Petition: No war parade

RealLindaL wrote:Has there been some revival of this parade thing?  I'd heard that the Donald had shelved it some time ago, what with all the pushback.

2seaoat wrote:If Stormy did not tell us about little Donald not attracting her, there is nothing like a bunch of phallic symbols on missile launchers to make him look even more insecure and pathetic.  He has his share of women problems right now, and a parade will not save his sorry little butt.

Floridatexan wrote:

RealLindaL wrote:Has there been some revival of this parade thing?  I'd heard that the Donald had shelved it some time ago, what with all the pushback.

Last I heard, there would be no tanks, but the parade is still planned.

RealLindaL wrote:OK, will take a look at the petition.

Floridatexan wrote:
https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/tell-dc-mayor-bowser?source=ads.fb.tao.military_i0t0h0d0_a1

Trump plans a massive demonstration of military power in Washington, D.C. A war parade would be a waste of our taxpayer dollars, would not do anything to keep our country safe, and would not honor the men and women in uniform. Its entire purpose is to let Trump play dictator for a day, further eroding democracy, and pushing our country even closer to authoritarianism.

Trump's war parade must not be treated as normal. Prevent Trump from holding a dangerous war parade in Washington, D.C.
There are currently 300,354 signatures. NEW goal - We need 325,000 signatures!

Deus X wrote:What a stupid waste of time.

RealLindaL wrote:
You do things your way and I'll make my own decisions as to what's a waste, or stupid, or whatever, thank you very much daddy dear.

Deus X wrote:

RealLindaL wrote:
You do things your way and I'll make my own decisions as to what's a waste, or stupid, or whatever, thank you very much daddy dear.

Ooooh! You so sassy! You make me hot when you talk that daddy stuff!

Deus X wrote:In "Afghanastan" we're fighting the Taliban, as evil an enemy as the world has seen since WWII.

Our soldiers are fighting and dying to protect OTHERS, a noble and honorable an enterprise. Isn't there something in the bible about laying down your life for your friends? John 15:13, I think.


Afghanistan: Harrowing accounts emerge of the Taliban’s reign of terror in Kunduz

Mass murder, gang rapes and house-to-house searches by Taliban death squads are just some of the harrowing civilian testimonies emerging from Kunduz as Afghan forces today claimed to have regained control of key areas of the northern city, Amnesty International said.

The organization has spoken to numerous people, the majority of them women, who have fled Kunduz since Monday, when the Taliban launched a sudden assault on the city. Women human rights defenders from Kunduz spoke of a “hit list” being used by the Taliban to track down activists and others, and described how fighters had raped and killed numerous civilians.

“The harrowing accounts we’ve received paint a picture of a reign of terror during the Taliban’s brutal capture of Kunduz this week. The multiple credible reports of killings, rapes and other horrors meted out against the city’s residents must prompt the Afghan authorities to do more now to protect civilians, in particular in areas where more fighting appears imminent,” said Horia Mosadiq, Afghanistan Researcher at Amnesty International.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/10/afghanistan-harrowing-accounts-emerge-of-the-talibans-reign-of-terror-in-kunduz/


Here's what the Taliban does to their enemies:


Under the Taliban, women are:

Banned from going to school or studying

Banned from working

Banned from leaving the house without a male chaperone

Banned from showing their skin in public

Banned from accessing healthcare delivered by men (with women forbidden from working, healthcare was virtually inaccessible)

Banned from being involved in politics or speaking publicly.

Here's a picture of pre-Taliban life in Kabul:



Nice, huh? Anyone who thinks the richest, most powerful nation on earth should just ignore that needs to read a little more history.

2seaoat wrote:So we are the Russians now.  Invade a country without a care about international law and the sovereignty of the citizens of that nation.  We are now a colonial power where our form of government and our Christian ideals must be followed by every citizen in the world.  The battle in Afghanastan is the battle between modernity and archaic tribal religious structure.   The British failed, the Russians failed, and we have failed.  Is the standard now that America has become the world policeman in America's viewpoint, or a tyranny of wealth and military power which imposes our will on people around the globe.

Are we going to spend 70 years in the country like we did in Korea?  All the things which have been said about North Korea fail to recognize that we have an invading force of close to 40k on the Korean soil.  We have become monsters, and it was not until Donald Trump can rational people begin to question whether this nation is even a good nation any more, or have we become the very evil which we pledged to fight.  We are a paper tiger which is entirely vulnerable actually fighting nation states in real war and combat......not an eight to one advantage, but possibly only a two to one or three to one advantage which has been entirely different from any conflict we have put our armed forces into since wwII.   It is time to change the paradigm.  Hopefully, young people will finish what the babyboomers FU.

Deus X wrote:

2seaoat wrote:So we are the Russians now.  Invade a country without a care about international law and the sovereignty of the citizens of that nation.  We are now a colonial power where our form of government and our Christian ideals must be followed by every citizen in the world.  The battle in Afghanastan is the battle between modernity and archaic tribal religious structure.   The British failed, the Russians failed, and we have failed.  Is the standard now that America has become the world policeman in America's viewpoint, or a tyranny of wealth and military power which imposes our will on people around the globe.

Are we going to spend 70 years in the country like we did in Korea?  All the things which have been said about North Korea fail to recognize that we have an invading force of close to 40k on the Korean soil.  We have become monsters, and it was not until Donald Trump can rational people begin to question whether this nation is even a good nation any more, or have we become the very evil which we pledged to fight.  We are a paper tiger which is entirely vulnerable actually fighting nation states in real war and combat......not an eight to one advantage, but possibly only a two to one or three to one advantage which has been entirely different from any conflict we have put our armed forces into since wwII.   It is time to change the paradigm.  Hopefully, young people will finish what the babyboomers FU.

You arrogant, ignorant fucker! You should spend a little more time reading history and less time shooting off your mouth.

Until the conflict of the 1970s, the 20th Century had seen relatively steady progression for women's rights in the country. Afghan women were first eligible to vote in 1919 - only a year after women in the UK were given voting rights, and a year before the women in the United States were allowed to vote. In the 1950s purdah (gendered separation) was abolished; in the 1960s a new constitution brought equality to many areas of life, including political participation.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/womens-rights-afghanistan-history

And that's from Amnesty International! Modernity got rolled back by the civil war in the '70s then the Soviet occupation. You have very strong opinions but an unconscionably weak grasp of history.

South Korea is a prosperous modern country now and that's because we've been there protecting it from North Korea. I guess you would prefer that the whole country looked like North Korea. That's fucking cowardly, to not protect and defend the powerless.

It's ALWAYS the duty of the powerful to protect and help the weak and oppressed.

Wordslinger wrote:
Like we're doing in Yemen?

Deus X wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:
Like we're doing in Yemen?

Yeah, helping Saudis kill the Iran-backed Houthi rebels. Good! They're just another medieval, fundamentalist, Islamist sect. Fuck 'em, kill 'em all. More people live better lives under our system than under their barbaric theocracy.

Floridatexan wrote:
And of course, there's JOE WILSON'S WAR.  A coke snorting, womanizing politician, who pushes to ally US forces with the mujhadeen against the invading Soviets.