Whoa! When did Romney become a democrat?

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

boards of FL wrote:I'm serious. Can any local Romney supporter tell me, after what you saw tonight, what Romney's tax plan is?

His tax plan is to cut taxes for the rich and middle class and eliminate tax deductions. He did not say deductions which but it going to hurt me badly as don't have many. Anyone w/o children are going to be affected badly.If he cuts the child tax credits then its going to hurt the middle class badly.

He indicated that he would not eliminate deductions for lower and middle income families.

That doesn't make any sense then.Obama asked him where the revenues are coming from and if he doesn't cut deductions from the middle class then he can't produce revenues. Romney is not going to cut deductions for the rich.It has to come from the middle class where all the 47 percenters re because of the deductions. Romney is full of it.He can't do it if he cuts taxes and not tax deductions from the middle class.[/quote]

Plus, he wants to double-down on defense spending, on par with how Reagan did it 30 years ago. How did Reagan afford this after he cut taxes? by instituting the largest peacetime deficits in our nation's history. That is the only way Romney will be able to afford this also; therefore, he is lying through his teeth when he talks about how he will slash the deficit-he will not....

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Dreams, if the economy improves, then government revenue will go up--like with Clinton and Reagan.
As for deductions, again, Romney indicated there would be an income level where deductions would be eliminated. He did not explain details but you don't have time to explain details in 2 minutes.

There's no way the economy is going to improve w/ tax cuts.Bush's tax cuts proved that. It's the same old rhetoric from the republicans that has failed. We have tax cuts now.Romney is saying what he thinks the people want to hear. I think Obama is correct in saying he's not producing any revenue for the economy.What's going to happenis Romney is going to cut social programs for the poor to produce revenue and keep the rich w/ low taxes.

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Well, people want details and I understand that but you have an hour and a half debate with two people talking so it's impossible for either of them to explain details of their plans. Plus, CNN said that Obama was given 4 minutes more to speak tonight than Romney....not that it helped him any.

But as to deductions, Romney indicated that he would have a certain income level as a cutoff for deductions--he did not specify the amount. [/quote

Then he's not going to be be able to raise any revenues because the child tax credit and earned income credit has a income cutoff. It was somewhere around $42000 last year and the earned income credit cuts off at $13000 per year. There's no way Romney will raise any revenue for the deficit.He is blowing smoke.

More jobs, more people working=more taxes taken in by the government

Believe that if you want,Neko but Romney is not going to improve the economy by cutting taxes.It's a mathamatical impossibility.

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Dreams, if the economy improves, then government revenue will go up--like with Clinton and Reagan.
As for deductions, again, Romney indicated there would be an income level where deductions would be eliminated. He did not explain details but you don't have time to explain details in 2 minutes.

There's no way the economy is going to improve w/ tax cuts.Bush's tax cuts proved that. It's the same old rhetoric from the republicans that has failed. We have tax cuts now.Romney is saying what he thinks the people want to hear. I think Obama is correct in saying he's not producing any revenue for the economy.What's going to happenis Romney is going to cut social programs for the poor to produce revenue and keep the rich w/ low taxes.

Dreams, did you listen to Romney? His plan cuts the rate but also eliminates many deductions over a certain income level. So those "loopholes" that we hear so much about--that's what he's talking about.

Obama lost big tonight. He did really poorly. Even if Obama is totally right and Romney is wrong, Obama still lost the debate.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Dreams, if the economy improves, then government revenue will go up--like with Clinton and Reagan.
As for deductions, again, Romney indicated there would be an income level where deductions would be eliminated. He did not explain details but you don't have time to explain details in 2 minutes.

There's no way the economy is going to improve w/ tax cuts.Bush's tax cuts proved that. It's the same old rhetoric from the republicans that has failed. We have tax cuts now.Romney is saying what he thinks the people want to hear. I think Obama is correct in saying he's not producing any revenue for the economy.What's going to happenis Romney is going to cut social programs for the poor to produce revenue and keep the rich w/ low taxes.

Dreams, did you listen to Romney? His plan cuts the rate but also eliminates many deductions over a certain income level. So those "loopholes" that we hear so much about--that's what he's talking about.

Obama lost big tonight. He did really poorly. Even if Obama is totally right and Romney is wrong, Obama still lost the debate.

I don't think Obama did poorly at all. He wasn't as aggressive as Romney-that's for sure but he made more sense and left it up to the people to see the ludicrousness of what Romney was saying. Do you really think cutting the loopholes and lowering the tax rate for the rich is going to produce any revenue? All he really is doing is keeping it the same.The debate has little significance on how people will vote and they already said this prior to the debate.Romney will cut the programs for the poor.This is what he is saying.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Well, people want details and I understand that but you have an hour and a half debate with two people talking so it's impossible for either of them to explain details of their plans. Plus, CNN said that Obama was given 4 minutes more to speak tonight than Romney....not that it helped him any.

But as to deductions, Romney indicated that he would have a certain income level as a cutoff for deductions--he did not specify the amount. [/quote

Then he's not going to be be able to raise any revenues because the child tax credit and earned income credit has a income cutoff. It was somewhere around $42000 last year and the earned income credit cuts off at $13000 per year. There's no way Romney will raise any revenue for the deficit.He is blowing smoke.

More jobs, more people working=more taxes taken in by the government

Believe that if you want,Neko but Romney is not going to improve the economy by cutting taxes.It's a mathamatical impossibility.

I think you weren't listening or don't understand what Romney said.

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Dreams, if the economy improves, then government revenue will go up--like with Clinton and Reagan.
As for deductions, again, Romney indicated there would be an income level where deductions would be eliminated. He did not explain details but you don't have time to explain details in 2 minutes.

There's no way the economy is going to improve w/ tax cuts.Bush's tax cuts proved that. It's the same old rhetoric from the republicans that has failed. We have tax cuts now.Romney is saying what he thinks the people want to hear. I think Obama is correct in saying he's not producing any revenue for the economy.What's going to happenis Romney is going to cut social programs for the poor to produce revenue and keep the rich w/ low taxes.

Yes, he said he would cut programs.Obama then told him the programs he cut.
Dreams, did you listen to Romney? His plan cuts the rate but also eliminates many deductions over a certain income level. So those "loopholes" that we hear so much about--that's what he's talking about.

Obama lost big tonight. He did really poorly. Even if Obama is totally right and Romney is wrong, Obama still lost the debate.

I don't think Obama did poorly at all. He wasn't as aggressive as Romney-that's for sure but he made more sense and left it up to the people to see the ludicrousness of what Romney was saying. Do you really think cutting the loopholes and lowering the tax rate for the rich is going to produce any revenue? All he really is doing is keeping it the same.The debate has little significance on how people will vote and they already said this prior to the debate.Romney will cut the programs for the poor.This is what he is saying.

I think that more jobs will increase revenue. Just like it has in the past.
Romney also said he would cut spending but he didn't say he would cut spending for the poor.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Dreams, if the economy improves, then government revenue will go up--like with Clinton and Reagan.
As for deductions, again, Romney indicated there would be an income level where deductions would be eliminated. He did not explain details but you don't have time to explain details in 2 minutes.

There's no way the economy is going to improve w/ tax cuts.Bush's tax cuts proved that. It's the same old rhetoric from the republicans that has failed. We have tax cuts now.Romney is saying what he thinks the people want to hear. I think Obama is correct in saying he's not producing any revenue for the economy.What's going to happenis Romney is going to cut social programs for the poor to produce revenue and keep the rich w/ low taxes.

Yes, he said he would cut programs.Obama then told him the programs he cut.
Dreams, did you listen to Romney? His plan cuts the rate but also eliminates many deductions over a certain income level. So those "loopholes" that we hear so much about--that's what he's talking about.

Obama lost big tonight. He did really poorly. Even if Obama is totally right and Romney is wrong, Obama still lost the debate.

I don't think Obama did poorly at all. He wasn't as aggressive as Romney-that's for sure but he made more sense and left it up to the people to see the ludicrousness of what Romney was saying. Do you really think cutting the loopholes and lowering the tax rate for the rich is going to produce any revenue? All he really is doing is keeping it the same.The debate has little significance on how people will vote and they already said this prior to the debate.Romney will cut the programs for the poor.This is what he is saying.

I think that more jobs will increase revenue. Just like it has in the past.
Romney also said he would cut spending but he didn't say he would cut spending for the poor.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Dreams, if the economy improves, then government revenue will go up--like with Clinton and Reagan.
As for deductions, again, Romney indicated there would be an income level where deductions would be eliminated. He did not explain details but you don't have time to explain details in 2 minutes.

There's no way the economy is going to improve w/ tax cuts.Bush's tax cuts proved that. It's the same old rhetoric from the republicans that has failed. We have tax cuts now.Romney is saying what he thinks the people want to hear. I think Obama is correct in saying he's not producing any revenue for the economy.What's going to happenis Romney is going to cut social programs for the poor to produce revenue and keep the rich w/ low taxes.

Yes, he said he would cut programs.Obama then told him the programs he cut.
Dreams, did you listen to Romney? His plan cuts the rate but also eliminates many deductions over a certain income level. So those "loopholes" that we hear so much about--that's what he's talking about.

Obama lost big tonight. He did really poorly. Even if Obama is totally right and Romney is wrong, Obama still lost the debate.

I don't think Obama did poorly at all. He wasn't as aggressive as Romney-that's for sure but he made more sense and left it up to the people to see the ludicrousness of what Romney was saying. Do you really think cutting the loopholes and lowering the tax rate for the rich is going to produce any revenue? All he really is doing is keeping it the same.The debate has little significance on how people will vote and they already said this prior to the debate.Romney will cut the programs for the poor.This is what he is saying.

I think that more jobs will increase revenue. Just like it has in the past.
Romney also said he would cut spending but he didn't say he would cut spending for the poor.

Yes, he said he would cut programs.Obama then told him the programs he cut. I put it in the wrong place.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:When you look at it logically, the only way to slash the deficit is to do it Ron Paul and Gary Johnson's way. There has to be massive cuts to all sectors of government, including sacred cow programs that Republicans love, like defense. When Romney says defense cuts are off the table during his administration in any of his budgets (and note, he really wants to increase defense spending), he can't be taken seriously when he speaks about deficit reduction. Which leads me to believe that most of everything else he is saying is bullshit and double-speak.

Nekochan wrote:Z, Romney's own website says that he would cut federal employees (through attrition) 10%. Some of that would likely be in the DOD.

othershoe1030 wrote:Obama should have nailed him on his 47% statements, should have had a "come back" in Romney's dig about green jobs. There was no answer from Obama on that.
He did stick up for investing in our future and challenged how Romney was going to balance his budget without raising taxes for the middle class. The money will come from somewhere and it sure as shootin' ain't going to be from the top earners.
Romney wins the night. Obama needs to get out the big guns.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:When you look at it logically, the only way to slash the deficit is to do it Ron Paul and Gary Johnson's way. There has to be massive cuts to all sectors of government, including sacred cow programs that Republicans love, like defense. When Romney says defense cuts are off the table during his administration in any of his budgets (and note, he really wants to increase defense spending), he can't be taken seriously when he speaks about deficit reduction. Which leads me to believe that most of everything else he is saying is bullshit and double-speak.

2seaoat wrote:Unless they allow President Barack Hussein Obama bring his fleet of teleprompters, connected directly to computers so all Obama has to do is read his lines, this is as good as it gets.

Actually Obama concentrated in Preparation to be polite and not beat up Romney because that would raise his negatives, and Jim lost control of the debate and when Romney simply lied about his positions.....Obama was clearly unable to meet his strategy which.....whatever you do.....do not be negative, and take Romney to the mat for his lies. However, the President was dead cinch correct in his numbers and substance. He just is a soft basketball player and a soft debater.....and as one commentator stated last night.....it is the first time in four years somebody talked to him in this manner....a sociopath must be dealt with very simply.....counterpunch.

reaper1948 wrote:Here's a fact check for you:
ROMNEY: Let me repeat what I said, I'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. That's not my plan. My plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit.
What is Romney's plan?
He has proposed making the Bush tax cuts permanent for all income levels -- then cutting all rates by an additional 20 percent. He would also repeal the alternative minimum tax and permanently repeal the estate tax.
The non-partisan Tax Policy Center concluded that Romney's tax plan would cost $4.8 trillion over 10 years.
Romney said -- once again tonight -- that his plan would be paid for by closing loopholes in the tax code and by getting rid of some tax deductions and credits. But he has repeatedly declined to say which deductions he'd eliminate, saying he'd work with Congress to make those decisions.

Dreamsglore wrote:

reaper1948 wrote:Here's a fact check for you:
ROMNEY: Let me repeat what I said, I'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. That's not my plan. My plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit.
What is Romney's plan?
He has proposed making the Bush tax cuts permanent for all income levels -- then cutting all rates by an additional 20 percent. He would also repeal the alternative minimum tax and permanently repeal the estate tax.
The non-partisan Tax Policy Center concluded that Romney's tax plan would cost $4.8 trillion over 10 years.
Romney said -- once again tonight -- that his plan would be paid for by closing loopholes in the tax code and by getting rid of some tax deductions and credits. But he has repeatedly declined to say which deductions he'd eliminate, saying he'd work with Congress to make those decisions.

This is what I'm saying.As somebody who does taxes, if Romney gets rid of tax deductions only for the rich there is no way he is going to reduce the deficit.He is talking about getting rid of the credits and exemptions the middle class get like the mortgage interest deduction and the child care tax credit and earned income credit.Those are huge for the middle class and poor. By taking these away I will pay more in taxes.That's a fact.The only deductions I get is the mortgage interest and the credit for 401k which is not a big deduction. If anyone for a minute believes he is going to lower taxes this way is just really clueless.