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Why do so many cowards choose law enforcement?

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Wordslinger

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It seems like every week some unarmed black man is murdered by the cops -- from one coast to another. Then, rightfully, the protest demonstrations start, the city governments and police departments do all they can to minimize the event, and interminable investigations are begun. When you earnestly read about these incidents as I do, body camera and/or security camera footage reveals an officer or two in a confrontation with a doomed black suspect, who is fatally shot (as many as 20 times) by cops who claim they thought the suspect had a gun.

Of course, if an officer fatally shoots a suspect because he believed his own life was in danger, it's unlikely the killer will be convicted of any crime. The investigations often go on for more than a year.

Consider: These tragic happenings aren't direct expressions of racial hatred. No. We should believe the common excuse -- the cops thought the suspect had a gun and that their lives were in danger. The facts are, most cops become law enforcement officers because they want to be seen as "enforcement" types. Underneath, they're fear driven and want to confront and control their issues. Is hatred involved? Of course. Fear is the mother of hatred. Footage of the recent shooting in Sacramento presents both officer's yelling, insulting and intimidating the suspect and their own personal fear is obvious by the volume of their shouts.

Fact -- there is more crime in minority, poverty stricken neighborhoods -- more brutality, more violence, more shootings. Of course police are much more self-protective in such environments. Another factor is that all the confrontation training they receive makes self-preservation the prime priority. If you think your life is in danger -- put the suspect down.

I can't help wondering, why do so many men and women with deep-rooted inner problems about personal security choose law enforcement as a career? Let's fact it, if you're going to carry deadly weapons in confrontations in problem neighborhoods, and you're terrified by it, you have to admit, you sure as hell aren't Wild Bill Hickok, Wyatt Earp or Doc Holliday.

Something is terribly wrong with how our law enforcement officers are selected, evaluated and trained. It's all too clear by the dismal record, that all too often it's the wrong men and women who are being assigned to enforce our laws in crime-ridden neighborhoods.

Reality.

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Deus X

Training Officers to Shoot First, and He Will Answer Questions Later

The shooting looked bad. But that is when the professor is at his best. A black motorist, pulled to the side of the road for a turn-signal violation, had stuffed his hand into his pocket. The white officer yelled for him to take it out. When the driver started to comply, the officer shot him dead.

The driver was unarmed.

Taking the stand at a public inquest, William J. Lewinski, the psychology professor, explained that the officer had no choice but to act.

“In simple terms,” the district attorney in Portland, Ore., asked, “if I see the gun, I’m dead?”

“In simple terms, that’s it,” Dr. Lewinski replied.

When police officers shoot people under questionable circumstances, Dr. Lewinski is often there to defend their actions. Among the most influential voices on the subject, he has testified in or consulted in nearly 200 cases over the last decade or so and has helped justify countless shootings around the country.

His conclusions are consistent: The officer acted appropriately, even when shooting an unarmed person. Even when shooting someone in the back. Even when witness testimony, forensic evidence or video footage contradicts the officer’s story.


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/us/training-officers-to-shoot-first-and-he-will-answer-questions-later.html

zsomething



I don't think all cops are bad. But, that said, pretty much every bully in my high school went on to become a cop.

And, yeah, if you're that terrified of people, don't become a cop. If you're so terrified that you mistake a cell phone for a weapon, then you shouldn't be a cop. Or if you can get so enraged that you kill someone, you also shouldn't be given a badge. Also, if you can't meet a certain level of intelligence, you shouldn't be given a badge, either. Those high-school bullies I mentioned earlier were also all really stupid.

Far too many cowards, bullies, and idiots are in law enforcement now. Again, not all cops are bad... but that profession does need MUCH stricter standards to weed out the people who aren't fit to carry out a demanding set of duties.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Why do so many cowards choose law enforcement? Bill-lewinski-660x495

“Angel of Death” Psychologist Getting Rich Justifying Killer Cops (UPDATED)

August 6, 2015

Ed. Note: Contact the President of Minnesota State University Richard Davenport by Phone: 507-389-1111 or by Email: richard.davenport@mnsu.edu if you think it’s wrong to have a Professor Emeritus doing what you’re going to read about below.

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UPDATE 8/12: Minnesota State University, Mankato’s Director of Media relations has told the following to PINAC: “The reason I am writing you is to let you know that Dr. William Lewinski has not been employed at Minnesota State University, Mankato for more than five years. His last date of employment here at the University was May 10, 2010.  In addition, the Force Science Institute, Ltd., is not part of Minnesota State University, Mankato and does not receive funding from the University.” Continued requests for clarification of the meaning and status of Bill Lewinski’s claimed title “Professor Emeritus of Law Enforcement” – which is also listed on the Force Science Institute – and for clarification of Minnesota State, Mankato University’s past and current relationship to Force Science Institute and it’s physical location, permission to moonlight and more have been sent to Mr. Benson, but not yet answered. This editor’s note in this article has been updated to note Lewinski’s proper title as “Professor Emeritus” and underlined.

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William J. Lewinski has been using a combination of questionable “science” and research to travel the “killer cop” circuit for decades, charging upwards of $1,000 per hour for his expert testimony.

The New York Times reports that the Angel of Death’s testimony always is in favor of the state.

The behavioral scientist from Minnesota State University has never seen an officer involved shooting that he didn’t consider justified.

If that sounds to you like a fake university from a TV script, you’re not out of your mind. Minnesota State University was a fictional institution made up for the sitcom “Coach” and then later used by the former Mankato State University two years after the show’s run featuring Craig Nelson ended.

There’s nothing funny about this fake expert

Whenever police officers shoot civilians under questionable circumstances, Lewinski is the man they call to defend their actions.

The appearance of impropriety in hiring a purported expert who never, ever finds fault in the state is strong.

If an officer lies and a citizen dies, it’s all justified by his “Force Science Institute”.

If a citizen sues and wins, it’s all paid for by the state too, including the prosecution of wrongdoing, or in too many cases, the defense of the indefensible.

That’s where the Angel of Death Bill Lewinski enters the picture.

Regardless of the circumstance or evidence, police departments can always count on Lewinski to have their back.

Testifying in over 200 cases throughout his career,Bill Lewinski has helped exonerate countless cops across the country.

In April, PINAC reported on Lewinski’s defense of Robert Bates, the volunteer reserve deputy who accidentally shot and killed Eric Harris, mistaking his gun for a taser. That infamous Oklahoma police video introduced us to Officer “Fuck Your Breath”.

William H. Lewinski chalked up the deadly mistake by a 73-year-old volunteer officer to the physiological theory for which he invented called “slips-and-capture.”

In fact, Lewinski’s testimony is often limited by DA’s Motion for Limine in which a judge decides which evidence should be heard or not heard in front of the jury, according to case law found easily on the internet.

“Dr. Lewinski does not seem to meet any of the standards required for expert testimony in our courts. Instead his unscientific opinions are used to mislead juries.” said Florida criminal defense lawyer Warren Redlich.

According to Police One:

“These are mistakes that are made when you think you are doing one thing but you actually are doing another and the result often is directly opposite of what you intended,” Lewinski says. “In effect, your intended behavior ‘slips off’ the path you wanted it to go because it is ‘captured’ by a stronger response and sent in a different direction.

Bill Lewinski earlier provided testimony which helped clear a Vancouver, B.C. constable after an officer shot Paul Boyd dead in 2007.

Paul Boyd was wounded, unarmed and crawling in the street when he was fatally shot.

Lewinski cited another one of his own physiological phenomenons which he called, “inattentional blindness,” as the reason the officer was unable to properly assess the threat.

After CBCNews released several reports on Lewinski and his close financial relationship with police, the British Columbia Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner stated that his department would “not use Lewinski” in future cases.

“It seems like Lewinski is the go-to guy when you can’t get a more credible pro-police expert like Massad Ayoob to testify favorably,” said Redlich who’s well known for his Fair DUI flyer.

The battle tested bias that the 70-year-old “expert” brings to the table makes him a hot commodity in the courtroom.

“He won’t give an inch on cross-examination,” said Elden Rosenthal, a lawyer who represented the family of James Jahar Perez, the man killed in the 2004 Portland shooting. In that case, Dr. Lewinski also testified before the grand jury, which brought no charges. Defense lawyers like Dr. Lewinski, Mr. Rosenthal said. “They know that he’s battle-hardened in the courtroom, so you know exactly what you’re getting.”

Lewinski is reportedly very confident in the courtroom and is seldom flustered by cross examination.

Lewinski — who received his doctorate from the Union for Experimenting Colleges and Universities, a distance learning school — published his research in police magazines instead of behavioral science journals.

Fellow psychologists question the reliability of his research since it has not been peer-reviewed.

He often uses psuedoscientific terms which lack peer review and are self-created, alongside research which isn’t peer reviewed to justify whichever officer happens to be on trial or under investigation.

Juries have shown that Lewinski is able to convince them that officers are actually in fear of the lives, creating the reasonable doubt for the cop to walk.

Most of the “science” for which Lewinski relies on is the amount of time (.25 seconds) that it takes for a potential suspect to draw a gun and shoot a cop.

Thereby giving cops a license to kill anyone and be “justified” based on the fact that the suspect could be armed and could be willing to shoot a cop.

Nonetheless, the shoot first, ask questions later narrative is being taught to law enforcement across the country.  Everyone is a potential threat, who is .25 seconds away from gunning down a cop.

Florida lawyer and open carry advocate Eric Friday commented on Lewinski’s testimony skills that, “the ability of expert witnesses to mislead jurors is one reason why it is so important that law enforcement be required to use body cameras to record their interactions with citizens.”

Cincinnati, Las Vegas, Milwaukee and Seattle have all received training from Lewinski and his company.

Lewinski has even crossed the pond and given horrifying advice to UK cops. In London’s Met Police faced a jury for a dubious killing in Hackney in 1999.2_9

The Angel of Death went transatlantic to mislead a British jury trying officers on suspicion of Murder.

Their Professional Firearms Officers Association awarded Lewinski with Lifetime Membership for his act of courtroom heroism.

I’m sure it came with a nice vacation both at trial and later.

He trains cops to be trigger happy, then defends their actions in court for $1,000 an hour, a lucrative proposition indeed.

Training police to shoot first costs taxpayers a fortune in defending the police, the settlements, and paying for experts – like Lewinski – which shows the clear conflict of interest inherent in having someone train agents of the state to wound or kill citizens in pre-emptive self defense.

If the Angel of Death was busy training departments to de-escalate, his pricey courtroom services to might no longer be in demand.

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/08/angel-of-death-psychologist-getting-rich-justifying-killer-cops/

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Why do so many cowards choose law enforcement? Mengelefor

Josef Mengele, also known as the Angel of Death

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zsomething wrote:I don't think all cops are bad.  But, that said, pretty much every bully in my high school went on to become a cop.  

And, yeah, if you're that terrified of people, don't become a cop.  If you're so terrified that you mistake a cell phone for a weapon, then you shouldn't be a cop.  Or if you can get so enraged that you kill someone, you also shouldn't be given a badge.  Also, if you can't meet a certain level of intelligence, you shouldn't be given a badge, either.  Those high-school bullies I mentioned earlier were also all really stupid.

Far too many cowards, bullies, and idiots are in law enforcement now.  Again, not all cops are bad... but that profession does need MUCH stricter standards to weed out the people who aren't fit to carry out a demanding set of duties.  

The business about a lot of cops being bullies nails it. Years ago, Joseph Wambaugh, in The Choirboys, describes cop bullies as "black glove cops". Since Wambaugh was himself an L.A. cop at one point, it indicates that, even within the cop culture, they know who the bullies are.  The Blue Wall, however, keeps decent cops from "outing" them.

I wonder how many of the cops involved in these shootings would be known, within their own departments, as "black glove" cops.

The only solution I see to the problem is the civil lawsuits. Once insurance companies get tired of paying out multi-million dollar settlements, they'll start to pressure municipalities to change their recruiting standards and training to weed out the assholes.

gatorfan



I don't agree with the term "cowards" but I can state you get what you are willing to pay for. If you want highly qualified people with superior training then get ready to pay. Of course tax payers want free solutions and it's easier to whine and protest then writing a bigger check.

Deus X

Deus X

gatorfan wrote:I don't agree with the term "cowards" but I can state you get what you are willing to pay for. If you want highly qualified people with superior training then get ready to pay. Of course tax payers want free solutions and it's easier to whine and protest then writing a bigger check.

You're full of shit!

Cops make more than teachers and a lot of other similar jobs like nurses and municipal employees. The problem isn't the pay, it's that too many of the people who want to be cops are borderline sociopaths who know they can always depend on cop-sucking assholes like you to defend them.

Why do so many cowards choose law enforcement? FLWnLry
https://www1.salary.com/Police-Officer-Salary.html

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The contradiction that irks me is the constant progressive plea for govt solutions and then the whining about a police/authoritarian state. It's as if they have no idea as to the connection. Govt education is a helluva conditioning drug.

gatorfan



Deus X wrote:
gatorfan wrote:I don't agree with the term "cowards" but I can state you get what you are willing to pay for. If you want highly qualified people with superior training then get ready to pay. Of course tax payers want free solutions and it's easier to whine and protest then writing a bigger check.

[size=16]You're full of shit!

Guess you're not up to an adult discussion, just ignorant (and childish) name calling. How pleasant!

Keep posting your "median" income charts, you might THINK they mean something but they don't....for one thing it doesn't address training - the biggest shortfall in the whole system.

Deus X

Deus X

gatorfan wrote:
Guess you're not up to an adult discussion, just ignorant (and childish) name calling. How pleasant!


Well, excu-u-u-use me, I didn't realize I'd stumbled into the Oxford Union Debating Society.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

zsomething wrote:I don't think all cops are bad.  But, that said, pretty much every bully in my high school went on to become a cop.  

And, yeah, if you're that terrified of people, don't become a cop.  If you're so terrified that you mistake a cell phone for a weapon, then you shouldn't be a cop.  Or if you can get so enraged that you kill someone, you also shouldn't be given a badge.  Also, if you can't meet a certain level of intelligence, you shouldn't be given a badge, either.  Those high-school bullies I mentioned earlier were also all really stupid.

Far too many cowards, bullies, and idiots are in law enforcement now.  Again, not all cops are bad... but that profession does need MUCH stricter standards to weed out the people who aren't fit to carry out a demanding set of duties.  

You make good points. I remember when I was in the Air force in 1954 they had an AQE intellect/skill test everyone had to take when you first enlisted. The test showed which areas of Air Force jobs you were qualified to select for training, based on USAF needs. The enlistees with the lowest possible scores were sent for training and work in either Food Service or Air Police. Reality.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

gatorfan wrote:
Deus X wrote:
gatorfan wrote:I don't agree with the term "cowards" but I can state you get what you are willing to pay for. If you want highly qualified people with superior training then get ready to pay. Of course tax payers want free solutions and it's easier to whine and protest then writing a bigger check.

[size=16]You're full of shit!

Guess you're not up to an adult discussion, just ignorant (and childish) name calling. How pleasant!

Keep posting your "median" income charts, you might THINK they mean something but they don't....for one thing it doesn't address training - the biggest shortfall in the whole system.

The issue isn't different training. All police confrontation training pays homage to a single priority: If you think the suspect is armed and might pull his gun and shoot you, kill him first.

The problem is exactly what you've read here in the comments to this thread -- too many sociopaths don uniforms and wear a badge and a gun. The facts are, sociopaths are the most numerous group who appear before police recruiters. Only an idiot would believe that the majority of police applicants are joining to help people. If the shoe fits ...

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

gatorfan wrote:
Deus X wrote:
gatorfan wrote:I don't agree with the term "cowards" but I can state you get what you are willing to pay for. If you want highly qualified people with superior training then get ready to pay. Of course tax payers want free solutions and it's easier to whine and protest then writing a bigger check.

[size=16]You're full of shit!

Guess you're not up to an adult discussion, just ignorant (and childish) name calling. How pleasant!

Keep posting your "median" income charts, you might THINK they mean something but they don't....for one thing it doesn't address training - the biggest shortfall in the whole system.

Forget the name calling. Deus refuted your comment by showing that Police salaries exceed those of teachers and other professional trades. What you're suggesting, is that if you pay a sociopath more, he or she might not be as aggressive and fearful in street confrontations. If that's your point, you are full of shit.

Deus X

Deus X

Wordslinger wrote:  If that's your point, you are full of shit.

Now, now, Word. We don't want to offend the delicate sensibilities of the girly-man snowflake, do we?

gatorfan



Wordslinger wrote:
gatorfan wrote:
Deus X wrote:
gatorfan wrote:I don't agree with the term "cowards" but I can state you get what you are willing to pay for. If you want highly qualified people with superior training then get ready to pay. Of course tax payers want free solutions and it's easier to whine and protest then writing a bigger check.

[size=16]You're full of shit!

Guess you're not up to an adult discussion, just ignorant (and childish) name calling. How pleasant!

Keep posting your "median" income charts, you might THINK they mean something but they don't....for one thing it doesn't address training - the biggest shortfall in the whole system.

The issue isn't different training.  All police confrontation training pays homage to a single priority:  If you think the suspect is armed and might pull his gun and shoot you, kill him first.

The problem is exactly what you've read here in the comments to this thread -- too many sociopaths don uniforms and wear a badge and a gun.  The facts are, sociopaths are the most numerous group who appear before police recruiters.  Only an idiot would believe that the majority of police applicants are joining to help people.  If the shoe fits ...

Thanks for helping make my point. As I said, training is the biggest shortfall, that would include the wrong kind of training but why should I have to explain every minute detail???

BTW, got any facts to back up your "sociopath" claim? I didn't think so.



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gatorfan



Deus X wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:  If that's your point, you are full of shit.

Now, now, Word. We don't want to offend the delicate sensibilities of the girly-man snowflake, do we?

What a hypocrite. Seems like you're the one who explodes when you disagree with someone. Must be a psychological defect on your part.

Deus X

Deus X

In an episode of “The Simpsons,” mad scientist Professor Frink demonstrates his latest creation: a sarcasm detector.

“Sarcasm detector? That’s a really useful invention,” says another character, the Comic Book Guy, causing the machine to explode.

Actually, scientists are finding that the ability to detect sarcasm really is useful. For the past 20 years, researchers from linguists to psychologists to neurologists have been studying our ability to perceive snarky remarks and gaining new insights into how the mind works. Studies have shown that exposure to sarcasm enhances creative problem solving, for instance. Children understand and use sarcasm by the time they get to kindergarten. An inability to understand sarcasm may be an early warning sign of brain disease.


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-science-of-sarcasm-yeah-right-25038/

zsomething



As far as the cops being sociopaths things go, I don't know if there's been any study, but simple reason would show you how attractive a job that is for people with that disorder. If you want to make obscene phone calls, you go where the phone book's the thickest. It's why you get kiddie-fiddlers applying for jobs in daycares... it's their hunting ground.

Sociopaths get off on authority. They like power and to have control over others, and to be able to do things to people and get away with it. What better job for someone who's attracted to that kind of power?

https://mic.com/articles/44423/10-professions-that-attract-the-most-sociopaths#.xMNNjLndj

I know the bullies from my high school went right into law enforcement as soon as they graduated. There's a dude who once pulled a knife on me 'cuz I didn't go to church responding to calls and looking over people in jail right now (where a statistically alarming number of prisoners "hang themselves," by the way, even for this state.). Maybe he's improved some as a human being since then, but knowing him, I kinda doubt it. Another of the school's jerks still greets me with "You still smart?" every time he sees me -- I was in some advanced classes in high school, which seemed to offend him somehow. I also punched back, which is why he had to learn to deal with it. His dad was also a cop, and him and his cop buddy who also lived in the neighborhood used to terrorize every kid who lived there.

So, just based on personal experience, there are a helluva lot of real scumbags on the police force. But, I've met a few who weren't jerks, too, so I know it's not universal. But it's a job that's more attractive to sociopaths than, say, being a postman something. Almost every mail-delivery person I've met has been nice.

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False dilemma. The police state is built upon demagoguery. Sell fear... and you can buy control.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

I had the opportunity this afternoon of speaking to a retired Sheriff on this subject. Of course he defended LEOs. For him the central issue was the conduct of police officers in heavy crimeneighborhoods -- many of which are populated by the poorest of our society -- minority locales. When you go there on a family dispute call, you better draw and shoot first if you think he's going for a gun -- or your dead.

I pointed out that I understand the officer's level of fear in such a confrontation in a dangerous neighborhood. It's a sad fact in America that the most violent crime takes place in places dominated by poverty. It doesn't matter what color the inhabitants are.

So the real problem isn't frightened, armed cops, I thought. It's our system that sucks. Take a black violent urban neighborhood; there's very little legal employment opportunities, and most of young people have been very poorly educated. Their neighborhood is pretty much a ghetto because of racial history that goes, way, way back in American time. So you get young men and cops in violent confrontations.

The problem is, after thinking it over, I was unable to come up with any plausible answers or solutions. How do we end poverty? If any of you have answers, I'm all ears.

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Wordslinger wrote:
The problem is, after thinking it over, I was unable to come up with any plausible answers or solutions.  How do we end poverty?  If any of you have answers, I'm all ears.

If you don't see the obvious answer then you haven't done your homework. It's UBI which is easily affordable in any monetarily sovereign nation and is already being tried in Finland and parts of Canada.

"Do not send to know for whom the UBI tolls, it tolls for thee" (with apologies to John Donne and Ernest Hemingway). In other words: you're sitting at a computer as you read this, google it.

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Draw officers from low crime patrols and put them in the exact locations where the vast majority of shootings and crime take place.  Mandatory education for all juniors... or the military. Prison is the last resort and should be hard labor. Shorten sentences if an earnest effort is put forth. Mandatory work for adults unless there are prohibitive health issues... by which I mean verified medical reasons with no resourcefulness or purpose... not even able to polish shoes. All this ADD or whatever psycho bs needs a trash can. If it's really the case they don't belong in prison anyway. Warehouse them or do the humane thing. Much of the lack of respect of civilized society comes directly from a person's lack of respect and self worth. Humans must feel useful... it drives our mental health... if not financially then certainly as a contribution to their community. We aren't just fruit ripening on the govt vine... we need purpose that causes no harm to others. Or else.

There is much too much aggrandizement of sloth and violence. Those people deserve to fail... one way or another.

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


I've had police friends through the years. I think some of them have suffered a loss due to crime and truly want to help prevent others from going through the same thing, or something similar. I've also had police...both men and women...help me in time of need. Others, maybe, were picked on in their childhood (who hasn't been?), or even abused, and at some level of consciousness want revenge, and then there are those who have something to prove. So there are good cops and bad cops...and in many cases the bad ones are simply novices...sometimes just afraid...those need more training. So I have respect for most policemen. They need to "police" themselves.

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Floridatexan wrote:
I've had police friends through the years.  I think some of them have suffered a loss due to crime and truly want to help prevent others from going through the same thing, or something similar.  I've also had police...both men and women...help me in time of need.  Others, maybe, were picked on in their childhood (who hasn't been?), or even abused, and at some level of consciousness want revenge, and then there are those who have something to prove.  So there are good cops and bad cops...and in many cases the bad ones are simply novices...sometimes just afraid...those need more training.  So I have respect for most policemen.  They need to "police" themselves.

You've completely misidentified the problem. It's that the "good" cops won't out the bad cops. Their "code" is so twisted that outing a bad cop is considered a mortal breach. The so-called "good" cops are therefore complicit in the bad cops brutality and crimes--accomplices to it. Therefore: there's no such thing as a "good" cop. Q.E.D.

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