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A good article that completely explains the differences in Dems and Republicans

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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/18/18139556/republicans-democrats-partisanship-ideology-philosophy-psychology-marc-hetherington

This is something I've thought for years but this article really lays it all out there. My neighbor, who is 93 years old now and is still the wisest human being I've ever known, once told me that every action we humans take is based on either fear or love. This article affirms that Republicans operate from constant fear, fear of change, fear of anyone who is different from them, and a desire to return to a time in their lives when they believe they were the safest, back to the good old days. They need a strong leader to tell them he will keep them safe, no matter how much freedom they give away for it. Freedom just isn't their thing.
We'd all have British accents if the founding fathers were like the Republicans in America today. Sam Adams would have hated them.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/16/boys-can-have-periods-schoolchildren-taught-latest-victory-transgender/

bigdog



I guess I could respond if I could figure out what political differences had in common with what you posted.
FYI., if you knew my opinion on transgender issues, you MIGHT find that I actually agree with you on some things. I don't want anyone with a big hairy dick in the same bathroom with me no matter what sex his brain tells him that he is.

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There's a philosophical psychology to that line of thinking and it doesn't come from the right.

But mainly i just thght it was odd and shared it.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

bigdog wrote:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/18/18139556/republicans-democrats-partisanship-ideology-philosophy-psychology-marc-hetherington

This is something I've thought for years but this article really lays it all out there. My neighbor, who is 93 years old now and is still the wisest human being I've ever known, once told me that every action we humans take is based on either fear or love. This article affirms that Republicans operate from constant fear, fear of change, fear of anyone who is different from them, and a desire to return to a time in their lives when they believe they were the safest, back to the good old days. They need a strong leader to tell them he will keep them safe, no matter how much freedom they give away for it. Freedom just isn't their thing.
We'd all have British accents if the founding fathers were like the Republicans in America today. Sam Adams would have hated them.

The racial split in the US is not a worldview split. On worldview, African Americans would actually fit better in the GOP. Blacks, white evangelicals, and working-class whites are the groups most likely to have fixed worldviews. For African Americans, in particular, the world has, after all, been a dangerous place.

Remember Republicans have been demeaning African Americans to attract the white working class for decades. Fixed worldview whites perceive African Americans and immigrant groups as threats. But African Americans and immigrant groups don’t view themselves as threats. Republicans are the threat to them. Group identity, not worldview, drives their party choices.

Generally speaking I think there is usefulness in trying to give some broad underlying ideas to the left and the right. Fixed v Fluid works pretty well for me. GOP will always be the party of big business to me, one that wants stability for the sake of business, investing and the markets. Keeping things in order feels comfortable.

The fluid group of the left is more open to new ideas, adapts more readily to new scientific data such as that surrounding climate change. They strive to make improvements in society preferring a more egalitarian rather than a hierarchical model.

I don't see how the author thinks African Americans more naturally fall within the scope of the GOP though. Sure the world is a dangerous place for them but it seems this would give them reason to naturally want change, which is usually opposed by those of a fixed world view?

One semi-encouraging thing from this article is the reminder we all knew about, namely that GOP folks are real respecters of authority figures so if they come up with a leader who sounds more like McCain than 45 they will be prone to follow that person's lead.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1ON144

Telstar

Telstar

PkrBum wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1ON144



A good article that completely explains the differences in Dems and Republicans Russia36

bigdog



PkrBum wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1ON144
Can  I tell you something about LaBron James? I couldn't identify him or any other basketball player in a police line-up, so I don't think anything he says publicly will ever bother me or make me want to respond to it.
Ditto for most of today's so called "music legends," reality TV Stars, or nearly any actor or actress under about the age of 40.
I once had lunch with a Kardashian (no joke) and would not have known it except that one of the other people at the table told me who it was. And they said she looked exactly like the Kardashians. I had and still have no idea what that family does or looks like. I am old enough to really not give a damn.
I do resent the use of the word "legend" though. If I haven't heard of you, you're not a legend.  Legends are people like Elvis, Sinatra, Willie Nelson, Springsteen, Gable, Bogart, Robert deNiro, -people that you could take a picture of to anywhere on the planet and they would be identified. Legend and iconic are the two most overused words in the English language. Ok, I'm finished with my speech now-but just know, I don't give a rat's arse what any ball player has to say.

Telstar

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bigdog wrote:
PkrBum wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1ON144
Can  I tell you something about LaBron James? I couldn't identify him or any other basketball player in a police line-up, so I don't think anything he says publicly will ever bother me or make me want to respond to it.
Ditto for most of today's so called "music legends," reality TV Stars, or nearly any actor or actress under about the age of 40.
I once had lunch with a Kardashian (no joke) and would not have known it except that one of the other people at the table told me who it was. And they said she looked exactly like the Kardashians. I had and still have no idea what that family does or looks like. I am old enough to really not give a damn.
I do resent the use of the word "legend" though. If I haven't heard of you, you're not a legend.  Legends are people like Elvis, Sinatra, Willie Nelson, Springsteen, Gable, Bogart, Robert deNiro, -people that you could take a picture of to anywhere on the planet and they would be identified. Legend and iconic are the two most overused words in the English language. Ok, I'm finished with my speech now-but just know, I don't give a rat's arse what any ball player has to say.




I think Lady Gaga will soon be a "legend" let's see how she does at the Oscars. She has my vote although Melissa McCarthy gave a great dramatic performance.

RealLindaL



bigdog wrote:
PkrBum wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1ON144
Can  I tell you something about LaBron James? I couldn't identify him or any other basketball player in a police line-up, so I don't think anything he says publicly will ever bother me or make me want to respond to it.
Ditto for most of today's so called "music legends," reality TV Stars, or nearly any actor or actress under about the age of 40.
I once had lunch with a Kardashian (no joke) and would not have known it except that one of the other people at the table told me who it was. And they said she looked exactly like the Kardashians. I had and still have no idea what that family does or looks like. I am old enough to really not give a damn.
I do resent the use of the word "legend" though. If I haven't heard of you, you're not a legend.  Legends are people like Elvis, Sinatra, Willie Nelson, Springsteen, Gable, Bogart, Robert deNiro, -people that you could take a picture of to anywhere on the planet and they would be identified. Legend and iconic are the two most overused words in the English language. Ok, I'm finished with my speech now-but just know, I don't give a rat's arse what any ball player has to say.

A woman after my own heart!

Deus X

Deus X

bigdog wrote: I don't give a rat's arse what any ball player has to say.

That's exactly the kind of liberal, elitist venom that got Trump elected.



So for all those folks who sit around looking at election maps of Trump Country and spitting venom towards us, they need to realize their own ignorance. Many votes for Trump were votes against Hillary and the people she represented i.e. people from urban areas who have demeaned and discounted rural communities since God knows when. They ignore our input and deal out policy after policy that they believe is in our best interests. It’s also worth pointing out that many Democrats within the mountains couldn’t stomach voting for Hillary, so they just didn’t vote at all.

The fact that Trump, a wealthy white New York megalomaniac, became the lesser of the two evils for rural communities, speaks volumes to the flaming hatred for the liberal elitism people have come to see housed within the modern day democratic party.

https://thethoughtfulcoalminer.com/2018/07/06/trump-is-not-the-problem-urban-provincialism-is/

I dare you to read the whole article, you stuck-up bitch! It's written by a blue-collar blogger--a coal miner, no less--precisely the kind of person who DOES pay attention to what ball players say.

And the article to which posted a link to is bullshit. First off, it doesn't explain the millions of Obama/Obama/Trump voters.

Secondly, people ain't binary, DUH!

WTF, you yourself changed your political point-of-view at some point. That article is academic horseshit for the rubes--no wonder you thought it was great.  

Of course, anyone who at any time in their lives thought Orrin Hatch was anything but a racist, homophobic, bigoted piece of Mormon shit don't have the faculties of discernment of a turnip. He stood on the Senate floor and defended BCCI, for chrissakes!

bigdog



Oh man, it is so nice to be called an elitist.  Let's see- have you ever lived in Pensacola. I'll bet not. If so, just know that I grew up in Brownsville. Yeah I got a college education, so that made me an elitist, right? I even worked a couple of years as a social worker after college. Then I quit and raised my 3 kids.
I went back to work at the most ELITIST job anyone could ever think of Deus- I drove a special ed SCHOOL BUS. Shocked A friend of mine was doing it and told me I could be home with my kids in the summer. She said I should try it. Since my kids have always been my number one occupation, I decided to.   Yeah. For 25 years. I loved the job. My husband has worked on cars, his entire life. He just retired but up until 4 days ago, he came home dirty from work every single day with bondo and sweat on his uniform.
You've opened your mouth and made a damned fool out of yourself again Deus.
You don't have to be an elitist to dislike reality tv, because it isn't real. You don't have to be an elitist to not be impressed with a bunch of people out there pretending to sing on the radio today. The pop artists out there today are not Sinatra and the country singers are a hell of a long way from being Johnny Cash.  I am not impressed.  Sorry if that bugs you. And I refused to be sucked into a stupid show about people surviving on an island when there are obviously a camera crew taking their pictures and a yacht parked just offshore with their camera equipment. That doesn't mean I'm an elitist. It means I can THINK. It's why I did not vote for Trump.
So keep on worshiping those basketball players and watching American Idol every week. Enjoy it. They numb your brain  so you don't watch what's going on in the real world. I'm no elitist, but I prefer real life and to know what is actually going on. I can face  it.
And as for all those hill people who voted for Trump even though he's a millionaire, they are Clinton haters. It's an incurable mental illness. Some psychiatrist needs to write a book about it someday. Because it is WAY beyond the hatred levels that you can usually find in a healthy mind.

RealLindaL



bigdog wrote:You don't have to be an elitist to not be impressed with a bunch of people out there pretending to sing on the radio today. The pop artists out there today are not Sinatra and the country singers are a hell of a long way from being Johnny Cash.  I am not impressed.

Makes at least two of us, bd.

bigdog



I listen to "Willie's Roadhouse" on Sirius more than any other station. Some of the older singers on there are terrible, like Ernest Tubb, but a nice dose of Jim Reeves or Willie himself  make up for it.


I don't know much about Lady Gaga. I heard her sing in the Super Bowl and on some other show once, and it occurred to me that she had a very good voice. Maybe not Patsy Cline or Ann Murray or Lady Day,  but a good voice. She seems to have a lot of fans, I guess she might become a "legend" someday.
I guess to each his own in music, but I just don't feel like most people under 40 have ever listened to any real music, just a lot of noise.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

bigdog wrote:
PkrBum wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1ON144
Can  I tell you something about LaBron James? I couldn't identify him or any other basketball player in a police line-up, so I don't think anything he says publicly will ever bother me or make me want to respond to it.
Ditto for most of today's so called "music legends," reality TV Stars, or nearly any actor or actress under about the age of 40.
I once had lunch with a Kardashian (no joke) and would not have known it except that one of the other people at the table told me who it was. And they said she looked exactly like the Kardashians. I had and still have no idea what that family does or looks like. I am old enough to really not give a damn.
I do resent the use of the word "legend" though. If I haven't heard of you, you're not a legend.  Legends are people like Elvis, Sinatra, Willie Nelson, Springsteen, Gable, Bogart, Robert deNiro, -people that you could take a picture of to anywhere on the planet and they would be identified. Legend and iconic are the two most overused words in the English language. Ok, I'm finished with my speech now-but just know, I don't give a rat's arse what any ball player has to say.

Hold up, bigdog. Just because he's a famous sports figure doesn't disqualify him from the First Amendment. However, if he's quoting lyrics, or whatever, he should use quotation marks and reference the person or song. That would save having to apologize later for something that might have been taken the wrong way. I might not agree with what he says, but I won't automatically discount it either.

RealLindaL



bigdog wrote:I just don't feel like most people under 40 have ever listened to any real music, just a lot of noise.

And I might say people under 60. In any case I generally agree with you, but you DO know we sound just like our parents, yes? Smile

bigdog



LOL-here's the problem with that-my mom and dad kind of liked the Beatles. And when I was a teenager, I already liked Sinatra and the Beatles, Waylon Jennings (especially his version of McArthur Park) and Kenny Rogers and the First Edition. I even liked Kenny Rogers when he was with the "New Christy Minstrels." That really shows my age. I named my first daughter's middle name Christy after that group. At any rate, I had my Beatles albums but they were likely on a shelf with Andy Williams, Waylon Jennings, Sinatra,  Ella Fitzgerald, Simon and Garfunkel and  of course Peter, Paul and Mary. My mother's FAVORITE song was Puff the Magic Dragon-she had no idea of its meaning, but she loved the song. 
There were no Rolling Stones albums there though, no Kiss ,  and in general, no music in which the bass drowns out the vocals to the point you can't hear the words. That's my number one complaint about music the last 40 years. I can't understand the words, and my hearing is perfect.

bigdog



Floridatexan wrote:
bigdog wrote:
PkrBum wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1ON144
Can  I tell you something about LaBron James? I couldn't identify him or any other basketball player in a police line-up, so I don't think anything he says publicly will ever bother me or make me want to respond to it.
Ditto for most of today's so called "music legends," reality TV Stars, or nearly any actor or actress under about the age of 40.
I once had lunch with a Kardashian (no joke) and would not have known it except that one of the other people at the table told me who it was. And they said she looked exactly like the Kardashians. I had and still have no idea what that family does or looks like. I am old enough to really not give a damn.
I do resent the use of the word "legend" though. If I haven't heard of you, you're not a legend.  Legends are people like Elvis, Sinatra, Willie Nelson, Springsteen, Gable, Bogart, Robert deNiro, -people that you could take a picture of to anywhere on the planet and they would be identified. Legend and iconic are the two most overused words in the English language. Ok, I'm finished with my speech now-but just know, I don't give a rat's arse what any ball player has to say.

Hold up, bigdog.  Just because he's a famous sports figure doesn't disqualify him from the First Amendment.  However, if he's quoting lyrics, or whatever, he should use quotation marks and reference the person or song.  That would save having to apologize later for something that might have been taken the wrong way.  I might not agree with what he says, but I won't automatically discount it either.
LOL, I agree with you 100% that he has a First Amendment right to say whatever he wants to say.
My point was that  since he's not really anyone I follow or am at all interested in, I have the right not to care what he has to say. And I don't. Maybe Deus is right and I'm just self-centered. I don't know, but I chose a long time ago not to let what strangers say bother me, be they famous or not. This guy said something stupid but I think we had the argument on here years ago about athletes being role models. I go with "No" on that. I think back then I said for a hero to pick a fireman. They don't let people down.

Telstar

Telstar

bigdog wrote:I listen to "Willie's Roadhouse" on Sirius more than any other station. Some of the older singers on there are terrible, like Ernest Tubb, but a nice dose of Jim Reeves or Willie himself  make up for it.


I don't know much about Lady Gaga. I heard her sing in the Super Bowl and on some other show once, and it occurred to me that she had a very good voice. Maybe not Patsy Cline or Ann Murray or Lady Day,  but a good voice. She seems to have a lot of fans, I guess she might become a "legend" someday.
I guess to each his own in music, but I just don't feel like most people under 40 have ever listened to any real music, just a lot of noise.





Here she is redefining The Sound of Music. If their is any justice she will be winning an Oscar (or two) herself this year. Hopefully she will break the long time curse of the A Star Is Born movies. ( if only she could do something about those damn trumpets under her arms.)

bigdog



Yes, she has a fantastic voice.  Tats are a generational thing, I guess. My youngest daughter has them, but now that she's in her 30's, she only still likes one of them. My son did something even more gross with all the piercings, but he always said at least they wouldn't be hard to get rid of later, like tattoos are.   He said he knew he'd eventually regret a tattoo, and lo and behold, he's almost 40 with no piercings or tattoos left over.

I think it's odd that Lady GaGa put those trumpets inside of her arm instead of outside.

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