Christmas Drama.....

Joanimaroni wrote:

Number 8 and 9. 9 was born the end of September.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:We had a nice get together late yesterday; 14 people for gifts, and about half stayed to eat. I thought my wife was going to collapse afterward. My youngest daughter picked-up my MIL/FIL and brought them over. BIL, who is temporarily staying with my in-laws (more like sucking whatever goodwill and money he can get from them) did not come over, and he was not invited anyway. Everyone had a good time, and my wife took the in-laws back to their house. She came home and marveled how she not only pulled-off Christmas, but fixed a meal for whomever wanted to stay and eat.

Then the phone rang at 12:30 AM, last night. It was my MIL, who was fighting with her good-for-nothing son..... She wanted my wife to come and get her so she could stay at our house. My exhausted wife refused. The co-dependency between my 82 yo MIL and my 49 yo BIL runs deep. I think she is going to give him a large sum of money so he will go away. We will see how this plays out....

Vikingwoman wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:We had a nice get together late yesterday; 14 people for gifts, and about half stayed to eat. I thought my wife was going to collapse afterward. My youngest daughter picked-up my MIL/FIL and brought them over. BIL, who is temporarily staying with my in-laws (more like sucking whatever goodwill and money he can get from them) did not come over, and he was not invited anyway. Everyone had a good time, and my wife took the in-laws back to their house. She came home and marveled how she not only pulled-off Christmas, but fixed a meal for whomever wanted to stay and eat.

Then the phone rang at 12:30 AM, last night. It was my MIL, who was fighting with her good-for-nothing son..... She wanted my wife to come and get her so she could stay at our house. My exhausted wife refused. The co-dependency between my 82 yo MIL and my 49 yo BIL runs deep. I think she is going to give him a large sum of money so he will go away. We will see how this plays out....

It's really sad when you have someone like that in your family and the mother isn't strong enough to set boundaries. In my mother's case, it took 20 yrs. for the rest of the family to finally say enough. Not too long ago my sister was at a car wash and was talking on her phone and didn't move her car up. The guy behind her beeped his horn and she got out and cussed him out including calling him the "N" word. He punched her over the hood of her truck and she landed on the concrete getting stitches in her head. That's not the first time she's gotten beat up for her mouth. She never learns and my mother always defends her. When my mother's gone she'll have no family unless she gets help and that's not likely.

Joanimaroni wrote:

Vikingwoman wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Vikingwoman wrote:We had problems w/ a sister who always starts trouble everywhere. She has not been invited for the last couple of years and problem solved until she gets help. My mother cried and carried on saying we should accept her behavior because she was mentally ill and she wouldn't come to holidays unless my sister was invited. We said we'll miss you and she came.

Hum...wish my mom was still alive.....you should never give your mom an ultimatum after all she didn't abort you...

No, Teo she gave us an ultimatum. She was invited. The sister was not. If she chose not to come because of the sister, well that was her choice. We decided we weren't going to be abused anymore by the sister. The sister refused to get help and we refused to take it anymore.

Don't blame you one bit!

RealLindaL wrote:Joani, that number 8 is positively going to be a heart breaker.   Looks like a movie star already!

As for being lucky they're in Gulf Breeze, you're lucky to have them at all, and I readily admit that although I'm very happy for you, I'm more than a little envious.  My one and only son and his younger doctor wife have decided they're too busy and have too many things they want to do (read: travel -- which they regularly do, especially to Europe and the Bahamas, even though they still have her college loans and his back taxes, plus other debts, live in one of the most expensive cities in the nation, and continue to pour money down the drain in rent every month).   They give out with that B.S. phony rationale used by just about every couple in history that ever decided not to have children: "We don't want to bring a child into the world the way it is."  Well, it's perfectly fine for THEM to live in and enjoy, so don't give me that baloney.      

Nowadays I regularly wish I'd had more children myself (especially a girl, who might visit her mother now and again), but my late ex-husband was a lousy provider and I found the burdens of career, child rearing (even just the one), and all the housekeeping (he never did anything but drop his socks on the floor) enough to keep me in birth control pills for the duration.

Sorry, just needed to vent tonight.

Floridatexan wrote:
I absolutely agree.  Children (not just grandchildren) are gifts from God...that come with responsibility.  I was sitting on the couch a few days before Christmas with my 7-year-old granddaughter on one side and my 2-year-old grandson on the other...bliss.

2seaoat wrote:Yet you support the Supreme Court over ruling God in the matter of abortion. The kind of love you have for children is goulish, rotten and dishonest.

With that post it is pretty clear who is all those things.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
I absolutely agree.  Children (not just grandchildren) are gifts from God...that come with responsibility.  I was sitting on the couch a few days before Christmas with my 7-year-old granddaughter on one side and my 2-year-old grandson on the other...bliss.

Yet you support the Supreme Court over ruling God in the matter of abortion.   The kind of love you have for children is goulish, rotten and dishonest.  

Vikingwoman wrote: How many of those unwanted kids have you volunteered to take in ,Teo?

Vikingwoman wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
I absolutely agree.  Children (not just grandchildren) are gifts from God...that come with responsibility.  I was sitting on the couch a few days before Christmas with my 7-year-old granddaughter on one side and my 2-year-old grandson on the other...bliss.

Yet you support the Supreme Court over ruling God in the matter of abortion.   The kind of love you have for children is goulish, rotten and dishonest.  

How many of those unwanted kids have you volunteered to take in ,Teo?

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Passing thought...the problem is between women's ears...why are you going to let some guy inseminate  you that doesn't love you and wouldn't take care of your children ?

RealLindaL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Passing thought...the problem is between women's ears...why are you going to let some guy inseminate  you that doesn't love you and wouldn't take care of your children ?

Passing thought....the problem is between men's ears -- and their legs.  Why would they take advantage of a woman they don't love just for the passing pleasure of sexual gratification, with nary a thought to the huge burden they may have just placed on the woman, her family, society, and the unborn child itself?  Doubtless it's because the male knows he'll almost assuredly get away scot free of any responsibility whatsoever, if he even gives all that a passing moment's thought (which is questionable).    

Can you say who is the far greater thoughtless idiot (not to mention total jerk) in this copulating pair?  

And yet, to my everlasting amazement, it's almost always the male of the species crying foul on abortion and murdering the doctors who perform it.

Un-blanking-believable.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Oh come on it's all equality till you want to play the poor little woman card....

RealLindaL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Oh come on it's all equality till you want to play the poor little woman card....

OK then, would you at least concede that each half of the couple bears EQUAL responsibility, and it's NOT just the woman who "holds the keys?"

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

RealLindaL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Oh come on it's all equality till you want to play the poor little woman card....

OK then, would you at least concede that each half of the couple bears EQUAL responsibility, and it's NOT just the woman who "holds the keys?"

No concession unless the rules were agreed to before the merger...If it was open free love then someone better have a diaphragm or a condom or birth control pills or great rhythm or something...because if the woman gets prego then without the benefit of marriage it's all on her...she surely had some idea of what a million  sperm had on their little one celled minds as they took a dive in her pool....nature can be such a hammer....(unreasonable)....

TEOTWAWKI wrote:if the woman gets prego then without the benefit of marriage it's all on her...she surely had some idea of what a million  sperm had on their little one celled minds as they took a dive in her pool....

boards of FL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

RealLindaL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Oh come on it's all equality till you want to play the poor little woman card....

OK then, would you at least concede that each half of the couple bears EQUAL responsibility, and it's NOT just the woman who "holds the keys?"

No concession unless the rules were agreed to before the merger...If it was open free love then someone better have a diaphragm or a condom or birth control pills or great rhythm or something...because if the woman gets prego then without the benefit of marriage it's all on her...she surely had some idea of what a million  sperm had on their little one celled minds as they took a dive in her pool....nature can be such a hammer....(unreasonable)....

What a gutless, spineless, turd you are.  It's almost as if you're a senior citizen version of the "affluenza" kid.  The only difference being that his downfall was his affluent upbringing and yours is being an ignorant, spineless, moron who clearly never did well with women - hence your clear and obvious disdain for them.

Either way, you're both douchebags who never developed any sense of big boy responsibility.

RealLindaL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:if the woman gets prego then without the benefit of marriage it's all on her...she surely had some idea of what a million  sperm had on their little one celled minds as they took a dive in her pool....

And the man had absolutely no idea what those same sperm might produce, so bears no responsibility whatsoever in this scenario??   I'm seeing misogyny lurking here, and am betting the regulars on this forum will bear me out on that.  

In any event there's very obviously no reasoning with this.  I give up.