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Pensacola Discussion Forum » Politics » The big news this morning. Obama wants to cut entitlements in exchange for tax increases. What say you fellow babies (and fellow geezers)?

The big news this morning. Obama wants to cut entitlements in exchange for tax increases. What say you fellow babies (and fellow geezers)?

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

the medicare part from the washington post...

"Analysts who have seen early drafts of the budget proposal say the president was considering cuts to Medicare through reducing payments to health care providers but also by requiring wealthier beneficiaries to pay more out of pocket."



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Guest


Guest

"wealthier beneficiaries to pay more out of pocket."

Woot!!! Woot!!! Sock it to them rich folks. Just give me mine.. Being I aint wealthier it is a moot point for me.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

also from the Post...

"Many Democrats say they are opposed to any Social Security cuts and are likely to be furious that such cuts are now being proposed as official administration policy."

I tried to tell Sal the other day, there is NO will in this country to do "austerity".
Mark my words this is all a dog and pony show. Obama knows the democrats won't accept medicare and social security cuts. And he knows republicans won't accept any new tax increases. So it will go nowhere and Obama knows it. It just let's Obama say "see I tried and that's all I can do".

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:

I tried to tell Sal the other day, there is NO will in this country to do "austerity".
Mark my words this is all a dog and pony show. Obama knows the democrats won't accept medicare and social security cuts. And he knows republicans won't accept any new tax increases. So it will go nowhere and Obama knows it. It just let's Obama say "see I tried and that's all I can do".


No, Bob.

That's incorrect.

The only people who could possibly be surprised by this are the FAUX News mob.

This President has been obsessed with some sorta grand bargain for a long time.

He is who he says he is.

Despite all the howling about socialism, and communism, and marxism, Obama is a pragmatic centrist, obsessed with the dream of bipartisan compromise and cementing his legacy.

He discussed his governing philosophy before he even became POTUS in The Audacity of Hope, if you could pull your nose out of FAUX's asshole long enough to put it into an actual book.

I dare you to read it.

The far left will be apoplectic over this.

Am I happy about it?

No, but I'm not surprised.

If he offers the Republicans chained CPI and Medicare cuts, and they still reject the deal (and they very well might because they are INSANE), then it's clear who's to blame.

If the Republicans do take that deal, I will be angry at entitlements being cut unnecessarily, but happy about the defeat of the insane contingent of the GOP and their obstructionist agenda.

Guest


Guest

So Bob, you think that social security is an entitlement since everyone has started to refer to it as such? I have worked since 13 years old, now 65 and paid into the system a long time and will never see all the money I have paid in. This is not an entitlement IT IS MINE.

all mine, all mine, all mine lol cheers

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

doubtingthomas wrote: This is not an entitlement IT IS MINE.


English Language Class 101

I think if it is YOURS.... then you are ENTITLED to it. And if you are ENTITLED to it, it should be YOURS.

I think both words indicate the same concept don't they?
Or is there something I'm missing here? lol

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:
No, Bob.

That's incorrect.

The only people who could possibly be surprised by this are the FAUX News mob.

This President has been obsessed with some sorta grand bargain for a long time.

He is who he says he is.

Despite all the howling about socialism, and communism, and marxism, Obama is a pragmatic centrist, obsessed with the dream of bipartisan compromise and cementing his legacy.

He discussed his governing philosophy before he even became POTUS in The Audacity of Hope, if you could pull your nose out of FAUX's asshole long enough to put it into an actual book.

I dare you to read it.

The far left will be apoplectic over this.

Am I happy about it?

No, but I'm not surprised.

If he offers the Republicans chained CPI and Medicare cuts, and they still reject the deal (and they very well might because they are INSANE), then it's clear who's to blame.

If the Republicans do take that deal, I will be angry at entitlements being cut unnecessarily, but happy about the defeat of the insane contingent of the GOP and their obstructionist agenda. [/font]

1. "I dare you to read it."

You'll win that dare because I don't read anything that's book length. And especially not celebrity autobiographies.
I don't have the attention span for it.
I might want to read a synopsis or a wiki page on it, however.

2. "The far left will be apoplectic over it"
"Am I happy about it? No."
"I will be angry at entitlements being cut unnecessarily"

3. "No Bob. That's incorrect"

See number 2. lol

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:

2. "The far left will be apoplectic over it"
"Am I happy about it? No."
"I will be angry at entitlements being cut unnecessarily"

3. "No Bob. That's incorrect"

See number 2. lol


Do you see what he did there?







'Cause I don't.
Did I just get zinged and didn't know it?
lol

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

What I said before is, it will never be accepted. Both because the left will not accept entitlement cuts. And the right will not accept tax increases.
AND, as you correctly pointed out, also because the right has now so defined Obama as the demon and the devil and the antichrist, the symbol of socialism and communism and the ruination of America; that even if they wanted to accept this compromise, they cannot be in the position of ANY compromise with Obama. They will see that as surrender.

You then replied that I was not correct.
But then in almost the same breath immediately supported my argument with the quotes I pulled out in "number 2".

The point is, that you are a typical example of the left's response to this.
The left is too invested politically in defending against entitlement cuts. They are not gonna back down on that.
JUST AS the right is too heavily invested in fighting ANY tax increases.

The result is that this aint gonna happen because of that.

Does that help?




Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:What I said before is, it will never be accepted. Both because the left will not accept entitlement cuts. And the right will not accept tax increases.
AND, as you correctly pointed out, also because the right has now so defined Obama as the demon and the devil and the antichrist, the symbol of socialism and communism and the ruination of America; that even if they wanted to accept this compromise, they cannot be in the position of ANY compromise with Obama. They will see that as surrender.

You then replied that I was not correct.
But then in almost the same breath immediately supported my argument with the quotes I pulled out in "number 2".

The point is, that you are a typical example of the left's response to this.
The left is too invested politically in defending against entitlement cuts. They are not gonna back down on that.
JUST AS the right is too heavily invested in fighting ANY tax increases.

The result is that this aint gonna happen because of that.

Does that help?





No.

Just more BS.

Maybe, I should have used the word "displeased" instead of "angry" to describe my reaction.

IF this doesn't go through, it will be due totally to Republican obstruction.

Obama is more than willing to bully the unhappy members of his party to support this, because he really believes in it.

It's part of his governing philosophy.

I don't agree with it, but it is what it is.

What does he get in response?

“If the president believes these modest entitlement savings are needed to help shore up these programs, there’s no reason they should be held hostage for more tax hikes.”
- John Boehner this morning

That must be because both side do it?

Rolling Eyes

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

You nailed it. It's "all BS". lol

It will go from BS to something else ONLY when it goes beyond talk and becomes action. And action in this case is defined by the vote in Congress.
If it goes from talk to action, I'll eat my words.
But if you were here in the house with me right now you would not see me in the kitchen getting the salt and pepper out. lol

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Additionally, how this plays out will also settle that argument you and I have.
The one about how you say there is a mood for "austerity" in the country and I say there's not.
We'll see who's right.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

By the way, I think you have an unfair advantage in these debates by using the bold fonts. That makes your arguments look stronger. lol

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:Additionally, how this plays out will also settle that argument you and I have.
The one about how you say there is a mood for "austerity" in the country and I say there's not.
We'll see who's right.


Don't put words in my mouth.

I said austerity is all they talk about.

I'm well aware that when it comes to putting any specificity to cuts, both parties wilt.

My point is that almost no one is talking about the REAL problem confronting the economy, which is unemployment.

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:You nailed it. It's "all BS". lol

It will go from BS to something else ONLY when it goes beyond talk and becomes action. And action in this case is defined by the vote in Congress.
If it goes from talk to action, I'll eat my words.
But if you were here in the house with me right now you would not see me in the kitchen getting the salt and pepper out. lol

So when the POTUS puts a proposal on the table that contains precisely what the Republicans demanded, and they refuse to even discuss it, it's both side's fault because the Dems wouldn't have voted for it anyway?

Gotcha.

That's some creative thinking.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

[quote="Sal"]
Bob wrote:
So when the POTUS puts a proposal on the table that contains precisely what the Republicans demanded, and they refuse to even discuss it, it's both side's fault because the Dems wouldn't have voted for it anyway?

Gotcha.

That's some creative thinking.

Well actually the creative thinking kicks in when I now point out that Obama himself created this Presidential Commission...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Fiscal_Responsibility_and_Reform

... and then when it came up with a bipartisan solution, Obama then told the whole thing to go fuck itself.

So I stick by my "they both suck" position. lol

Sal

Sal

Pffft.

The commission itself didn't even endorse it.

Guest


Guest

I would do drastic cuts on both ends and meet in the middle.. For the middle class..
Everybody would hate me but in a few years the problems would be solved..

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Lurch wrote:I would do drastic cuts on both ends and meet in the middle.. For the middle class..
Everybody would hate me but in a few years the problems would be solved..

That is what Gary Johnson or Ron Paul would have done.

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:Pffft.

The commission itself didn't even endorse it.

I supported that compromise.

And I support the compromise we're discussing today.

I support all these compromises for two reasons.

One, unlike you, I'm convinced the continuation of borrowing and spending at the level it's at now will become a problem and a big problem with time.

And two, I realize that the ONLY thing that's even possible politically are these attempts to control growth in the increase. So if that's all that we can even hope for, then it has to start somewhere. The alternative is for it to continue unchecked for the foreseeable future.

So I'm willing to accept a personal sacrifice in the level of entitlements I now receive (SS) and will begin receiving next year (Medicare) if it's accompanied with equal sacrifice by those who can afford to provide more revenues.

So that's my own position on it.



Guest


Guest

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Lurch wrote:I would do drastic cuts on both ends and meet in the middle.. For the middle class..
Everybody would hate me but in a few years the problems would be solved..

That is what Gary Johnson or Ron Paul would have done.

I guess that's why I like them so much..

stormwatch89

stormwatch89

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Lurch wrote:I would do drastic cuts on both ends and meet in the middle.. For the middle class..
Everybody would hate me but in a few years the problems would be solved..

That is what Gary Johnson or Ron Paul would have done.

Agreed.

Anyone hoping to retire on the gobermint is in for a sad let down.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

[quote="Bob"]
Sal wrote:
Bob wrote:
So when the POTUS puts a proposal on the table that contains precisely what the Republicans demanded, and they refuse to even discuss it, it's both side's fault because the Dems wouldn't have voted for it anyway?

Gotcha.

That's some creative thinking.

Well actually the creative thinking kicks in when I now point out that Obama himself created this Presidential Commission...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Fiscal_Responsibility_and_Reform

... and then when it came up with a bipartisan solution, Obama then told the whole thing to go fuck itself.

So I stick by my "they both suck" position. lol

The Simpson-Bowles COMMISSION may have been bipartisan, but the PLAN was anything but. Obama had no choice but to reject the outcome.

Guest


Guest

doubtingthomas wrote:So Bob, you think that social security is an entitlement since everyone has started to refer to it as such? I have worked since 13 years old, now 65 and paid into the system a long time and will never see all the money I have paid in. This is not an entitlement IT IS MINE.

all mine, all mine, all mine lol cheers

That made me laugh!

Guest


Guest

There won't be drastic cuts to the middle class social security. If there are any cuts it will be to the rich or wealthy who would be eligible. And yes, people will be retiring on their social security.It's all many of them have.

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