The undeniable fruits of liberal welfare policies...

Bob wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Bob Russia killed off 10s of millions of their useless eaters as did China and to a lesser degree Vietnam. They are still functioning and probably those at the top wish they had killed more....The plan has been in the works for centuries to geoengineer and socially engineer a new world. The masses of people in the world are like protozoa in a petri dish to the elites. They experiment on us in a very similar manner and have found out most of us are quite predictable. They are now using that to continue their plan for a peaceful new world where there is no concept of god except as relates to them and their offspring...... the remainder of us will be playing the hunger games for their amusement....

I've heard Alex Jones constantly refer to the "elites" too.

If it's all going to come down to the "elites" and the "protozoa", then the only sensible thing for me is to stop being a protozoa and become a part of the elites.
How do people become elites I wonder. Do you think there's an initiation process?

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

I think you have to be born into it for the most part but you could become a Satan worshipper and see if he will grandfather you in.

PkrBum wrote:No... we discussed it during the last conspiracy meeting. You're out Bob... have a nice day.

PkrBum wrote:I'll try.

If you want the govt to force people to comply with your subjective ideas and whim... you're a progressive.

If you want the govt and people to mind their own fucking biz if you're causing no harm... you're a libertarian.

knothead wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
C'mon, Teo...get real. Detriot's demise was in the works for decades. Part of it was done by the auto industry itself...planned obsolescence...the other part had to do with the public being just not so interested in buying American cars anymore, partly because Detriot hadn't kept up...I don't know enough about the auto unions to say they were corrupt, but it wouldn't surprise me...the gasoline crisis didn't help, but a large number of people were apparently in denial about the depth of that crisis, because the auto industry was building, and people were buying, SUV's in large numbers...not known for their fuel economy...or safety.

Many of the industries associated with automobiles were moved overseas or became something else due to leveraged buyouts. Foreign companies began to compete by offering more innovative products, and people bought them for that reason, even though, if you'll recall, getting parts and maintenance on them could be a nightmare.

I could go on, but I almost can't get over how inane your premise is in attacking "liberals" for the demise of the Rust Belt.

I am a Libertarian..I hate both parties equally. I think most women gravitate towards Democrat because they just transfer their daddy love to daddy government....they would trust and still love daddy government as it walks them to the edge of a pit and shoots them in the head...

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So you claim to be a Libertarian huh? That's the same as a fence sitter or a person who withdraws to a political position with opaque lines . . . . . you can be anything you say when you say. . . . . . . I AM A LIBERTARIAN!!!! Big freaking deal, get in the game and get off the fence for God's sake. I call Bull shit!!!

Markle wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:C'mon, Teo...get real. Detriot's demise was in the works for decades. Part of it was done by the auto industry itself...planned obsolescence...the other part had to do with the public being just not so interested in buying American cars anymore, partly because Detriot hadn't kept up...I don't know enough about the auto unions to say they were corrupt, but it wouldn't surprise me...the gasoline crisis didn't help, but a large number of people were apparently in denial about the depth of that crisis, because the auto industry was building, and people were buying, SUV's in large numbers...not known for their fuel economy...or safety.

Many of the industries associated with automobiles were moved overseas or became something else due to leveraged buyouts. The steel industry collapsed.*
Foreign companies began to compete by offering more innovative products, and people bought them for that reason, even though, if you'll recall, getting parts and maintenance on them could be a nightmare. Then there was NAFTA.

I could go on, but I almost can't get over how inane your premise is in attacking "liberals" for the demise of the Rust Belt.
*http://www.thebhc.org/publications/BEHprint/v025n1/p0217-p0231.pdf


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"Never mind"...one more thing...a question...Which came first, the loss of jobs in Michigan, or the welfare state?

Other than Democrats, what political party has been in charge of Detroit, the Auto Unions, the Steel Unions, the Steel Cities, and other cities in the Rust Belt? The Auto Unions and Steel Unions pushed up the cost of production to the point the steel industry moved over seas as did auto building. At least until they started building cars in right to work states.

2seaoat wrote:He had a cool sales pitch for selling the stuff. To convince the customers how safe Roundup was for humans, he would actually pour some in a glass and drink it in front of them

No wonder they can not grow grass over his grave.

Bob wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

I think you have to be born into it for the most part but you could become a Satan worshipper and see if he will grandfather you in.

Well I was born a protozoa so that part is out. And I remember a guy who sold his soul to the devil in a Twilight Zone episode. I think it was Jack Klugman. The devil made him be as good a pool player as Minnesota Fats (played by Jonathan Winters) and all Klugman had to do in return was give the devil his soul. It's been so long that it's vague in my memory now, but I think the way it turned out it was not a good deal for Klugman. The being Minnesota Fats was cool. But giving up the soul caused him some serious problems if I remember right.
I'll try to come up with a different way to get into the Elites. Maybe I can bribe one of them to let me in. That has worked for me on occassion in the past.

2seaoat wrote:This analysis is a bit simplistic. I worked for a bearing manufacturer who in the mid sixties moved their bearing plant from Detroit. They were looking to diversify and lower labor costs. They build three plants in rural America, and they cut their labor costs by 50%, and were able to get economic development incentives from other states who paid the company to move to their state. I worked at one of these roller bearing plants in the midwest between finishing my BA and finishing my MA and thesis. I was working 13 straight days, getting paid time and a half on Saturdays, and double time on Sundays.......I was socking money away and the local small midwest town was booming with over 400 jobs which were the best paying jobs in town. This was 1974.

In 1976 after finishing my degree and looking for a position with a college, I put an application in with an urban bearing plant, also located in the midwest. I was immediately was hired as a machinist, even though I had a masters degree. I was paid double of what I was getting in the rural roller bearing plant which fled Detroit. I also was only running about a third of the machines I ran at the non union plant. The new plant was UAW. They moved me into the office after 3 months and I began a new career, but I watched half the production like the other bearing plant move from the urban area to Ky......where like the move from Detroit, they were able to reduce labor costs in half. The problem was in the next 15 years those plants were moved to Mexico and China, and all the American jobs were gone. This also happened to the original plant which left Detroit.

Now we could argue that what happened to Detroit was Progressive give aways.......that certainly is part of the answer. We could argue that part of the problem was that the huge success of 1920-1940 Detroit has simply aged and need tremendous investments in capital to restore its infrastructure, but the truth is that wealth will always maximize their return of capital.....always....without some calibration by society.....and in the end as wealth discounted the importance of labor.....we had a 30 year period of abandonment of union plants for rural right to work and prosperity in rural right to work states, but then the unthinkable......the abandonment of America........and by that time we were out of the scapegoats of liberals and unions.......we only had to blame ourselves for the misguided policies of 50 years of unfettered tax incentives to gut American wealth and factories.

So, yes.....Detroit does represent failures.....but Germany puts the importance of labor, training, and improved median income as a societal goal.....and yes that highly successful Germany.....pays more to their workers by 10 buck an hour in wages and benefits than the United States.......They live in cities which are hundreds of years of age and have not been sacked by out of control capitalism on one end, and selfish self serving short term Union environments which have more to do with getting mine than long term prosperity. In between these extremes lies common sense and hope.....it is time to quit this on size fits all analysis and begin seeking the truth.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:


I have a friend that flies to Germany for his dental work because it's cheaper to fly there and get the treatment than it is just to get the treatment here...

Bob wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:


I have a friend that flies to Germany for his dental work because it's cheaper to fly there and get the treatment than it is just to get the treatment here...

I talked to someone today who lives half the year in Costa Rica. People are going down there for the more expensive dental work too. The doctors are trained in American medical schools so it's not like 3rd world medicine. And you can go down there and get the dental work and enjoy a vacation and the whole thing doesn't cost more than going to a local dentist.
And when it comes to street crime and stuff, I was told a crime study revealed that Costa Rica ranked second in safety only to Canada amongst all the nations of North, South and Central America.
And it's a democracy.
About the only negative he said was the roads suck. But if you have a 4-wheel drive you can still get around.
I've never had a notion to leave the country but that guy made me really be thinking about it.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

It costs a lot more to live in Germany.

Bob wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Bob Russia killed off 10s of millions of their useless eaters as did China and to a lesser degree Vietnam. They are still functioning and probably those at the top wish they had killed more....The plan has been in the works for centuries to geoengineer and socially engineer a new world. The masses of people in the world are like protozoa in a petri dish to the elites. They experiment on us in a very similar manner and have found out most of us are quite predictable. They are now using that to continue their plan for a peaceful new world where there is no concept of god except as relates to them and their offspring...... the remainder of us will be playing the hunger games for their amusement....

I've heard Alex Jones constantly refer to the "elites" too.

If it's all going to come down to the "elites" and the "protozoa", then the only sensible thing for me is to stop being a protozoa and become a part of the elites.
How do people become elites I wonder. Do you think there's an initiation process?

Dreamsglore wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

It costs a lot more to live in Germany.

I have a friend that flies to Germany for his dental work because it's cheaper to fly there and get the treatment than it is just to get the treatment here...