know everything about our private lives – without probable
cause and without a warrant. The government does not need to know more
about what we are doing. We need to know more about what the government
is doing.”

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

On the way to AL listening to an expert on N.PR.
Snowden was a systems admin which gave him acresaccess to a lot of information

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Nekochan

Nekochan

How would a system administrator be able to order a wiretap on anyone?
In fact, how would any contractor be able to order a wiretap?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

No idea. I'm just explaining how he had access

Nekochan

Nekochan

Bob wrote:No idea. I'm just explaining how he had access

I am not so sure he had access to everything he claims. Could he listen to President Obama's conversations? I don't think so.

I also do not think a defense contractor can order a wire tap.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I have been working with IT people for years now...it is flat amazing the software that is out there and some of it already has backdoors built in to it. The only thing is not how they do it but the enormous amount of data they do collect so easily. It would take a super computer to process it..oh that's right they got lots of those.

Nekochan

Nekochan

I believe you Teo....I just don't think I believe everything this guy is saying.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I don't believe ANYTHING the Federal government says AT ALL.

2seaoat



I really do not have enough information to determine if he has heroic motives, but I have certainty he will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law......he will suffer from his decision, and no president will be able to commute or pardon, because that opens the door for somebody who leaks information which causes real harm, to think hero status will save him.....this game is sadly locked and loaded, and he put himself in the crosshairs......and if he fully understood this and proceeded with his decision......he may not be a hero......but he is one determined individual who believes he is correct. My problem is that I have had this discussion with a reserve general for 15 years....long before 911 on the collection capability of our computers in creating context for intelligence......its like really? You did not know they were collecting data? really?

Sal

Sal

2seaoat wrote:I really do not have enough information to determine if he has heroic motives, but I have certainty he will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law......he will suffer from his decision, and no president will be able to commute or pardon, because that opens the door for somebody who leaks information which causes real harm, to think hero status will save him.....this game is sadly locked and loaded, and he put himself in the crosshairs......and if he fully understood this and proceeded with his decision......he may not be a hero......but he is one determined individual who believes he is correct. My problem is that I have had this discussion with a reserve general for 15 years....long before 911 on the collection capability of our computers in creating context for intelligence......its like really? You did not know they were collecting data? really?

How is he a hero?

He just told us what we already knew.

The only surprising thing might be the extent to which it's being done.

I have a feeling he's not that bright and is looking for a book deal, and is anticipating George Clooney portraying him heroically in a spy movie.

Color me unimpressed.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Tone it down, Bob. You're giving cocksuckers a bad name!



Bob wrote:And now some gutless wonder working at Booz Allen (or whatever it's called) is reading your and my posts.

Hey, Booz Allen dipshit, I say you're a stinking lowlife scumbag who'll do any job for money. Why don't you get a real job like flipping burgers at McDonalds and do something worthwhile with your life you sorry son of a cocksucking bitch.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

So far I cannot detect an alterior motive for Snowden doing this.  And now we have the father of his girlfriend telling us "he's always had firm convictions about what he believes is right and wrong".

Here's what I think after learning more about all this.  I think Snowden made some misstatements and maybe made use of some exaggeration in his interview with the Guardian. 
And I also think his detractors have very conveniently used that in their attempts to demonize him. 
I stand by what I said yesterday.  When you weigh the sacrifice he made to do what he thought was right with the mealy mouthed crap coming from all the armchair types who never put anything on the line when they run their mouths,  then I come down firmly on his side.
I also don't see any evidence of how this massive surveillance of ALL Americans is accomplishing what it claims it can.  And in the absense of that I think Snowden is right,  it's an unwarranted invasion of our privacy that is ripe for abuse.

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:it's an unwarranted invasion of our privacy that is ripe for abuse.



Actually, it's not.

Anything you put out on the internet has to go through a third party so you can have no expectation of the right to privacy.

Maybe, you think you should, and I might agree with you, but as the law is written today you just don't.

Only Congress can do something about that.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:

Only Congress can do something about that.
Congress has become an expensive useless self-serving wad of nothingness which accomplishes nothing.

If we have to endure this invasion of privacy then my solution would be that we fight fire with fire.  We need to pool our resources and ban together and hire some very talented hackers to start invading the privacy of these government assholes,  particulary members of congress and the administration.  I want a complete record of all their phone calls and emails.

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:
Congress has become an expensive useless self-serving wad of nothingness which accomplishes nothing.

If we have to endure this invasion of privacy then my solution would be that we fight fire with fire.  We need to pool our resources and ban together and hire some very talented hackers to start invading the privacy of these government assholes,  particulary members of congress and the administration.  I want a complete record of all their phone calls and emails.






Sounds like a plan.

I hear these guys are good ...

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Bob wrote:
Sal wrote:

Only Congress can do something about that.


Congress has become an expensive useless self-serving wad of nothingness which accomplishes nothing.

If we have to endure this invasion of privacy then my solution would be that we fight fire with fire.  We need to pool our resources and ban together and hire some very talented hackers to start invading the privacy of these government assholes,  particulary members of congress and the administration.  I want a complete record of all their phone calls and emails.


Some already have Bob they are Bradley Manning and Snowden and that Alsante guy...see what it got them ?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

These assholes are squatting in our backyard.  That's a good target to start hacking.

https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF-8&q=booz+allen+hamilton+pensacola+fl&fb=1&gl=us&hq=booz+allen+hamilton&hnear=0x8890bf45accbaabb:0xa7c69a6e3179657c,Pensacola,+FL&cid=0,0,115475906867433658&ei=4YG4UbWcDObq0AHFloDgCg&ved=0CJgBEPwSMAE



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Bob wrote:
Sal wrote:

Only Congress can do something about that.
Congress has become an expensive useless self-serving wad of nothingness which accomplishes nothing.

If we have to endure this invasion of privacy then my solution would be that we fight fire with fire.  We need to pool our resources and ban together and hire some very talented hackers to start invading the privacy of these government assholes,  particulary members of congress and the administration.  I want a complete record of all their phone calls and emails.

The funny difference is that it would be perfectly constitutional to monitor a govt employees activities on the job. It goes to the campaign reform we always go on about... limit/restrict/hold accountable the candidates... not private citizens free associating or peaceable assembling their money and message. Who's working for who here?

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-why

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Yella

Yella

This dude will probably disappear without a trace or clue.

http://warpedinblue,blogspot.com/

Sal

Sal

It's not being reported in the main stream press here (because it not even a little bit actual news), but his latest revelation is that we're also spying on China ...

Snowden said that according to unverified documents seen by the Post, the NSA had been hacking computers in Hong Kong and on the mainland since 2009. None of the documents revealed any information about Chinese military systems, he said. One of the targets in the SAR, according to Snowden, was Chinese University and public officials, businesses and students in the city. The documents also point to hacking activity by the NSA against mainland targets.
Snowden believed there had been more than 61,000 NSA hacking operations globally, with hundreds of targets in Hong Kong and on the mainland. "We hack network backbones – like huge internet routers, basically – that give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one," he said.
"Last week the American government happily operated in the shadows with no respect for the consent of the governed, but no longer. Every level of society is demanding accountability and oversight."

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1259508/edward-snowden-us-government-has-been-hacking-hong-kong-and-china

Spying on China?


Really??


This is supposed to come as some kinda surprise?


I'm really starting to form the opinion that this guy is nothing more than a self-promoting, douche-nozzle, fame whore.

Nekochan

Nekochan

The more I see and read about him, the less I like him.  
The latest I read about him indicates that he lied about his military service.

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