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It is time to call the Saudis on the carpet

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Floridatexan
zsomething
2seaoat
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2seaoat



They have bought and paid for Donald Trump, as they have done with seventy years of American Presidents and Congress. They with the Israelis fund ISIS in the early stages of the Syrian Civil war, and we ignore the same. They finance the murder of three thousand Americans, and manipulate the Iraq war where we lose another five thousand and nearly seven trillion of our wealth. They are murdering children in Yemen, openly fighting Iran, and killing an American newspaper journalist because they can.

I want a few trillion pay back to America, and their evil stench in colonial middle east politics ended. The oil has been evil......f it .

zsomething



It's past time, but I really don't think this president will do it. I don't think he's capable of holding anyone accountable if they've flattered him or if he's making money from them, and in this case it's both. Congress may have the spine to go over Trump's head and demand something, but Trump's a weak excuse for a "leader" and he'll never protect America if it conflicts with his own vanity or lucre.

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But it was perfectly fine when obama was bowing to them. Standard leftist hypocrisy.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PkrBum wrote:But it was perfectly fine when obama was bowing to them. Standard leftist hypocrisy.

It is time to call the Saudis on the carpet Bushkiss-300x250

It is time to call the Saudis on the carpet Dictator-relations---bush_qqni58

AFTER September 11, 2001!

zsomething



From back in April.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5575395/Saudi-crown-prince-brags-Jared-Kushner-handed-U-S-intelligence.html

Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman bragged of receiving classified US intelligence from Jared Kushner and using it as part of a purge of 'corrupt' princes and businessmen, DailyMail.com can disclose.

The de facto ruler of the Middle East's largest economy is currently on a US tour which has seen him meet President Donald Trump in the White House, hold talks with a string of the country's richest and most influential people and book the entire Four Seasons in Beverly Hills for himself and his entourage.

Sources have told DailyMail.com that the prince – known by his initials MBS – has been boasting about his close relationship with the president's son-in-law and senior adviser, and the intelligence which he has told his circle Kushner passed to him.

But it saw allegations of torture as hundreds were rounded up, including princes from rival parts of the Saudi royal family and some of the country's wealthiest businessmen.

DailyMail.com revealed a photograph showing the detainees sleeping on the floor of a ballroom at the Riyadh Ritz Carlton, and disclosed that some had been tortured.

The New York Times later reported that one of the detainees had died from his injuries.

Most are said to have reached 'settlements' with the Saudi government, and MBS himself boasted in a 60 Minutes interview that the government had regained at least $100 billion from them.

Kushner claimed through his attorney Abbe Lowell that it was a 'false story'.

Peter Mirijanian, Lowell's spokesman, said: 'The alleged exchange never happened. Mr Kushner was and is well aware of the rules governing information and follows those rules.'

Despite Kushner's denial sources have told DailyMail.com how MBS boasted in private that Kushner was the source of intelligence used in the round-up.

He also told members of his circle that the intelligence included information on who was disloyal to him. There is no way to independently verify the truth of the boast.

'Jared took a list out of names from US eavesdrops of people who were supposedly MBS's enemies,' said one source, characterizing how MBS spoke about the information.

'He took a list out of these people who had been trashing MBS in phone calls, and said 'these are the ones who are your enemies'.

Out of the blue, Nikki Haley resigned just before this murder took place. It could be that that's coincidence, but if she knew something had been green-lit and she wanted out before the mess landed on her plate, the timing couldn't be much better.

Meanwhile, Trump claimed he had no financial interests in Saudi Arabia.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/16/trump-says-no-financial-interests-in-saudi-arabia-but-makes-money.html

SPOILER ALERT for anyone who hasn't been following the plot for the past buncha years, but Donald Trump is a goddamned liar.

https://mic.com/articles/130070/here-are-some-of-donald-trump-s-middle-east-business-ventures#.f1hiW1o29

All the "hey Obama did bleh-bleh-bleh" in the world ain't gonna save Trump from this. But it's fun to watch nitwits try. Smile

2seaoat



I have been a Saudi critic since the 1970s, and have never ceased. PK thinks that President Obama is comparable to Trump. That is a serious defect in reality assessment. Your Obama deranged syndrome needs to be alternating between him and HIllary......you will not sound so imbalanced.....well that simply was not me being truthful...........you are officially nuts.

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I don't think that there's much comparison at all... except maybe with Saudi. Obama was one of the weakest and most naive foriegn policy presidents in our history. From bowing to Saud... to pink lines... to backing the Muslim brotherhood... to leaving our ambassador to die in libya... to whispering sweet giveaways to putin... then the iran giveaway... etc.

Trump may talk crazy... but his results are much better. We're not being taken advantage of as much... hostages are being returned... lil rocketman isn't firing ballistic missiles over allies or setting off nukes. China is being confronted on everything from trade to currency manipulation to the construction of military islands in the trade routes. Russia hasn't attacked another nation and trump increased sanctions.

No... they aren't very comparable if you just look at results. I'm not even sure why the left is all of the sudden are Erdogan lovers. That reporter was pretty critical of the US and was reportedly friendly with bin laden and the Muslim brotherhood. He wasn't even a US citizen. What exactly do you want trump to do?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

pkrbum wrote:What exactly do you want trump to do?
For someone who didn't support Drumpf, you're one of his biggest fans. I want him OUT OF OFFICE. I don't care how. And I want the Republicans who are rubber-stamping his every move out as well, because many of them have also been compromised by Russian money via the NRA.

Deus X

Deus X

Floridatexan wrote:  I want him OUT OF OFFICE.

2seaoat



to leaving our ambassador to die in libya

Seriously, you are completely delusional and would not understand the truth in regard to President Obama and his successful eight years in office if you were an eyewitness to the events you allege. It is tinfoil land.

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Guest

2seaoat wrote:to leaving our ambassador to die in libya

Seriously, you are completely delusional and would not understand the truth in regard to President Obama and his successful eight years in office if you were an eyewitness to the events you allege.  It is tinfoil land.

Our allies pulled their ambassadors and even the red cross evacuated. Jihadist flags were openly flown.

Those are simple truths. The obama admin was either naive or incompetent... likely both.

Hell... obama even assassinated a juvenile citizen.

Telstar

Telstar

Republicans assassinate juvenile American citizens.



polecat

polecat

Rep. Ted Lieu scoffed at this nonsense, as did we. "I'm pleased that Saudi Arabia has finally realized that when you cut up a human being into little pieces they will in fact be dead

John Amato questions how it is that the dudes involved in the fist fight just happened to have dismemberment tools with them. Fair point.

Another respondent warned never to bring fists to a bone saw fight.

It is time to call the Saudis on the carpet Dpydyn10
It is time to call the Saudis on the carpet Dpyubr10

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#fakeoutrage

https://www.aclu.org/video/aclu-ccr-lawsuit-american-boy-killed-us-drone-strike

https://www.aclu.org/cases/al-aulaqi-v-panetta-constitutional-challenge-killing-three-us-citizens?redirect=targetedkillings

The American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) filed a lawsuit in 2012 challenging the government’s targeted killing of three U.S. citizens in drone strikes far from any armed conflict zone. Oral argument was held in July 2013 in Washington, and the court dismissed the case in April 2014.

In Al-Aulaqi v. Panetta (sometimes called Al-Awlaki v. Panetta) the ACLU and CCR charge that the U.S. government’s killings of U.S. citizens Anwar Al-Aulaqi, Samir Khan, and 16-year-old Abdulrahman Al-Aulaqi in Yemen in 2011 violated the Constitution’s fundamental guarantee against the deprivation of life without due process of law.

The killings were part of a broader program of “targeted killing” by the United States outside the context of armed conflict. The program is based on vague legal standards, a closed executive decision-making process, and evidence never presented to the courts, even after the killing.

Since 2002, and routinely since 2009, the U.S. government has carried out deliberate and premeditated killings of suspected terrorists overseas. In some cases, including that of Anwar Al-Aulaqi, the targets were placed on “kill lists” maintained by the CIA and the Pentagon. According to news accounts, the targeted killing program has expanded to include “signature strikes” in which the government does not know the identity of individuals, but targets them based on “patterns” of behavior that have never been made public. The New York Times has reported that the government counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.

Outside of armed conflict, both the Constitution and international law prohibit killing without due process, except as a last resort to avert a concrete, specific, and imminent threat of death or serious physical injury. Even in the context of an armed conflict against an armed group (which did not exist in Yemen at the time of these killings), the government may use lethal force only against individuals who are directly participating in hostilities against the United States. Regardless of the context, whenever the government uses lethal force, it must take all possible steps to avoid harming civilian bystanders. In the Al-Aulaqi v. Panetta lawsuit, the ACLU and CCR argue that the senior CIA and military leaders who authorized and directed the killings violated these standards.

Anwar Al-Aulaqi and Samir Khan were killed in a
U.S. drone strike in Yemen on September 30, 2011. Abdulrahman Al-Aulaqi, a 16-year-old boy born in Denver, was killed in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen on October 14, 2011, while he was eating dinner at an outdoor restaurant with his teenage cousin.

According to the groups’ legal complaint, the killings violated the right to due process under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, the prohibition on unreasonable seizures under the Fourth Amendment, and, with respect to Anwar Al-Aulaqi, the ban on extrajudicial death warrants imposed by the Constitution’s Bill of Attainder Clause. The killings also violated international law, which is incorporated through the Constitution.

The defendants moved to dismiss the lawsuit, arguing that the courts have no role to play in determining whether the killings of the three Americans were lawful.  In July 2013, a federal district court in Washington, D.C., heard oral argument on the defendants’ motion, and we await the court’s decision.

This case follows a lawsuit filed by the ACLU and CCR in 2010 challenging Anwar Al-Aulaqi’s placement on government kill lists, before his death. A federal district court dismissed the case, holding that the plaintiff, Al-Aulaqi’s father, lacked standing to bring suit, and that the request for before-the-fact judicial review raised “political questions” that the court could not decide.

2seaoat



Obama was one of the weakest and most naive foriegn policy presidents in our history.

Too funny, like real tough guys announce to the world how tough they are and prance around like a banty rooster, or they simply stfu and get it done. Naive is ignorance in the white house and you got your tough talking do nothing tough guy......posers like posers.....

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I could go on and on. He rarely got foriegn policy right... from his pink line to the bungled benghazi. Feckless.

Telstar

Telstar

It is time to call the Saudis on the carpet Oblbur10

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

I got a lil bit different take on this thing …

Look, this incident happened to a Saudi citizen in a Saudi embassy in the country of Turkey.  (who so happened to have been nominally employed by the WaPo for only the past year or so)

The Saudis (and many other countries with ruthless governments) disappear their own citizens for anti-government activities all the freaking time. (including some USA neighbors to our immediate south)  Always have.   Are we, the USA, going to throw a big hissy fit on the world stage, threaten sanctions or to take some other action for every single one of them?

The US should issue a general statement of concern over the incident and condemnation of the targeting of journalists by governments and other organizations anywhere and everywhere.  IMO that's about as far as we ought to get involved in it.

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