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Obama - 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen'

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There has never been a better example of just how little our POTUS knows about running a business or what it takes to make one succeed.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/jul/15/picketvideo-obama-if-youve-got-business-you-didnt-/

Markle

Markle

alecto wrote:There has never been a better example of just how little our POTUS knows about running a business or what it takes to make one succeed.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/jul/15/picketvideo-obama-if-youve-got-business-you-didnt-/

President Barack Hussein Obama is openly appealing to the lowest level of his voter base. Those who believe that if I earn $120,000 this year, it somehow came out of their pocket.

These are the folks in the circle of President Barack Hussein Obama who teach, believe and advocate his Socialist theory.

Obama - 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen' ObamaFriends-1

Then, of course, there are others.

Sal

Sal

Here's what Obama actually said;

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

Now, for a one-question IQ test:

What was Obama saying that the individual business owner did not build?

Take all the time you need. scratch

Markle

Markle

salinsky wrote:Here's what Obama actually said;

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

Now, for a one-question IQ test:

What was Obama saying that the individual business owner did not build?

Take all the time you need.[/font] scratch

Self avowed radical Communist Van Jones.
Obama - 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen' VanJones

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Here's something else to think about. Many of these successful people claim to have made it on their own. Sure, they put in long hours, possibly took out loans they weren't sure how they were going to repay but they took a chance on themselves and their idea. Fine. We all give them credit for that.
Here's what is often overlooked though. There is a huge amount of support for business in this country in the form of infrastructure that we just take for granted. I'm talking about the power grid, the transportation and communication systems, clean water to drink and an educated work force. These are things that we all helped to create. Public education, federal, state and county highways, etc.
To see just how important this sort of thing is just ask someone who is trying to help say, Afghanistan put together an economy or start a business. Look at all the trouble, effort, money and time that goes into creating these things. The "I did it all myself" business people need to give the public sector a lot more credit for their accomplishments which would not have been possible had it not been for public money that went toward the systems that they so readily use. Try to start a business in a largely illiterate country and see how hard it is.

Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:

Self avowed radical Communist Van Jones.
Obama - 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen' VanJones

Awww, sorry Markie, that answer is incorrect. We would've given partial credit for "internet", but the correct answer was "roads and bridges". I regret to inform you that your IQ has been scored at the "sack of hammers" level. Too bad. How embarrassing! But, don't despair. In a special outreach to the intellectually impaired, I'm offering a bonus question that might improve your score. Here it is:

How high will your blood pressure go when Obama wins a second term and nominates Van Jones to a Cabinet level position?

Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote:Here's something else to think about. Many of these successful people claim to have made it on their own. Sure, they put in long hours, possibly took out loans they weren't sure how they were going to repay but they took a chance on themselves and their idea. Fine. We all give them credit for that.
Here's what is often overlooked though. There is a huge amount of support for business in this country in the form of infrastructure that we just take for granted. I'm talking about the power grid, the transportation and communication systems, clean water to drink and an educated work force. These are things that we all helped to create. Public education, federal, state and county highways, etc.
To see just how important this sort of thing is just ask someone who is trying to help say, Afghanistan put together an economy or start a business. Look at all the trouble, effort, money and time that goes into creating these things. The "I did it all myself" business people need to give the public sector a lot more credit for their accomplishments which would not have been possible had it not been for public money that went toward the systems that they so readily use. Try to start a business in a largely illiterate country and see how hard it is.

As you know, it is the JOB of government to provide a safe environment for the citizens to live and conduct commerce. That does NOT entitle government, other the tax payers to a part of the company.

As for starting a business in a largely illiterate country, how is President Barack Hussein Obama's fair haired "Job Czar" who has more jobs in Communist China than in the US or Apple, how are those I-phones, I-pads and other things working out for them?

Here is another appointee of President Obama. Here Carol Browner is speaking before a Socialist organiation of which she was a member until her nomination.

Obama - 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen' CarolBrownerSocialist

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Markle wrote:
As you know, it is the JOB of government to provide a safe environment for the citizens to live and conduct commerce. That does NOT entitle government, other the tax payers to a part of the company.


As you know the point of my statement had NOTHING TO DO with the government taking over a part of a company.
You are trying to put words in my mouth (as usual) and ideas in people's heads.

Every business ever started in this country owes a debt of gratitude to all the taxpayers who have invested billions over many decades to provide the basis upon which a large part of their businesses desperately depends.

If you uprooted an idea for a business and plopped it down in a third world country you'd have to supply your own security forces, air ports, schools, food supply, drinking water, supply mechanisms for materials, housing etc. etc.

The point people have to remember is that this is all here now in this country waiting to be used by people who have the ideas for a new business. That is something that can't be ignored.
Yes it is the job of government to provide a safe environment and that's exactly what it has done. Yes, the job has been done well here. Yes, it is part of the public sector paid for by taxpayers and don't you forget it or discount it as merely "the job of government".

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

bump

NaNook

NaNook

othershoe1030 wrote:
Markle wrote:
As you know, it is the JOB of government to provide a safe environment for the citizens to live and conduct commerce. That does NOT entitle government, other the tax payers to a part of the company.


As you know the point of my statement had NOTHING TO DO with the government taking over a part of a company.
You are trying to put words in my mouth (as usual) and ideas in people's heads.

Every business ever started in this country owes a debt of gratitude to all the taxpayers who have invested billions over many decades to provide the basis upon which a large part of their businesses desperately depends.

If you uprooted an idea for a business and plopped it down in a third world country you'd have to supply your own security forces, air ports, schools, food supply, drinking water, supply mechanisms for materials, housing etc. etc.

The point people have to remember is that this is all here now in this country waiting to be used by people who have the ideas for a new business. That is something that can't be ignored.
Yes it is the job of government to provide a safe environment and that's exactly what it has done. Yes, the job has been done well here. Yes, it is part of the public sector paid for by taxpayers and don't you forget it or discount it as merely "the job of government".


You make a wonderful argument for use taxes instead of income taxes. Tax the users and not the general population. Use an income tax to support only the basic Federal Needs. Last time I checked my property taxes, I'm paying for local education, police, and firemen. I'm not willing to pay for cops in a bankrupt city in Ca. Everyone can choose their path in life. It's all based on PAYGO and savings. I need less government, not more. I know right from wrong, I know how to read to my grandkids. I can teach my grandkids to read and do simple math, as can their parents. We don't need a "special" program. Parents just need to stay home and teach......

Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote:
Markle wrote:
As you know, it is the JOB of government to provide a safe environment for the citizens to live and conduct commerce. That does NOT entitle government, other the tax payers to a part of the company.


As you know the point of my statement had NOTHING TO DO with the government taking over a part of a company.
You are trying to put words in my mouth (as usual) and ideas in people's heads.

Every business ever started in this country owes a debt of gratitude to all the taxpayers who have invested billions over many decades to provide the basis upon which a large part of their businesses desperately depends.

If you uprooted an idea for a business and plopped it down in a third world country you'd have to supply your own security forces, air ports, schools, food supply, drinking water, supply mechanisms for materials, housing etc. etc.

The point people have to remember is that this is all here now in this country waiting to be used by people who have the ideas for a new business. That is something that can't be ignored.
Yes it is the job of government to provide a safe environment and that's exactly what it has done. Yes, the job has been done well here. Yes, it is part of the public sector paid for by taxpayers and don't you forget it or discount it as merely "the job of government".

Where did the money government spends on airports, roads and the rest of the infrastructure come from in the first place? More of that growing on trees belief of Progressives?

As for starting a business in a third world. Isn't that what President Barack Hussein Obama's "Job Czar" Jeffrey Immelt did with General Electric? You know they employ more people OUTSIDE of the United States rather than inside don't you? Do you know where I-Phones are made?

PLEASE keep bumping this to the top. I do LOVE seeing President Barack Hussein Obama state what has been obvious for years.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Markle wrote:

Where did the money government spends on airports, roads and the rest of the infrastructure come from in the first place? More of that growing on trees belief of Progressives?

OMG, you may have finally ALMOST actually understood something I posted.
The point is exactly that, that the money did not grow on trees. It was paid to the government by the citizens at large, not created out of thin air by the business person. We all benefit by the things various levels of government have created, roads, power grid, police forces, transportation and communication systems, etc.

Progressives know that public money has built all these things. We all build on this base of infrastructure to create our success. It is a great foundation. We should be glad we have it. We need to do a lot of maintenance on some of it instead of trying to ignore the run down conditions of many of our bridges and highways among other things.

NaNook

NaNook

Please explain the newest CBO figures. The "poor" receive $3 for every $1 of earned income. In other words, the poor get raises, via the government.

Who is payings for those benefits?

Do you even know?

Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote:
Markle wrote:

Where did the money government spends on airports, roads and the rest of the infrastructure come from in the first place? More of that growing on trees belief of Progressives?

OMG, you may have finally ALMOST actually understood something I posted.
The point is exactly that, that the money did not grow on trees. It was paid to the government by the citizens at large, not created out of thin air by the business person. We all benefit by the things various levels of government have created, roads, power grid, police forces, transportation and communication systems, etc.

Progressives know that public money has built all these things. We all build on this base of infrastructure to create our success. It is a great foundation. We should be glad we have it. We need to do a lot of maintenance on some of it instead of trying to ignore the run down conditions of many of our bridges and highways among other things.

Those people were not working for someone else? They did NOT earn the money they paid in TAXES from wages they earned or on the capital gains of another endeavor?

There is no such thing as "PUBLIC MONEY". It is ALL TAX PAYER MONEY.

Slicef18

Slicef18

NaNook wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
Markle wrote:
As you know, it is the JOB of government to provide a safe environment for the citizens to live and conduct commerce. That does NOT entitle government, other the tax payers to a part of the company.


As you know the point of my statement had NOTHING TO DO with the government taking over a part of a company.
You are trying to put words in my mouth (as usual) and ideas in people's heads.

Every business ever started in this country owes a debt of gratitude to all the taxpayers who have invested billions over many decades to provide the basis upon which a large part of their businesses desperately depends.

If you uprooted an idea for a business and plopped it down in a third world country you'd have to supply your own security forces, air ports, schools, food supply, drinking water, supply mechanisms for materials, housing etc. etc.

The point people have to remember is that this is all here now in this country waiting to be used by people who have the ideas for a new business. That is something that can't be ignored.
Yes it is the job of government to provide a safe environment and that's exactly what it has done. Yes, the job has been done well here. Yes, it is part of the public sector paid for by taxpayers and don't you forget it or discount it as merely "the job of government".


You make a wonderful argument for use taxes instead of income taxes. Tax the users and not the general population. Use an income tax to support only the basic Federal Needs. Last time I checked my property taxes, I'm paying for local education, police, and firemen. I'm not willing to pay for cops in a bankrupt city in Ca. Everyone can choose their path in life. It's all based on PAYGO and savings. I need less government, not more. I know right from wrong, I know how to read to my grandkids. I can teach my grandkids to read and do simple math, as can their parents. We don't need a "special" program. Parents just need to stay home and teach......

"Parents just need to stay home and teach"

Can you imagine the result if some of our parents stayed home and imparted what they know upon their children? 2+2=5. Whad dit be, whad dit do, whad dit say. Whee da peepl uv da Unintet Sates uv Merika.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030


[/quote]
OMG, you may have finally ALMOST actually understood something I posted.
The point is exactly that, that the money did not grow on trees. It was paid to the government by the citizens at large, not created out of thin air by the business person. We all benefit by the things various levels of government have created, roads, power grid, police forces, transportation and communication systems, etc.

Progressives know that public money has built all these things. We all build on this base of infrastructure to create our success. It is a great foundation. We should be glad we have it. We need to do a lot of maintenance on some of it instead of trying to ignore the run down conditions of many of our bridges and highways among other things. [/quote]

Those people were not working for someone else? They did NOT earn the money they paid in TAXES from wages they earned or on the capital gains of another endeavor?

There is no such thing as "PUBLIC MONEY". It is ALL TAX PAYER MONEY.
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Yes, Markle "these people" were working for someone else. Sometimes the "someone else" is a private business and sometimes it is a public job like teaching or being in the military.

The system is symbiotic. It all works together to support and contribute to the good of the entire country. I consider taxpayer money to be in the public coffers, don't you? It is a cycle of business contributing to government and government building and investing in infrastructure that creates a situation whereby we all benefit.

Is there something about this set up that bothers you? I mean, all things working toward the good. Is that a bad thing in your view?

Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote:
OMG, you may have finally ALMOST actually understood something I posted.
The point is exactly that, that the money did not grow on trees. It was paid to the government by the citizens at large, not created out of thin air by the business person. We all benefit by the things various levels of government have created, roads, power grid, police forces, transportation and communication systems, etc.

Progressives know that public money has built all these things. We all build on this base of infrastructure to create our success. It is a great foundation. We should be glad we have it. We need to do a lot of maintenance on some of it instead of trying to ignore the run down conditions of many of our bridges and highways among other things. [/quote]

Those people were not working for someone else? They did NOT earn the money they paid in TAXES from wages they earned or on the capital gains of another endeavor?

There is no such thing as "PUBLIC MONEY". It is ALL TAX PAYER MONEY.
[/quote]

Yes, Markle "these people" were working for someone else. Sometimes the "someone else" is a private business and sometimes it is a public job like teaching or being in the military.

The system is symbiotic. It all works together to support and contribute to the good of the entire country. I consider taxpayer money to be in the public coffers, don't you? It is a cycle of business contributing to government and government building and investing in infrastructure that creates a situation whereby we all benefit.

Is there something about this set up that bothers you? I mean, all things working toward the good. Is that a bad thing in your view?[/quote]

As you know, people working in the public sector, are "paying taxes" from tax money paid to them which was taken from someone in the private sector.

We all know that we are not talking about teachers or the military. We are talking about, as Benjamin Franklin said, making people easy in their poverty. Having as many people as we do feeding off of government, does harm to the country and worse harm to the individuals.

Sadly, President Barack Hussein Obama has created the most hostile atmosphere for business to thrive in our history.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Markle wrote:
We all know that we are not talking about teachers or the military. We are talking about, as Benjamin Franklin said, making people easy in their poverty. Having as many people as we do feeding off of government, does harm to the country and worse harm to the individuals.

Sadly, President Barack Hussein Obama has created the most hostile atmosphere for business to thrive in our history.
As you know, as you know, as you know...you really must get a less worn out lead-in!

I am absolutely talking about the over-all system of the private sector and government working together to support and build a system that created a middle class and sustainable infrastructure.

I am glad that GM has survived. It is good that Americans can work together to build things like power grids, dams, highways, etc. that benefit businesses and everyone who drives or turns on a light.

We are all in this together. No one succeeds totally single-handedly. Is there something about cooperation that rubs you the wrong way? Is there something that particularly irks you to have to admit that our taxpayer infrastructure (which we see all around us but tend to take for granted) was created by the public sector and supports business success?

Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote:
Markle wrote:
We all know that we are not talking about teachers or the military. We are talking about, as Benjamin Franklin said, making people easy in their poverty. Having as many people as we do feeding off of government, does harm to the country and worse harm to the individuals.

Sadly, President Barack Hussein Obama has created the most hostile atmosphere for business to thrive in our history.
As you know, as you know, as you know...you really must get a less worn out lead-in!

I am absolutely talking about the over-all system of the private sector and government working together to support and build a system that created a middle class and sustainable infrastructure.

I am glad that GM has survived. It is good that Americans can work together to build things like power grids, dams, highways, etc. that benefit businesses and everyone who drives or turns on a light.

We are all in this together. No one succeeds totally single-handedly. Is there something about cooperation that rubs you the wrong way? Is there something that particularly irks you to have to admit that our taxpayer infrastructure (which we see all around us but tend to take for granted) was created by the public sector and supports business success?

You left this out of your quote which basically undermines the rest of your post. Oh...yeah...right....

As you know, people working in the public sector, are "paying taxes" from tax money paid to them which was taken from someone in the private sector.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Good God man, it all works together, public and private. It's a cycle. Public needs private and private needs public. That's the system.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

For all their empty rhetoric about "drowning the government in a bathtub" (meaning SS, Medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance, etc.), Republicans NEED the government to play along with their scams to privatize education, the prison system, and even war, all of which can be highly profitable, even when they oppress, rob and even kill people. Here's a good example:

http://therealnews.com/t2/component/hwdvideoshare/?task=viewvideo&video_id=74157

If you're a Republican governor, like say, Rick Scott, you can then point to increased revenues and job creation, but in effect, all you've accomplished is sucking taxpayer money into private coffers. There are many other examples of this tactic, the most egregious of which is the private contracting of military services and even warfare itself to profiteers during the Iraq and Afghan wars. Other examples: bailing out the banks after their casino gambling sprees, ENRON, et al, ad nauseum.

And let's not forget candidate Romney, the vulture capitalist.

Obama - 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen' Romney-vulture

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Guest

Floridatexan wrote:For you can then point to increased revenues and job creation, but in effect, all you've accomplished is sucking taxpayer money into private coffers. There are many other examples of this tactic, the most egregious of which is the private contracting of military services and even warfare itself to profiteers during the Iraq and Afghan wars. Other examples: bailing out the banks after their casino gambling sprees, ENRON, et al, ad nauseum.


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A lot of that is going on right now under the not so careful ministrations of your hero, The Great Narcissist and Liar-in-Chief Oblamer. Too funny.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Nochain, I have been happier with President Obama than I ever was when Bush was in office. Here is a President who was handed the worst disaster of a country in our history, yet he's still managed, despite almost total opposition from the right wing, to turn the corner and begin to right the ship. I am completely baffled by those who hated him from day one and equally baffled by those who think "R" stands for fiscal responsibility.

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:Nochain, I have been happier with President Obama than I ever was when Bush was in office. Here is a President who was handed the worst disaster of a country in our history, yet he's still managed, despite almost total opposition from the right wing, to turn the corner and begin to right the ship. I am completely baffled by those who hated him from day one and equally baffled by those who think "R" stands for fiscal responsibility.

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In my case "I" stands for Independent. You hate Bush, some folks "hate" Obama. Why are you right and they are wrong? Obama hasn't really operated any differently than Bush, in fact, many fiscal and military policies Bush used are still in use by Obama. Why do give Obama a free pass on that after 3 1/2 years. Almost a full term and things are just getting worse. You can no longer blame someone long gone for Obamas lack of leadership. Particularly his massive failure to gain some sort of consensus in the Congress. And just as an OBTW, I think anyone holding office in the Congress and Senate should be kicked to the curb since they have FAILED to address the important issues facing this country. A bunch of bumbling nincompoops with a world class liar asleep at the helm.

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nochain wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:Nochain, I have been happier with President Obama than I ever was when Bush was in office. Here is a President who was handed the worst disaster of a country in our history, yet he's still managed, despite almost total opposition from the right wing, to turn the corner and begin to right the ship. I am completely baffled by those who hated him from day one and equally baffled by those who think "R" stands for fiscal responsibility.

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In my case "I" stands for Independent. You hate Bush, some folks "hate" Obama. Why are you right and they are wrong? Obama hasn't really operated any differently than Bush, in fact, many fiscal and military policies Bush used are still in use by Obama. Why do give Obama a free pass on that after 3 1/2 years. Almost a full term and things are just getting worse. You can no longer blame someone long gone for Obamas lack of leadership. Particularly his massive failure to gain some sort of consensus in the Congress. And just as an OBTW, I think anyone holding office in the Congress and Senate should be kicked to the curb since they have FAILED to address the important issues facing this country. A bunch of bumbling nincompoops with a world class liar asleep at the helm.
It's amazing....have asked several times that if COWH defenders owned a business would they want someone with the record of the COWH running their business...This taken into account that after eight years the country essentially was tired of the policies of President Bush and even today still blame him for the economic mess...So they turned to the COWH for Hope and Change....after almost four years he has an economic record for failure even in his own words that if he didn't accomplish certain economic goals that he should be a one termer....this is the guy that should receive another opportunity to continue his record?...

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