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Democrats just killed any chance for the senate at midterm.....toothless and stupid

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EmeraldGhost
othershoe1030
Sal
Floridatexan
zsomething
Telstar
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2seaoat



When you shoot yourself in the foot with this chit show, the American public understands fairness. It is not like I did not lay this out in detail, yet Democrats are bad checker players. Until they learn to play chess, we are stuck with Donald Trump.....such idiocy.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kavanaugh-slugfest-could-boost-gop-in-midterms-as-polls-show-voter-interest-rising/ar-BBNVaBF?li=BBnb7Kz

Telstar

Telstar

zsomething



Yes, resisting your opposition is always a really terrible tactic. Rolling Eyes If we'd just give the Republicans everything they wanted -- even when what they want is really fucking bad -- then I'm sure they'd go right out and vote for Pelosi and such, right?

We should have just ignored allegations of sexual assault and told women, "Shut up about that, you'll upset the weak, threatened-feeling 'men' on the right!" so the right wouldn't have to react to it. 'Cuz, honestly, the real victim when a guy abuses a woman is the guy, right, because society might deal harshly with him.

Also, it's well-known that (A) conservatives being sociopathic assholes is always the fault of having to react to other people's unfavorable response to sociopathic assholes, and (B) Democrats should have known that a chance to form a mob and attack and mock a survivor of sexual assault would energize Trump fans. When somebody's an idiot motivated entirely by spite, I guess the best thing to do is just give them whatever they want, because otherwise they'll be spiteful.

Which, of course, they never would have, otherwise.

Basically, your philosophy seems to be that the best policy in dealing with sons-of-bitches is to bend over backwards to give every son-of-a-bitch all the perks and rewards of being a non-son-of-a-bitch... because maybe then he won't have to act like a son-of-a-bitch as much. Right?

So, taken to its logical conclusion, if people would only stop voting for Democrats, fewer Republicans would get elected! Right?

What a great plan. You and I should play chess sometime. Your crafty opening move can be surrendering me your queen, both knights, and a bishop, just so I'd be in a good mood and less motivated to win!



Floridatexan

Floridatexan


I can remember playing chess with my dad when I was 12. I could not bring myself to beat him.

zsomething



Floridatexan wrote:
I can remember playing chess with my dad when I was 12.  I could not bring myself to beat him.

I tried playing chess with my dad a few times, and he beat the damnfool outta me pretty quick. But, he was a chess champ. He won the board we played on in a tournament, and he didn't believe in letting me win... which is actually a good thing. He'd show me how I lost instead, which was more helpful. Haven't really played since about 6th grade... it's hard to find people who play it. I've got a friend who collects fancy chess boards, but I don't think he's actually played in years, either.

Telstar

Telstar

zsomething wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
I can remember playing chess with my dad when I was 12.  I could not bring myself to beat him.

I tried playing chess with my dad a few times, and he beat the damnfool outta me pretty quick.  But, he was a chess champ.  He won the board we played on in a tournament, and he didn't believe in letting me win... which is actually a good thing.  He'd show me how I lost instead, which was more helpful.  Haven't really played since about 6th grade... it's hard to find people who play it.   I've got a friend who collects fancy chess boards, but I don't think he's actually played in years, either.




My cousin was on a chess team at school. I never played but wanted to learn. He agreed to teach me and I won the first game. Claiming a fluke he played me again and the outcome was the same. After that he refused to play me.

zsomething



There's a Bret Stephens article about the supposed "Dems are firing up the Republicans by defending women" thing (I won't link to it because it's moronic) but a Twitter thread in response made some good points:

https://twitter.com/zunguzungu/status/1047849540923998208


That Bret Stephens column is the usual mix of bad faith double standards, slippery rhetoric, and calculated omissions

But there IS something clarifying in the meant-to-be startling revelation that, in this case, Bret Stephens Approves of Trump, which is that "a man is being accused of sexual assault" is the point at which #nevertrump becomes #actuallytrump

This, however, is the most stunning rhetorical move: three women who have are testifying have become--without the benefit of "corroboration"--an accumulation of hearsay. I struggle for an interpretation that isn't "Women can't witness without someone vouching for them"

Even if you put aside his highly tendentious understanding of corroboration and the wildly unequal standards he's using, the use of the word "hearsay" is just wildly, flagrantly, and offensively wrong.

Hearsay is when you heard someone else say it. How can you confuse women saying "this happened to me" with that? Unless you are saying that sexual assault claims are, as such, to be doubted (until a Real Witness comes forth to corroborate)?

The easy and correct answer is that Bret Stephens is a lazy hack who slops out wish fulfillment pseudo-arguments for bad people who want to be confirmed in their very bad beliefs and prejudices.

But the shape of the pseudo-argument that is desired--and that he provides--is instructive: what is wanted is an argument for why women cannot reliably witness their own sexual assaults. And so he provides it: it is not evidence, it is merely "hearsay."

The question I have is this: why are all of these fuckers going BEYOND the usual denialist playbook? Why aren't they simply DARVOING through it? https://dynamic.uoregon.edu/jjf/defineDARVO.html … Instead it's "well all boys assault women at 17" and "women can't legally witness their own assaults"

We're about two moves away from rape being defended on the grounds that the government has no business regulating sexuality

2seaoat





"Dems are firing up the Republicans by defending women"

That is the exact Hubris which lost the 2016 election. The Republican base is fired up because they watched the behavior of Senator Harris and Booker being bullies and ignoring senate rules and common decency. You see the success of the Trump populist movement is at the core simple racism.......not a fricking thing to do with women. The democrats chit in their lunch bucket, and probably have lost the mid terms.....as they will whine about this hearing right up to the midterms and miss the most important issue. The tax cuts for the wealthy........but if Harris and Booker are the new face of the Democratic Party.....Barrack Obama they will never be.......

zsomething



2seaoat wrote:

"Dems are firing up the Republicans by defending women"  

That is the exact Hubris which lost the 2016 election.  The Republican base is fired up because they watched the behavior of Senator Harris and Booker being bullies and ignoring senate rules and common decency.

Oh, yeah, Republicans just HATE bullies and violations of common decency! That's why they voted for Trump, right? Very Happy

Exactly how did Booker and Harris "bully" anyone? They just didn't sit there and take a bunch of shit off some people who were trying to ram it through. How do you fight back? Go into a defensive fetal position? I don't think you would, either... you're just mad at 'em because, for whatever reason -- and I think it's just the joy of being contrarian, which is a perversity I can understand -- you tied yourself to this Kavanaugh jagoff. If they'd done the same thing protesting tax cuts for the rich or something, I'm fairly sure you'd be cheering 'em.


 
You see the success of the Trump populist movement is at the core simple racism.......not a fricking thing to do with women.

A lot of what's at the core of the Trump movement is Gamergate. If you don't know what Gamergate is, look into it. Racists now (and throughout history, really, but especially lately) are also very anti-feminist. They hate women who stand up for themselves as much as they hate black and brown folks who stand up for themselves. Hating feminists is a huge motivation for them. That's another reason they voted for Trump.

See, that's the thing -- people think "Republicans voted for Trump despite him being a racist, pussy-grabbing jerk." But if that's true at all, it's only true for a really small number of conservatives. For the most part, they voted for him BECAUSE he's a racist pussy-grabbing jerk. That's why they picked him over a bunch of other more well-mannered, decent candidates. They always claim, "Oh, we just HAD to pick him because the alternative was Hillary." Oh no no no noooooo, sweethearts, that totally ignores the fact that there was a primary and you could've picked Kasich or Jeb! or Romney... none of whom I'm fans of, but none of whom I think would snatch anybody's pussy or say Nazis are "very fine people." Nope, they picked Trump because they like hate. Give 'em the hateful-bastard option and they'll go for it every time, because they're a clan of toadies, looking for a bully to skip along beside, like remoras after a shark.

There's a little secret about conservatives, which I've learned from living amongst 'em and interacting with 'em for decades, and it's this: the vast majority of 'em are aaaaaassshollllleeess. They like to talk about tha-Jesus 'n' tha-values 'n' virtues and stuff, but don't be fooled, they are some serious pieces of shit, for the most part. Hardcore, uncut, raw-dog scumbag motherfuckers. They like Trump because he'll be hateful to blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, and women and make them feel sad and powerless. And the Kavanaugh thing is part of that. They want to see abused women get defeated. If they have any trepidations about Trump's behavior at all, it's that he's so blatant with it and he's spilling too many beans for 'em. They like what he does, they just wish he'd try to cover it up a little more because he's letting the rest of the world in on the secret that they're bigoted, sexist, bullying pieces of shit. Which isn't really a secret to anybody who spends any real time with 'em, but they think it is.


The democrats chit in their lunch bucket, and probably have lost the mid terms....

Wouldn't bet much more than a buck on that if'n I were you, pard.


.as they will whine about this hearing right up to the midterms and miss the most important issue.  The tax cuts for the wealthy........but if Harris and Booker are the new face of the Democratic Party.....Barrack Obama they will never be.......

Trust me, they won't forget the tax cuts for the wealthy. Trump gish-gallops the horribleness so much that it's hard to focus on any one thing, but Dems will cover all of it.

Really, all that's motivating Trump voters is "Oh no, somebody might stop us from being a bunch of assholes!" That's never as good a motivation as getting an asshole out of your life. The Republicans took the narrowest victory possible (a total around 80,000 votes spread over three or four swing states - like I keep saying, that ain't even a good Springsteen gig turnout) and are running with it and building up a backlash. Don't overestimate your grouchy (and really weird) liking of this Kavanaugh twerp. It may motivate a few to vote for Republicans to keep their dream of being-an-asshole-is-actually-okay alive for a bit longer, but I don't think it's gonna be nearly enough to save 'em.

Sal

Sal

2seaoat wrote:
You see the success of the Trump populist movement is at the core simple racism.......not a fricking thing to do with women.  

This is not correct.

Racism is only part of this backlash.

Over the past 50 years, conservatives have consistently gotten their asses kicked in the culture wars - huge strides have been made in not only racial minority rights, but also in feminism and LBGTQ rights.

Republicans, especially the old ones such as yourself, are truly uncomfortable with all of this.

This discomfort has been inflamed by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of the far right echo chamber.

The far right, and especially the evangelicals, had given up all hope and were damn near suicidal during the Obama administration.

But, then a miracle happened .... Donald Trump.

He was loud and brash, and he pretended to hate everyone they hated.

He is their savior, which explains why they will always support him - all faults notwithstanding, just as long as he continues to lash out at the right kinds of people.

As an aside, this victimization syndrome also explains why Republicans are so eager to believe any crazy ass conspiracy theory.

Does any of this mean we should cede ground in the culture wars to the troglodytes?

FUCK- TO THE -NO.

These are the last primal screams of a hateful, but dying, demographic.

Keep on the right side of history, continue to fight for ALL human rights, and just remember - baby boomers have always sucked.

2seaoat



Republicans, especially the old ones such as yourself, are truly uncomfortable with all of this.

I guess arrogance and hubris extends to the personal area also.....if you believe the judge was denied due process, you are a fossil, homophobic, mysogynist, and needing to be brought into modern times. Simply wrong at so many levels.

The young people who you think are going to change the world, are not uniform in their perceptions of the world. I do agree much of the racism which is taught will die out, but if you do not think it is actively being taught to young people as we speak.....you would be mistaken.

The Democrats had an alternative strategy which could have optimized the scrutiny of the choice of judge, and built a platform for the mid terms.

They chose to panic in full view of the American Public and evolve into an evil McCarthy like witch hunt. My wife is the only person who supports what was done to this man. Her hate of trump, has caused her to lose track of what the goal is.......but then again that was the whole point.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

I agree with Z that Trump voters voted for him BECAUSE he was an outright racist, not in spite of it. The bullying, name calling and abuse of everything in sight that didn't please him was a childish tactic that worked and spoke to those among us who find the PC movement overdone and smothering.

Sure, now the GOP base is starting to get fired up but as Z pointed out, what were the alternatives to pointing out and protesting the partisan stance, lying under oath and lack of judicial temperament of Kavanaugh? Were we just supposed to roll out the red carpet and not bring any of this into public view?

At this point there are many in the legal field writing letters and protesting Kavanaugh. Many who were previously supportive now have changed their positions because of his abusive insulting and out of control performance at his hearing. This kind of attitude is just not acceptable on any court, much less the Supreme Court.

If they wanted to (and they obviously don't) the R's could find plenty of face-saving reasons to have this person's name withdrawn. Kavanaugh will stack the court in a partisan way, protect Trump and some hope whittle away at Roe v Wade. It is right on to point out that apparently women are not able to be witnesses to their own assaults but need someone else to verify. What kind of reasoning is that?

As far as bringing up the tax cuts as an issue, that's all well and good but tax cuts vs women's rights, civil rights etc. is not an especially emotional issue so it won't have the traction that these hot button issues have, the issues that get people fired up and ready to go. 

2seaoat



This kind of attitude is just not acceptable on any court, much less the Supreme Court.

He will be appointed. He can be impeached. However, that gets back to that one important issue..........elections matter.

2seaoat



baby boomers have always sucked.

Well at least you got something right in your hissy fit.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

2seaoat wrote:When you shoot yourself in the foot with this chit show, the American public understands fairness.  It is not like I did not lay this out in detail, yet Democrats are bad checker players.  Until they learn to play chess, we are stuck with Donald Trump.....such idiocy.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kavanaugh-slugfest-could-boost-gop-in-midterms-as-polls-show-voter-interest-rising/ar-BBNVaBF?li=BBnb7Kz

I think in politics you have to be careful when "galvanizing/rallying the base" with all kind of histrionics that you don't overdo it and end up "galvanizing/rallying" your opposition in reaction.

Could be this is what the Democrats are doing right now?  I guess Nov 6 will tell the tale.

Telstar

Telstar

Democrats just killed any chance for the senate at midterm.....toothless and stupid Beer_k11

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Telstar wrote:Democrats just killed any chance for the senate at midterm.....toothless and stupid Beer_k11

When asked in the hearing if the "Bart O'Kavanaugh" character in his friend's book about black out drinking in high school referred to him he declined to answer and said, "You'd have to ask him." In fact Bart was a nickname he went by in high school after a teacher mispronounced his name. You can also see the FFFFF, signature, which he mischaracterized in his hearing.

Democrats just killed any chance for the senate at midterm.....toothless and stupid ?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailydot.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F10%2Ffffff-bart-brett-kavanaugh-beach-week-letter

2seaoat



ok.....does anybody who has really become intoxicated know if they blacked out when they woke up the next day? I have seen people go to sleep drunk only to pop back up and cook us eggs in the middle of the night. My opinion, he was blacked out.....his opinion he was sleeping.

However.............WTF does it matter. Brett drank too much for some people's liking in high school. What does that have to do with him being a supreme court justice. If people cannot even wrap their heads around such simple irrelevancy, then do not be disappointed by the results......they will come as a great shock. Of course where were these same questions for Dr. Ford?

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

2seaoat wrote:ok.....does anybody who has really become intoxicated know if they blacked out when they woke up the next day?  I have seen people go to sleep drunk only to pop back up and cook us eggs in the middle of the night.  My opinion, he was blacked out.....his opinion he was sleeping.

However.............WTF does it matter.  Brett drank too much for some people's liking in high school.   What does that have to do with him being a supreme court justice.   If people cannot even wrap their heads around such simple irrelevancy, then do not be disappointed by the results......they will come as a great shock.  Of course where were these same questions for Dr. Ford?

Again, it is not the drinking per se but his lying repeatedly about so many things. That coupled with his known partisan stances, which kept his appointment to the court he now sits on held up for several years.

Does it bother you that retired SCUTUS Stevens came out today and said he once thought Kavanaugh had the qualifications for the high court but now, due to his histrionics at his hearing says that alone (never mind the drinking in high school and college and the lying currently under oath) should disqualify him?

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/10/04/supreme-court-justice-john-paul-stevens-kavanaugh-tsr-vpx.cnn

2seaoat



Does it bother you that retired SCUTUS Stevens came out today and said he once thought Kavanaugh had the qualifications for the high court but now, due to his histrionics at his hearing says that alone (never mind the drinking in high school and college and the lying currently under oath) should disqualify him?

Not at all. He handled the bullies exactly like he should. He was not on the bench. What mealy mouth cowards. Thank you for establishing my faith in courage when facing a mob. He will be objective and fair, as the unanimous bar polls have indicated. folks your whining is pathetic. Even Bob at this point would admit he was wrong......but nope.... like any of this insanity was necessary.

Vikingwoman



They weren't wrong. Kavenaugh did it.

2seaoat



They weren't wrong. Kavenaugh did it.

Not according to Susan Collins. The smart lady knew the proper standard to apply and she said clearly it was not met......you do understand that she was using the lowest standard of proof in America, and not the beyond a reasonable doubt, and she still found no basis at the low standard of proof. Nothing.

Guest


Guest

Vikingwoman wrote:They weren't wrong. Kavenaugh did it.

sub·jec·tive
səbˈjektiv/Submit
adjective
1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"
synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive
"a subjective analysis"

2seaoat



You are too kind. This is a full fledge melt down based on hysteria. The Republicans will win the senate easily, and the house will stay with the republicans........this is not horseshoes or hand grenades. Close means nothing. Now five weeks of whine until they get humiliated at the polls because they actually think this is winning the folks necessary to win the mid terms. It is simple arrogance combined with low intelligence. I think of tip O'neil and senator Douglas as they quietly got things passed, because they believed that all politics are local, and when the Democratic party does not get that....they have rejected white blue collar males and they cannot beat trump until those democrats hop back on board........where are the tax bill ads telling every American who benefited from the tax cuts to the wealthy.....where is the breakdown of the real costs to farm tariffs......where is the analysis of these trade agreement which Trump is falsely saying are wins for America......Not a fricking thing because they are patting themselves on the back for this chit show.

Deus X

Deus X

Seaoat, this [........] is not a fucking punctuation mark. It's gibberish!

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