Shooting at elementary school

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-control-debate-erupts-twitter-195914529.html

Now we will hear the cries about how we need more gun control, when what we really need to do is make our campuses closed and arm up a few volunteer teachers who want to conceal-carry. Since Columbine HS, Virginia Tech etc, this has become an epidemic. We can believe that by taking everyone's guns, all will be safe, but the reality is when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

The perp was a gutless person who even shot his own mother. WTH? There were more issues to this than we all know. I do know that if some kindergarten teacher had on a thigh holster with a Glock 26 or 27, something like this could have been nipped in the bud. One example of a criminal getting it handed to him and the media posting that event like they do all of these others, criminals will pick a softer target than the armed up kindergarten teacher.

I also think that teachers should keep their doors locked during the school day as well. I know several who already do and they use Columbine as their reasoning.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-control-debate-erupts-twitter-195914529.html

Now we will hear the cries about how we need more gun control, when what we really need to do is make our campuses closed and arm up a few volunteer teachers who want to conceal-carry. Since Columbine HS, Virginia Tech etc, this has become an epidemic. We can believe that by taking everyone's guns, all will be safe, but the reality is when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

The perp was a gutless person who even shot his own mother. WTH? There were more issues to this than we all know. I do know that if some kindergarten teacher had on a thigh holster with a Glock 26 or 27, something like this could have been nipped in the bud. One example of a criminal getting it handed to him and the media posting that event like they do all of these others, criminals will pick a softer target than the armed up kindergarten teacher.

I also think that teachers should keep their doors locked during the school day as well. I know several who already do and they use Columbine as their reasoning.

What good would locking the classroom doors do? This maniac had 3 semi-automatics handguns as well as a .223 rifle. Those weapons would open any door just about. Also did you hear the one teacher from the school on the news tonight? She stated that the classrooms were all glass facing the hallways. Some security that is!

Some protection is better than none. It would have given the teachers a chance to evaucate the students. Most school doors are all fireproof and the jams are steel along with the hardware that goes in them. It would be better to have them locked than just open with automatic entrance a given.

Why do you lock your own doors then if a gun will just open them up? Your response has very little in the way of logic.

As for the all glass facade, its obvious that these rooms were built for show and not for functionality.

Gun free zones like the one in the aforementioned school system where this tragedy occured are part of the problem.

Texas currently allows teachers to carry and it is the only state.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/12/its_time_to_end_gun-free_zones.html

When your kid is snatched off the playground or is attacked, do you want the teacher to call 911 and make a report or defend your kid?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/12/good_guns_can_kill_bad_people.html

Another horrific mass murder and if we could not predict its timing we could predict its site within certain parameters. With predictable regularity, the most lethal of these types of attacks take place in public venues such as shopping malls, restaurants, theaters, with the deadliest frequently being institutions of learning. We are all familiar with the Columbine High School killings in which 12 students and a single teacher died or the Virginia Tech massacre where 32 people died. Fewer remember the 2006 killing of five Amish schoolgirls by a milk truck driver or the Jonesboro, AR school shooting in which five died, gunned down by fellow students. How many remember the memorable name of Kip Kinkel, an Oregon high school student who murdered his parents and two students in 1998? Or what about that Red Lake, MN mass killing where nine died in 2005? Of course everyone remembers the Aurora, CO theater shooting, but what about the 2007 Arvada, CO school shooting that left five dead?

The point I'm attempting to make here is that these tragedies recur with an irregular chronological predictability, but with a largely predictable targeted area, school campuses, be they elementary as with this latest tragedy, or high school as at Columbine, or university as with Virginia Tech. Other than their educational bond, they all share another commonality, the one which most likely leads to their selection by the perpetrators as the scenes for their slaughters: they are all sites where the presence of firearms is strictly prohibited and enforced with zero tolerance. There is no one to shoot back and thus deter the shooter from his maddened mission. Think about it, most of these mass shootings end with the suicide of the killer after he has accomplished his goal. Few are ever killed by authorities or captured.

These killers control the events because they have picked the setting where that is most easily accomplished, where they can inflict the most pain and death in a very brief period of time before an armed response can be mounted. We hear them called cowards for killing the helpless. I believe they are more viciously cunning than cowardly, picking a target so vulnerable as to permit them to accomplish their goal of creating as much mayhem and death as possible in the shortest period of time.


If guns are so bad, why don't gun shows become the targets of people wanting to kill? Might it be that gun shows are full of people ARMED with guns?

This school already had security measures in place. You are aware that anyone wanting to get in at that time had to be buzzed in. He on the other hand, just shot out the side light next to the door and entered that way. I do agree with your premise that some teachers need to be armed. An armed faculty member may not have prevented this from happening, but IMO it possibly would not have been as many killed.

Liberals hate facts Gunz

agreed

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The logic that gets old to me is condemning a whole society over the criminal acts of a few. It's a dangerous game.

Don't tread on me.

W_T_M wrote:Come on Gunz. That's circular logic at best, with a silly poster littered with dissembling rhetoric.

How many teachers are there in Israel...? How many schools and students....? Now compare that to how many there are here.

How many guns are readily available in the USA....legally and otherwise...?

How about the gun laws in Israel...?

>>>>>In Israel, assault rifles are banned except for special circumstances, such as communal self-defense in areas deemed to be a security risk. And while political violence in Israel is all too common and gun violence is a growing problem, random shootings of strangers – like the Aurora massacre -- are virtually unheard-of here.

Unlike in the United States, where the right to bear arms is guaranteed in the Constitution’s Second Amendment, Israel’s department of public security considers gun ownership a privilege, not a right. Gun owners in Israel are limited to owning one pistol, and must undergo extensive mental and physical tests before they can receive a weapon, and gun owners are limited to 50 rounds of ammunition per year.

Not all Israelis, however, may own guns. In order to own a pistol, an Israeli must for two years have been either a captain in the army or a former lieutenant colonel. Israelis with an equivalent rank in other security organizations may also own a pistol. <<<<<<<

Would you like us to follow their lead on guns...?

Sure, it's a cute poster, designed to rally the base and toss out more red meat to the folk who blindly accept the poor oppressed NRA POV.


Happy Chriskwanzekkuh.....!!!!

I have no idea WT. I saw this and stuck it up here for everyones perusement or amusement as it were.

Gunz wrote:

W_T_M wrote:Come on Gunz. That's circular logic at best, with a silly poster littered with dissembling rhetoric.

How many teachers are there in Israel...? How many schools and students....? Now compare that to how many there are here.

How many guns are readily available in the USA....legally and otherwise...?

How about the gun laws in Israel...?

>>>>>In Israel, assault rifles are banned except for special circumstances, such as communal self-defense in areas deemed to be a security risk. And while political violence in Israel is all too common and gun violence is a growing problem, random shootings of strangers – like the Aurora massacre -- are virtually unheard-of here.

Unlike in the United States, where the right to bear arms is guaranteed in the Constitution’s Second Amendment, Israel’s department of public security considers gun ownership a privilege, not a right. Gun owners in Israel are limited to owning one pistol, and must undergo extensive mental and physical tests before they can receive a weapon, and gun owners are limited to 50 rounds of ammunition per year.

Not all Israelis, however, may own guns. In order to own a pistol, an Israeli must for two years have been either a captain in the army or a former lieutenant colonel. Israelis with an equivalent rank in other security organizations may also own a pistol. <<<<<<<

Would you like us to follow their lead on guns...?

Sure, it's a cute poster, designed to rally the base and toss out more red meat to the folk who blindly accept the poor oppressed NRA POV.


Happy Chriskwanzekkuh.....!!!!

I have no idea WT. I saw this and stuck it up here for everyones perusement or amusement as it were.

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Got it. It's pretty funny, now that I realize you aren't serious about liberals being stupid and arming teachers and such....LOL.

Didja hear the one about the warped kid genius who went into a classroom full of kids armed with an AR-15 and a couple of semi-auto handguns....?

He killed 22 innocent children....

Now that's a killer joke.

Get back to me when you stop LOL.


Oh yeah, I almost forgot....like that POS dog said, we hate facts. We also live in a world where killing children is just not funny.

Isn't that weird....?

If you think that i would joke about those kids deaths then we are at a definate stalemate. there is nothing funny about the issue. The poster is what it is. Take from it what you wish.

Gunz wrote:If you think that i would joke about those kids deaths then we are at a definate stalemate. there is nothing funny about the issue. The poster is what it is. Take from it what you wish.

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Actually brother, I DON'T believe you would joke about those deaths, but your explanation of that poster and why you posted it sure sounded like you were trying to amuse folk.

I responded in a serious way, but you just deflected.

There's an edit function on your post, but who am I to tell you what I would do...?

IN fact, I do not believe there's any way in hell's half acre you would joke about it or find any thing about it remotely amusing nor humorous.

But POSdog would, and he jumps on every chance to puke on liberals.

Just sayin...

I'm done and I definitely don't want this to be the source for another round of animosity...life's too short, and I do respect you.

Take care, and Happy Holidays.

W_T_M wrote:

Gunz wrote:If you think that i would joke about those kids deaths then we are at a definate stalemate. there is nothing funny about the issue. The poster is what it is. Take from it what you wish.

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Actually brother, I DON'T believe you would joke about those deaths, but your explanation of that poster and why you posted it sure sounded like you were trying to amuse folk.

I responded in a serious way, but you just deflected.

There's an edit function on your post, but who am I to tell you what I would do...?

IN fact, I do not believe there's any way in hell's half acre you would joke about it or find any thing about it remotely amusing nor humorous.

But POSdog would, and he jumps on every chance to puke on liberals.

Just sayin...

I'm done and I definitely don't want this to be the source for another round of animosity...life's too short, and I do respect you.

Take care, and Happy Holidays.

Did a little research. Taking the poster down as not being factual nor being a good example of my point

Gunz wrote:

W_T_M wrote:

Gunz wrote:If you think that i would joke about those kids deaths then we are at a definate stalemate. there is nothing funny about the issue. The poster is what it is. Take from it what you wish.

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Actually brother, I DON'T believe you would joke about those deaths, but your explanation of that poster and why you posted it sure sounded like you were trying to amuse folk.

I responded in a serious way, but you just deflected.

There's an edit function on your post, but who am I to tell you what I would do...?

IN fact, I do not believe there's any way in hell's half acre you would joke about it or find any thing about it remotely amusing nor humorous.

But POSdog would, and he jumps on every chance to puke on liberals.

Just sayin...

I'm done and I definitely don't want this to be the source for another round of animosity...life's too short, and I do respect you.

Take care, and Happy Holidays.

Did a little research. Taking the poster down as not being factual nor being a good example of my point

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Good plan. You're a mensch.

In Israel, people are in the military reserves until their 50s. All have weapons that they take home with them in case of a mobiilization.

Read this on Warchant.com



To many of these mass shootings have been proven a total government covert operation. The Wisconsin shooting comes to mind where the church was shot up. The minister gets on TV literally, saying how there was someone dressed up in a full military uniform shoots the place up, and the patsy took the fall, the other guy runs off. The patsy some hypnotized goon took out a few people, but the real killer got away free. When someone says they witnessed a second shooter at one of these events, they are not lying. It happened. Just like during the Oklahoma bombing incident. The FBI literally was on TV, one of their local directors saying how they located several high tech very sophisticated explosive devices in the Oklahoma City Federal Building, then on local news it shows the bomb squad carrying out the devices on the local news. Those bombs were placed inside the building, which would have required the help of a team of specialists, not one person, obviously. The news scrubbed those local news broadcasts which were on video, the national news then came out with their scripted version of events, and John Doe 2, seen by several people became a conspiracy theory. And a most irrational unbelievable story became the theme, one man did it with a ryder truck parked 100 yards away. This sort of thing has far too often happened. An armed society is an absolute must just to have a chance to survive these people, without an armed society the balance of not just this country, but the world is at stake, because the United States is the only society in the world left that can defend its freedom. The UN doesn't like that one bit.

The best way to mitigate a real crazy person from taking action, would simply be to arm the other citizens. Places where masses of people congregate have police, and or armed deputies on site. These sort of things hardly ever happen where armed people are there to fight back. The fact of the matter is Oklahoma City didn't happen because of a gun, kids died there. 911 didn't happen because of a gun. Kids died there. However, anytime one happens with a gun, the media quickly tries to guilt law abiding citizens into handing them over. That is despite the tragedy is far greater where guns have NOT been used. And interestingly, more people die from knife attacks per year in the US than guns. It is a design. There is only one possible solution to this, in my mind, which is to arm the teachers. If they are responsible for the oversight of the kids, then surely some gun training, a school easy access safe with a combination lock, would be a more sensible solution to having drills in a school where everyone cowers in fear under a damn desk. The government will mandate that, but not that teachers open a safe and fire back? Utter nonsense.