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CBO: 2016 ObamaCare enrollment to fall short of projections by … 8 million Obamacare Continues to Collapse.

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Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:A single payer insurance pool is the answer.  It will be efficient and will save middle class folks money.  High income folks will have a return to progressive tax rates but instead of rates as high as 70% will only be in the 50% range.  The most exciting thing is that it will free American industry from incredible expense which shall allow for capitalization of industry and more hirings as single payer will be an economic explosion of growth in America as the average American could easily save 5k a year.  The Affordable Care Act was simply an incremental step to a better system.  It never was the end goal.....NEVER.

Didn't Lame Duck President Obama promise we would save $2,500.00 peer household with Obamacare? How's that worked out?

Rates for high income folks is already over 50%, especially if they live in states with income taxes.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Can Obamacare be improved?

Sure it can.

But even as it is, it is far superior to what we had before the ACA.


Somebody tell me why the hell we need Health Insurers at all.  We spend more for healthcare than any other modern nation, and our results are terrible.  Somebody tell me why we have to bend over backwards to bring huge profits to the drug companies.  Why are we paying ten times as much for a drug, when the same drug sells for so much less in Canada, Germany, France, etc?

Fuck Amerika Inc.!!

You must be so proud.

[It figures you're for the bloodsuckers instead of the American people.  Thanks for again confirming your fascist perspective.  I'm so proud?  You bet!  Like Bernie, I'm all for winning America back for the people and not the 1/10th of the 1% you genuflect to.

Tell us more why the big pharma companies are justified in robbing America .... we're all ears.

Fuck Amerika Inc.!

Which country, no, I'll give you a dozen countries, have produced more life extending, life saving drugs, medical procedures and technology than the United States?

Nobody is complaining about the technology or R&D.  The problem is cost!!

How much does it cost for a drug company to develop and bring to market a new drug?




More bullshit from the King of Poop.  The same drug marketed inside the United States costs 10 to 50 times more than it is sold overseas!!

Fuck Amerika Inc!!

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Can Obamacare be improved?

Sure it can.

But even as it is, it is far superior to what we had before the ACA.


Somebody tell me why the hell we need Health Insurers at all.  We spend more for healthcare than any other modern nation, and our results are terrible.  Somebody tell me why we have to bend over backwards to bring huge profits to the drug companies.  Why are we paying ten times as much for a drug, when the same drug sells for so much less in Canada, Germany, France, etc?

Fuck Amerika Inc.!!

You must be so proud.

[It figures you're for the bloodsuckers instead of the American people.  Thanks for again confirming your fascist perspective.  I'm so proud?  You bet!  Like Bernie, I'm all for winning America back for the people and not the 1/10th of the 1% you genuflect to.

Tell us more why the big pharma companies are justified in robbing America .... we're all ears.

Fuck Amerika Inc.!

Which country, no, I'll give you a dozen countries, have produced more life extending, life saving drugs, medical procedures and technology than the United States?

Nobody is complaining about the technology or R&D.  The problem is cost!!

How much does it cost for a drug company to develop and bring to market a new drug?


More bullshit from the King of Poop.  The same drug marketed inside the United States costs 10 to 50 times more than it is sold overseas!!

Fuck Amerika Inc!!

Wow, that sure does sound like a dyed in the wool Socialist!!

You are happy with the huge advances in drugs, technology and procedures.

You simply those advances should be paid for by someone other than who benefits.

Adolph Hitler would be so proud of you!

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Can Obamacare be improved?

Sure it can.

But even as it is, it is far superior to what we had before the ACA.


Somebody tell me why the hell we need Health Insurers at all.  We spend more for healthcare than any other modern nation, and our results are terrible.  Somebody tell me why we have to bend over backwards to bring huge profits to the drug companies.  Why are we paying ten times as much for a drug, when the same drug sells for so much less in Canada, Germany, France, etc?

Fuck Amerika Inc.!!

You must be so proud.

[It figures you're for the bloodsuckers instead of the American people.  Thanks for again confirming your fascist perspective.  I'm so proud?  You bet!  Like Bernie, I'm all for winning America back for the people and not the 1/10th of the 1% you genuflect to.

Tell us more why the big pharma companies are justified in robbing America .... we're all ears.

Fuck Amerika Inc.!

Which country, no, I'll give you a dozen countries, have produced more life extending, life saving drugs, medical procedures and technology than the United States?

Nobody is complaining about the technology or R&D.  The problem is cost!!

How much does it cost for a drug company to develop and bring to market a new drug?


More bullshit from the King of Poop.  The same drug marketed inside the United States costs 10 to 50 times more than it is sold overseas!!

Fuck Amerika Inc!!

Wow, that sure does sound like a dyed in the wool Socialist!!

You are happy with the huge advances in drugs, technology and procedures.

You simply those advances should be paid for by someone other than who benefits.

Adolph Hitler would be so proud of you!


I readily admit you know much more than I what Hitler would be proud of. I'm not against reasonable profits, just obscene ones! Why should I be paying ten to twenty times as much as a
Canadian, German, or Italian for the same drug from the same manufacturer? Explain that to me blood sucker.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:

I readily admit you know much more than I what Hitler would be proud of.  I'm not against reasonable profits, just obscene ones!  Why should I be paying ten to twenty times as much as a
Canadian, German, or Italian for the same drug from the same manufacturer?  Explain that to me blood sucker.  

I don't doubt that I know much more than you about Adolph Hitler. I READ and have for many decades. Since my Ol' Man was so critically injure in the Battle of the Bulge, WW-II became of special interest to me.

As a Socialist, I'm sure you feel eminently qualified to determine what is a "PROPER" profit.

Perhaps you could be the PROFIT CZAR!

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:

I readily admit you know much more than I what Hitler would be proud of.  I'm not against reasonable profits, just obscene ones!  Why should I be paying ten to twenty times as much as a
Canadian, German, or Italian for the same drug from the same manufacturer?  Explain that to me blood sucker.  

I don't doubt that I know much more than you about Adolph Hitler.  I READ and have for many decades.  Since my Ol' Man was so critically injure in the Battle of the Bulge, WW-II became of special interest to me.

As a Socialist, I'm sure you feel eminently qualified to determine what is a "PROPER" profit.

Perhaps you could be the PROFIT CZAR!


I accept the position, thanks!  I see you avoided answering my question on why Americans are paying ten times as much for a drug the same manufacturer sells elsewhere in the world.  Under my reign as Profit Czar, the maximum mark-up above costs will be 175%, which, as you well know, is some 600% or more less than is now being charged for their products to consumers in the U.S.A. by several giant pharma operators.  And while we're at it, I promise to work hard to help President Sanders bar lobbyists from Washington DC! Come to think of it, my position isn't necessary, not if we simply remove the laws that allow pharma to avoid competition in the marketplace. You claim you aspire to true capitalism ... you know, where competition keeps the pricing within reasonable bounds. Join me in this worthy cause!

When business attempts to join with government, or vice-versa, the proper descriptive is fascism.  And, once again, I bow to your expertise in that nefarious activity.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:

I readily admit you know much more than I what Hitler would be proud of.  I'm not against reasonable profits, just obscene ones!  Why should I be paying ten to twenty times as much as a
Canadian, German, or Italian for the same drug from the same manufacturer?  Explain that to me blood sucker.  

I don't doubt that I know much more than you about Adolph Hitler.  I READ and have for many decades.  Since my Ol' Man was so critically injure in the Battle of the Bulge, WW-II became of special interest to me.

As a Socialist, I'm sure you feel eminently qualified to determine what is a "PROPER" profit.

Perhaps you could be the PROFIT CZAR!


I accept the position, thanks!  I see you avoided answering my question on why Americans are paying ten times as much for a drug the same manufacturer sells elsewhere in the world.  Under my reign as Profit Czar, the maximum mark-up above costs will be 175%, which, as you well know, is some 600% or more less than is now being charged for their products to consumers in the U.S.A. by several giant pharma operators.  And while we're at it, I promise to work hard to help President Sanders bar lobbyists from Washington DC!  Come to think of it, my position isn't necessary, not if we simply remove the laws that allow pharma to avoid competition in the marketplace.  You claim you aspire to true capitalism ... you know, where competition keeps the pricing within reasonable bounds.  Join me in this worthy cause!

When business attempts to join with government, or vice-versa, the proper descriptive is fascism.  And, once again, I bow to your expertise in that nefarious activity.

If you recall, one of many unfulfilled campaign promises of then Sen. Barack Hussein Obama was that he would repeal a prohibition on Medicare negotiating directly with drug companies over prices for Medicare recipients.

That is one of the major differences between say Canada and the United States. Now Lame Duck President Obama had two full years during which time he crammed Obamacare up our...throats. He COULD have done so then but he did not. Why?

Another major reason, as you know, is that in single payer countries when faced with a superior, but more costly drug or procedure, and another less effective or older drug, will only approve the least expensive.

There are other reasons, ones we could adopt but you're not interested until all power goes to the ever benevolent GOVERNMENT.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:

I readily admit you know much more than I what Hitler would be proud of.  I'm not against reasonable profits, just obscene ones!  Why should I be paying ten to twenty times as much as a
Canadian, German, or Italian for the same drug from the same manufacturer?  Explain that to me blood sucker.  

I don't doubt that I know much more than you about Adolph Hitler.  I READ and have for many decades.  Since my Ol' Man was so critically injure in the Battle of the Bulge, WW-II became of special interest to me.

As a Socialist, I'm sure you feel eminently qualified to determine what is a "PROPER" profit.

Perhaps you could be the PROFIT CZAR!


I accept the position, thanks!  I see you avoided answering my question on why Americans are paying ten times as much for a drug the same manufacturer sells elsewhere in the world.  Under my reign as Profit Czar, the maximum mark-up above costs will be 175%, which, as you well know, is some 600% or more less than is now being charged for their products to consumers in the U.S.A. by several giant pharma operators.  And while we're at it, I promise to work hard to help President Sanders bar lobbyists from Washington DC!  Come to think of it, my position isn't necessary, not if we simply remove the laws that allow pharma to avoid competition in the marketplace.  You claim you aspire to true capitalism ... you know, where competition keeps the pricing within reasonable bounds.  Join me in this worthy cause!

When business attempts to join with government, or vice-versa, the proper descriptive is fascism.  And, once again, I bow to your expertise in that nefarious activity.

If you recall, one of many unfulfilled campaign promises of then Sen. Barack Hussein Obama was that he would repeal a prohibition on Medicare negotiating directly with drug companies over prices for Medicare recipients.

That is one of the major differences between say Canada and the United States.  Now Lame Duck President Obama had two full years during which time he crammed Obamacare up our...throats.  He COULD have done so then but he did not.  Why?

Another major reason, as you know, is that in single payer countries when faced with a superior, but more costly drug or procedure, and another less effective or older drug, will only approve the least expensive.

There are other reasons, ones we could adopt but you're not interested until all power goes to the ever benevolent GOVERNMENT.


You have still not answered my point about a pharma company selling the same drug for a price 20 times or higher in the U.S. than they charge for the same drug being purchased elsewhere. I accept that the way the ACA is formulated, bidding is denied and that's why I like the single payer program Bernie is pitching.

Markle

Markle

SheWrites wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Can Obamacare be improved?

Sure it can.

But even as it is, it is far superior to what we had before the ACA.

Somebody tell me why the hell we need Health Insurers at all.  We spend more for healthcare than any other modern nation, and our results are terrible.  Somebody tell me why we have to bend over backwards to bring huge profits to the drug companies.  Why are we paying ten times as much for a drug, when the same drug sells for so much less in Canada, Germany, France, etc?

Fuck Amerika Inc.!!

You must be so proud.

[It figures you're for the bloodsuckers instead of the American people.  Thanks for again confirming your fascist perspective.  I'm so proud?  You bet!  Like Bernie, I'm all for winning America back for the people and not the 1/10th of the 1% you genuflect to.

Tell us more why the big pharma companies are justified in robbing America .... we're all ears.

Fuck Amerika Inc.!

Which country, no, I'll give you a dozen countries, have produced more life extending, life saving drugs, medical procedures and technology than the United States?

How much does it cost for a drug company to develop and bring to market a new drug?


How long does it take them to recoup the cost?  A far shorter time than they continue to charge RIDICULOUS prices.  

Really? Show us you source and link. You do realize that the cost of developing drugs, procedures and technology that do not work out, must also be recouped.

As I mentioned on another thread, Senator Barack Hussein Obama promised, during his campaign, that he would repeal the prohibition of Medicare negotiating with pharmaceutical companies for lower prices. He did not include that in Obamacare.

Why?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle, again, faced with reality and truth, like most enthusiasts for American oligarchy, you defend the bloodsucking practices of the pharmaceutical industry -- investing all your non-persuasive skills on the fact that it costs a lot to develop and market a new drug. This, of course, has nothing whatever to do with the fact that a drug that markets outside the United States for 20 to 50 times less cost for the consumer, by THE SAME pharma company, continues to punish American's who might benefit from that drug.

For Christs sake Markle, look at their FUCKING PROFIT RATIOS!!

You want to continue this debate? LOL

dumpcare



http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-01-26/trump-says-he-would-let-medicare-negotiate-drug-prices

Pay attention to the paragraph what says republican's highly oppose negotiating with drugs companies.

Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders have reached a major point of agreement when it comes to health care: If elected president, all three say they would seek to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

[READ: Congressional Democrats Urge NIH to Act on Drug Prices]

Trump told 1,000 supporters in Farmington, New Hampshire, Monday that such a policy would save $300 billion a year.

This was likely an exaggeration, as Medicare spent $143 billion on drugs in 2014, and total sales for the industry surpassed $317 billion. Still, his comments signal such a move will be receiving more attention.

"We don't do it. Why? Because of the drug companies," he said.

[DECISION 2016: U.S. News Covers the Race to the White House]

Allowing the government to negotiate drug prices is a position Republicans and the pharmaceutical industry heavily oppose. The U.S. is specifically banned from such a provision under the 2003 Medicare prescription drug law, though in other developed countries governments regulate medicine prices and spend less on drugs.

While negotiating drug prices has been historically backed by Democrats – including President Barack Obama – vocal support for allowing the government to control prices for drugs has yet to manifest in action, and both parties receive significant campaign donations from drug companies, with Democrats receiving more in recent cycles. Obamacare does nothing to slow the growth in spending on prescription drugs, though Sanders and Clinton have said the move would strengthen the law.

SLIDESHOW: America's Most Expensive Medicare Presciption Drugs]

Republicans acknowledge that the cost of prescription drugs is an issue both for individuals and for the federal budget. A government report released in December showed that in 2014 the rate of growth in health care spending accelerated, in large part due to expensive prescription drugs that have flooded the market.

Republicans' positions on solving the problem have focused on removing bureaucratic obstacles that slow the development of new drugs. Most drugs that are being tested never reach the public, failing safety and efficacy tests along the way, and a drug can take a decade to be developed, run through clinical trials, then be approved by the Food and Drug Administration. The pharmaceutical industry has said that "arbitrary" prices set by the government would impede research and stifle innovation.

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