Trump Articles of Impeachment

PkrBum wrote:You'll wish that you'd have listened to Pelosi before long.

I can't wait for the whistleblower without direct knowledge to testify.

PkrBum wrote:"Well, I was, not I, but it just happened to be that was the assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I remember going over convincing our team, our, others to convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, try to guess the 12th, 13th time to Kiev, and I was going to, supposed to announce that there was another billion dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor, and they didn’t. So they said they had, they were walking out to a press conference, and I said no, I said I’m not going to, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said. I said call him. I said I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said you’re not getting the billion, and I’m going to be leaving here, and I think it was what, six hours. I looked. I said I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. He got fired." Biden

PkrBum wrote:Sooo... a Democrat vp actually extorting Ukraine is all good.

But a pub potus asking that it be investigated is the crime... lol.

Listen to yourself.

Sal wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Sooo... a Democrat vp actually extorting Ukraine is all good.

But a pub potus asking that it be investigated is the crime... lol.

Listen to yourself.

I knew that was going to be over your head.

Here, let me dumb it down some more for ya ...

PRESSURING A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INTERFERE ON YOUR BEHALF IN DOMESTIC ELECTIONS = VERY BAD.

PRESSURING A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INVESTIGATE CROOKS = GOOD.

See if you can rustle up a third grader to read that and explain it to you.

You're welcome.

PkrBum wrote:

Ummm... Biden pressured the Ukraine leadership to fire a persecutor that was investigating  his son.

Read that slowly... then read it again. Then throw out your dnc narrative and try it one more time.

PkrBum wrote:Sooo... a Democrat vp actually extorting Ukraine is all good.

But a pub potus asking that it be investigated is the crime... lol.

Listen to yourself.

PkrBum wrote:Sooo... a Democrat vp actually extorting Ukraine is all good.

RealLindaL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Sooo... a Democrat vp actually extorting Ukraine is all good.

EVIDENCE?????????????????????

PkrBum wrote:

Do you people just not read or see anything that doesn't air on MSNBC or get printed by media matters?

"Well, I was, not I, but it just happened to be that was the assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I remember going over convincing our team, our, others to convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, try to guess the 12th, 13th time to Kiev, and I was going to, supposed to announce that there was another billion dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor, and they didn’t. So they said they had, they were walking out to a press conference, and I said no, I said I’m not going to, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said. I said call him. I said I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said you’re not getting the billion, and I’m going to be leaving here, and I think it was what, six hours. I looked. I said I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. He got fired." Biden

PkrBum wrote:

RealLindaL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Sooo... a Democrat vp actually extorting Ukraine is all good.

EVIDENCE?????????????????????

Do you people just not read or see anything that doesn't air on MSNBC or get printed by media matters?

"Well, I was, not I, but it just happened to be that was the assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I remember going over convincing our team, our, others to convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, try to guess the 12th, 13th time to Kiev, and I was going to, supposed to announce that there was another billion dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor, and they didn’t. So they said they had, they were walking out to a press conference, and I said no, I said I’m not going to, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said. I said call him. I said I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said you’re not getting the billion, and I’m going to be leaving here, and I think it was what, six hours. I looked. I said I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. He got fired." Biden

Sal wrote:
[cough] [cough]

PRESSURING A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INVESTIGATE CROOKS = GOOD.

PRESSURING A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INTERFERE ON YOUR BEHALF IN DOMESTIC ELECTIONS = VERY BAD.

Pity your dog or your Roomba wife can't explain this to you.

The U.S. sent a letter to Ukrainian prosecutors in December 2014 complaining that they weren’t assisting the U.K. authorities with their Zlochevsky investigation and warned of negative consequences if the lack of cooperation continued. In January 2015, the U.K. case collapsed and a court released the $23 million in seized funds.

The Ukrainians’ own inquiries into Zlochevsky expanded to include tax evasion and the awarding of gas licenses during his time as minister. Viktor Shokin, who served first as a deputy prosecutor and then as prosecutor general, handled at least some aspects of the investigation. But the cases languished under Shokin, according to Vitaliy Kasko, a former deputy prosecutor who worked with Shokin and who spoke with Bloomberg News this year. Kasko added that there was no U.S. pressure to end the inquiries.

U.S. officials continued to accuse the prosecutor general’s office of failing to fight corruption. In a September 2015 speech, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine faulted the office for “subverting” the U.K. probe.
Vice President Biden’s Role in Ukraine

Joe Biden played a key role in U.S. diplomacy with Ukraine. He has said he made at least a dozen visits to Kyiv as vice president.

At one point, the U.S. threatened to withhold a $1 billion loan guarantee unless Shokin was removed from office. Biden delivered the message directly to Ukrainian officials. “If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,” he told them, according to an account of the conversation he gave at a 2018 conference. Shokin was ousted in March 2016, and the loan guarantee came through.

The U.S. push for Shokin’s dismissal wasn’t the vice president’s idea and filtered up from officials at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation. The International Monetary Fund was also faulting Ukraine for a failure to tackle corruption, and demonstrators on the streets of Kyiv were calling for Shokin’s ouster.

zsomething wrote:

Sal wrote:
[cough] [cough]

PRESSURING A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INVESTIGATE CROOKS = GOOD.

PRESSURING A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INTERFERE ON YOUR BEHALF IN DOMESTIC ELECTIONS = VERY BAD.

Pity your dog or your Roomba wife can't explain this to you.

You're talking sense, but you're talking it to a stump.  It's like showing a dog a card trick;  no matter how good your skill, the damn thing's gonna ignore it and then crap on the rug.

Honestly, why are we even still talking to this shit-spout?   Anybody really expecting Pkr to acknowledge facts or logic?  He's has neither the courage, nor the intellectual capacity.  He's just here to taunt because he hates his life and wants everybody else to be as miserable as he is.

I get it that you wanna squish him, it's a sane reaction to any repulsive thing,  I slip about it enough myself.   If he were a worthy opponent it could be fun, but jeez, even on a forum as small as this one, he can't be considered any kind of actual opposition.  He's a fucking punching bag.  As long as anybody's engaging him, Pkr's only going to keep deliberately misrepresenting that thing because that's what his brainwashing sources have trained him to think, and for all his talk about "objectivity," he has none.  He doesn't even have the ability -- he's not a thinker, just a parrot.  He's never had an original thought in his worthless burden-to-everyone-around-him life.

I mean, he actually thinks -- because he's been trained to by sources that know they're dealing with idiots who'll buy into any conspiracy theory to avoid facing simple truth -- that Biden is so stupid that he'd brag in public about doing something crooked.  That makes more sense to his stumbling oxy-numbed dendrites than the truth about the situation... because the truth works against Pkr's Trump-defense rather than for it, and thus he can't be honest.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-25/here-s-what-we-know-about-joe-and-hunter-biden-in-ukraine

The U.S. sent a letter to Ukrainian prosecutors in December 2014 complaining that they weren’t assisting the U.K. authorities with their Zlochevsky investigation and warned of negative consequences if the lack of cooperation continued. In January 2015, the U.K. case collapsed and a court released the $23 million in seized funds.

The Ukrainians’ own inquiries into Zlochevsky expanded to include tax evasion and the awarding of gas licenses during his time as minister. Viktor Shokin, who served first as a deputy prosecutor and then as prosecutor general, handled at least some aspects of the investigation. But the cases languished under Shokin, according to Vitaliy Kasko, a former deputy prosecutor who worked with Shokin and who spoke with Bloomberg News this year. Kasko added that there was no U.S. pressure to end the inquiries.

U.S. officials continued to accuse the prosecutor general’s office of failing to fight corruption. In a September 2015 speech, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine faulted the office for “subverting” the U.K. probe.
Vice President Biden’s Role in Ukraine

Joe Biden played a key role in U.S. diplomacy with Ukraine. He has said he made at least a dozen visits to Kyiv as vice president.

At one point, the U.S. threatened to withhold a $1 billion loan guarantee unless Shokin was removed from office. Biden delivered the message directly to Ukrainian officials. “If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,” he told them, according to an account of the conversation he gave at a 2018 conference. Shokin was ousted in March 2016, and the loan guarantee came through.

The U.S. push for Shokin’s dismissal wasn’t the vice president’s idea and filtered up from officials at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation. The International Monetary Fund was also faulting Ukraine for a failure to tackle corruption, and demonstrators on the streets of Kyiv were calling for Shokin’s ouster.

That's never gonna sink in for him because "Biden bad" is the outcome he must have, regardless of facts.   He's been trained and is incapable of anything but repeating horseshit.  It's all anybody's ever gonna get out of him.

And Biden may not be the nominee, anyway, so the whole thing's an exercise in right-wing wank.

mission to the United Nations on Thursday he wanted to know who provided information to a whistleblower on his phone call with Ukraine's president, likening them to a spy, two newspapers reported.

"I want to know who’s the person who gave the whistle-blower the information because that’s close to a spy," Trump was quoted as saying by the New York Times and Los Angeles Times.

"You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now," the Los Angeles Times reported.

zsomething wrote:

Also notice he called the guy a "spy," rather than a liar.   If someone accused me of something I didn't do, I'd be saying they lied.  Trump's mad at them for reporting something he did... hence, "spy."