Pathetic but this is how President Obama has left our country. Air Force facing dire personnel shortage

Markle wrote:The condition of our military is "DEPLORABLE".  This obvious weakness has encouraged Russia, China, and Radical Islams that the past eight years have been great for our enemies to push forward with their military adventurism.

AIR FORCE
Air Force facing dire personnel shortage
By Lucas Tomlinson  Published December 23, 2016

Earlier this year, top Air Force officials sounded the alarm about their thinning ranks -- saying they were 700 pilots and 4,000 mechanics short.

Now they warn the problem is far worse.

Under the latest estimates, the Air Force says it needs 30,000 airmen in the next five or six years. Today, the Air Force has 317,000 airmen.

“We've got a geriatric Air Force," said retired Lt. Gen. David Deptula. “We've got bombers and tankers that are over 50 years old. We have [training aircraft] that are over 40 years old, and we have [fighter jets] and helicopters that are over 30 years old. So this is a terrible place to be in when you have a world of ever-expanding threats.”

Air Force officials say they need forces to bolster nuclear, intelligence, space and maintenance jobs.

Earlier this year, Goldfein called the pilot shortage alone a crisis.

“Your Air Force has been at war since Desert Shield/Desert Storm. This wing has been at war since that time for 25 years. We went to the Middle East when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, and we never left," said Col. Stephen Jost.

At the start of the Gulf War, the Air Force had 134 fighter squadrons. Over the past few decades, that number has been cut to 55.

Yet, the Air Force is conducting nearly 70 percent of the strike missions against ISIS and conducting 90 percent of midair refueling missions over Iraq and Syria since August 2014.

The United States Navy says it wants to increase its fleet by 30 percent as threats around the world intensify.

Today, the Navy has 273 ships and submarines, and a new Navy study released by the secretary of the Navy last week says it needs 355 in the future.

The focus is on attack submarines, necessary to keep tabs on the growing threat from China and what officials call the continued “militarization” of the South China Sea.

The Army and Marine Corps have also expressed a desire to grow their personnel, and get badly needed spare parts for their equipment and aircraft.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/23/air-force-facing-dire-personnel-shortage.html?refresh=true

Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama really believes this about the world around us.  Perhaps he learned that on the South Side of Chicago?

Markle wrote:The condition of our military is "DEPLORABLE".  This obvious weakness has encouraged Russia, China, and Radical Islams that the past eight years have been great for our enemies to push forward with their military adventurism.

AIR FORCE
Air Force facing dire personnel shortage
By Lucas Tomlinson  Published December 23, 2016

Earlier this year, top Air Force officials sounded the alarm about their thinning ranks -- saying they were 700 pilots and 4,000 mechanics short.

Now they warn the problem is far worse.

Under the latest estimates, the Air Force says it needs 30,000 airmen in the next five or six years. Today, the Air Force has 317,000 airmen.

“We've got a geriatric Air Force," said retired Lt. Gen. David Deptula. “We've got bombers and tankers that are over 50 years old. We have [training aircraft] that are over 40 years old, and we have [fighter jets] and helicopters that are over 30 years old. So this is a terrible place to be in when you have a world of ever-expanding threats.”

Air Force officials say they need forces to bolster nuclear, intelligence, space and maintenance jobs.

Earlier this year, Goldfein called the pilot shortage alone a crisis.

“Your Air Force has been at war since Desert Shield/Desert Storm. This wing has been at war since that time for 25 years. We went to the Middle East when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, and we never left," said Col. Stephen Jost.

At the start of the Gulf War, the Air Force had 134 fighter squadrons. Over the past few decades, that number has been cut to 55.

Yet, the Air Force is conducting nearly 70 percent of the strike missions against ISIS and conducting 90 percent of midair refueling missions over Iraq and Syria since August 2014.

The United States Navy says it wants to increase its fleet by 30 percent as threats around the world intensify.

Today, the Navy has 273 ships and submarines, and a new Navy study released by the secretary of the Navy last week says it needs 355 in the future.

The focus is on attack submarines, necessary to keep tabs on the growing threat from China and what officials call the continued “militarization” of the South China Sea.

The Army and Marine Corps have also expressed a desire to grow their personnel, and get badly needed spare parts for their equipment and aircraft.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/23/air-force-facing-dire-personnel-shortage.html?refresh=true

Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama really believes this about the world around us.  Perhaps he learned that on the South Side of Chicago?

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:The USAF is the last military branch I would ever consider serving in. Bunch of spoiled prima-donnas.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:The USAF is the last military branch I would ever consider serving in. Bunch of spoiled prima-donnas.

ppaca wrote:All the branches will be depleted, who the hell wants to join to fight unwinnable wars?

Markle wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:The USAF is the last military branch I would ever consider serving in. Bunch of spoiled prima-donnas.

In what branch did you serve?

ppaca wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:The USAF is the last military branch I would ever consider serving in. Bunch of spoiled prima-donnas.

Hey they only served me breakfast in bed when I was stationed at Hq Command AF, otherwise when I was overseas we were on our own.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

ppaca wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:The USAF is the last military branch I would ever consider serving in. Bunch of spoiled prima-donnas.

Hey they only served me breakfast in bed when I was stationed at Hq Command AF, otherwise when I was overseas we were on our own.

When I was on Okinawa in 1979, as a USMC O-3, I was billeted in a small, one-room shanty with a shared bathroom and a used window AC that I had to purchase myself for cooling. On return from a trip to Korea, I gave a lift once to a young USAF 2LT from the airfield at Kadena Air Base to her quarters on that base, and helped her carry her luggage to her room--I was flabbergasted at how posh the rooms were for USAF junior officers.

I was back again a few years later, and would go to the brand new gym at Kadena, which was layed out like it was a resort. The gym a few miles away at MCAS Futenma was Spartan, by comparison, and very heavily used.

ppaca wrote:Oh, but I have  noticed we have a new President, one that wants to cut military contractor's. So who is going to build these weapon's of war for all the new recruits he's working on? Is he going to farm it out overseas?

Wordslinger wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

ppaca wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:The USAF is the last military branch I would ever consider serving in. Bunch of spoiled prima-donnas.

Hey they only served me breakfast in bed when I was stationed at Hq Command AF, otherwise when I was overseas we were on our own.

When I was on Okinawa in 1979, as a USMC O-3, I was billeted in a small, one-room shanty with a shared bathroom and a used window AC that I had to purchase myself for cooling. On return from a trip to Korea, I gave a lift once to a young USAF 2LT from the airfield at Kadena Air Base to her quarters on that base, and helped her carry her luggage to her room--I was flabbergasted at how posh the rooms were for USAF junior officers.

I was back again a few years later, and would go to the brand new gym at Kadena, which was layed out like it was a resort. The gym a few miles away at MCAS Futenma was Spartan, by comparison, and very heavily used.

Zug ... the essential difference between the Air Force and the Army or Marine Corps is the USAF is civilized.  Ditto for the Navy and Coast Guard.  By the way, you can get killed in any one of those services, but I imagine the odds are highest for the Marine Corp to have their lives wasted.  When I served in the USAF, if any non-com or officer ordered us to charge an enemy machine gun, we would have looked at each other, rolled our eyes and sat down.  That's a job for Marines or Army grunts, we would have said.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:The USAF is the last military branch I would ever consider serving in. Bunch of spoiled prima-donnas.

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

ppaca wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:The USAF is the last military branch I would ever consider serving in. Bunch of spoiled prima-donnas.

Hey they only served me breakfast in bed when I was stationed at Hq Command AF, otherwise when I was overseas we were on our own.

When I was on Okinawa in 1979, as a USMC O-3, I was billeted in a small, one-room shanty with a shared bathroom and a used window AC that I had to purchase myself for cooling. On return from a trip to Korea, I gave a lift once to a young USAF 2LT from the airfield at Kadena Air Base to her quarters on that base, and helped her carry her luggage to her room--I was flabbergasted at how posh the rooms were for USAF junior officers.

I was back again a few years later, and would go to the brand new gym at Kadena, which was layed out like it was a resort. The gym a few miles away at MCAS Futenma was Spartan, by comparison, and very heavily used.

Zug ... the essential difference between the Air Force and the Army or Marine Corps is the USAF is civilized.  Ditto for the Navy and Coast Guard.  By the way, you can get killed in any one of those services, but I imagine the odds are highest for the Marine Corp to have their lives wasted.  When I served in the USAF, if any non-com or officer ordered us to charge an enemy machine gun, we would have looked at each other, rolled our eyes and sat down.  That's a job for Marines or Army grunts, we would have said.

Why am I not surprised?

2seaoat wrote:Trump has talked about addressing the costs over runs on the F 35, I am hoping he is sincere in cutting wasteful spending.   I have always believed that a 25% cut in defense spending has to start with our carrier groups and our over seas bases.  Sanity has to start somewhere.

Tellthetruth wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Trump has talked about addressing the costs over runs on the F 35, I am hoping he is sincere in cutting wasteful spending.   I have always believed that a 25% cut in defense spending has to start with our carrier groups and our over seas bases.  Sanity has to start somewhere.

We aren't at peace. It's no time to cut and our carriers will be what we truly need going up against China and Russia . Hussein has us at a Cold War footing thanks to his fecklessness and failure to lead.

Wordslinger wrote:Hey Markle:  When they ask for volunteers to charge a machine-gun nest, be my guest.  Only, leave me the keys to your footlocker before you go ... Okay?

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Hey Markle:  When they ask for volunteers to charge a machine-gun nest, be my guest.  Only, leave me the keys to your footlocker before you go ... Okay?

"Machine-gun nest".  You've been watching too many WW-II movies.  Everything since has been gorilla style, house to house battles.

No one got the key to my footlocker.

From your writings, you'd be much like John Kerry.  ONE of his PURPLE HEARTS, came from Kerry firing a grenade launcher too close to his boat.  Kerry got a sliver of shrapnel in his shoulder.  He slept in his tent that night and the Doc. removed it with a tweezer the next morning and put a Bandaid on his shoulder.  Kerry put in for a Purple Heart.

Wordslinger wrote:

Tellthetruth wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Trump has talked about addressing the costs over runs on the F 35, I am hoping he is sincere in cutting wasteful spending.   I have always believed that a 25% cut in defense spending has to start with our carrier groups and our over seas bases.  Sanity has to start somewhere.

We aren't at peace. It's no time to cut and our carriers will be what we truly need going up against China and Russia . Hussein has us at a Cold War footing thanks to his fecklessness and failure to lead.

In an all-out war with China or Russia, our carriers won't last ten minutes.  Have you already forgotten how two Russian fighters buzzed one of our destroyers -- after first shutting down their defensive computers?

Your problem is your still exercising military thinking of forty years ago.
Truth is, once again our best military outfits will be bringing knives to a gunfight.  It figures, because the only fighting your generation has seen has been using our best military stuff against goat herders with AKs.  Both China and Russia are light years ahead of us when it comes to cyber warfare.  What good are your carriers going to be when the continental United States has no electricity, water, communications, or public transportation?  

Christ.  No wonder we haven't won a war in thirty years!  

Tellthetruth wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

Tellthetruth wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Trump has talked about addressing the costs over runs on the F 35, I am hoping he is sincere in cutting wasteful spending.   I have always believed that a 25% cut in defense spending has to start with our carrier groups and our over seas bases.  Sanity has to start somewhere.

We aren't at peace. It's no time to cut and our carriers will be what we truly need going up against China and Russia . Hussein has us at a Cold War footing thanks to his fecklessness and failure to lead.

In an all-out war with China or Russia, our carriers won't last ten minutes.  Have you already forgotten how two Russian fighters buzzed one of our destroyers -- after first shutting down their defensive computers?

Your problem is your still exercising military thinking of forty years ago.
Truth is, once again our best military outfits will be bringing knives to a gunfight.  It figures, because the only fighting your generation has seen has been using our best military stuff against goat herders with AKs.  Both China and Russia are light years ahead of us when it comes to cyber warfare.  What good are your carriers going to be when the continental United States has no electricity, water, communications, or public transportation?  

Christ.  No wonder we haven't won a war in thirty years!  

They buzzed our ships because they were under orders to pretend nothing was happening because we know that Obama can't fight his way out of wet paper bag. You always have some sort of excuse, but your generation lost its wars of Korea and Vietnam. Sad for you that you guys sucked so bad at fighting.