ROMNEY: "My job is is not to worry about those 47 percent of people who will vote for Obama. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

boards of FL wrote:This thread is a perfect example of why I have almost completely lost interest in discussing politics with republicans.

nochain wrote: You think Obama is a failure. It's just that you never articulate why. .

nochain wrote:"The mideast is burning, our economy is one enormous train wreck, unemployment is sky high, the housing market is still in the toilet, the country has not had a budget for three years, and there is no plan from the current administration to do anything about it."
Quite a few reasons to be disappointed in BHO right there.

nochain wrote:BHO needs to do better at calming Israel down
BHO let Pakistan run right over him and has done nothing about it
BHO threw the OBL Dr under the bus and washed his hands of the poor guy
Latin America, our lack of interest in that area has resulted in China and Iran establishing themselves a little too strong for comfort.
Chavez is a loose cannon and needs to be dealt with (diplomatically)
BHO has created an unwilling ally of England formerly one our of most reliable international partners. Great job BHO.

nochain wrote:"the Chinese are taking over Latin America! (Growl) England hates us! Obama failed!"

boards of FL wrote:

nochain wrote:"the Chinese are taking over Latin America! (Growl) England hates us! Obama failed!"

Sure, just bury your head in Uranus and hope for the best. If ignorance is bliss you must be ecstatic. BHO wanted the job, he has to take the heat and deal with it. Noone ever said it would be easy. And it would be nice if, when presented with reality, you would not twist and spin it - who said "China was taking over Latin America"? You sound as bad a Sally Salinski, or maybe you are Sally. Poser.

boards of FL wrote:

nochain wrote:"The mideast is burning, our economy is one enormous train wreck, unemployment is sky high, the housing market is still in the toilet, the country has not had a budget for three years, and there is no plan from the current administration to do anything about it."
Quite a few reasons to be disappointed in BHO right there.

Yes. Obama inherited two wars in the middle east, the worst recession since the great depression, sky rocketing unemployment, and a ballooning deficit. Yet each of these parameters is still better off today that it was in 2009. GDP is no longer contracting wildly, we are no longer shedding hundreds of thousands of jobs each month, operations in Iraq have been scaled down, top Al Qaeda members are dying every day, the budget deficit has decreased each year since the last Bush budget and will continue to improve once tax revenues recover, etc...

Blame Obama, he could have waited until 2016 when there would be no-one to blame. Better read more, major contractions in the economy...whoops...

nochain wrote:BHO needs to do better at calming Israel down
BHO let Pakistan run right over him and has done nothing about it
BHO threw the OBL Dr under the bus and washed his hands of the poor guy
Latin America, our lack of interest in that area has resulted in China and Iran establishing themselves a little too strong for comfort.
Chavez is a loose cannon and needs to be dealt with (diplomatically)
BHO has created an unwilling ally of England formerly one our of most reliable international partners. Great job BHO.

What? Obama needs to "calm Israel down"? What does that even mean? In what way has Obama allowed Pakistan to run over him, by giving the go ahead on a mission within their country without their blessing to take out the worlds most wanted terrorist? The rest of your grievances are merely vague statements of unsubstantiated opinion. "(Grumble) Something outta be done about that Chavez! (Moan) Uh....the Chinese are taking over Latin America! (Growl) England hates us! Obama failed!"

nochain wrote:Sure, just bury your head in Uranus and hope for the best. If ignorance is bliss you must be ecstatic.

newswatcher wrote:DANG!!!!...You pushed and presented enough facts that it caused a retreat back to the....'It's Bush's Fault'...That's when you know that posters like some here have nothing....

nochain wrote:

boards of FL wrote:This thread is a perfect example of why I have almost completely lost interest in discussion politics with republicans. Mitt Romney could come out and say "I believe the path to economic prosperity is pineapples and circus peanuts! From now on, we're going to put all our efforts behind pineapples and circus peanuts!" I could then come here and see people saying things such as "Well, he does have a point. Pineapples are a fruit and are nutritious." And "But we haven't tried this yet! Obama has failed. I have no idea why but I'm told that so it must be true, and since he must have failed that means that pineapples and circus peanuts may be a viable solution."

And this is a perfect example of the liberal argument against any change and for sticking with an abject failure like BHO. Ignoring the current status of the country and lobbing hand grenades and calling the opposition a "failure' when he is not even in the WH is a shining example of hypocrisy. How can someone be a failure if they haven't even started a job? I look at known facts (BHOs failure to deliver anything of substance including basic things like a budget for crying out loud) and balance that against the potential of the other candidate and although I see Romney as a poor choice, it is better than continuing down the same road with BHO - that is beyond ridiculous. People who are willing to let BHO remain in office another four years had better have a grand plan for rescuing the country in 2016 – if that will even be possible.

boards of FL wrote:

newswatcher wrote:DANG!!!!...You pushed and presented enough facts that it caused a retreat back to the....'It's Bush's Fault'...That's when you know that posters like some here have nothing....

newswatcher, what is your take on the economy, unemployment, the housing marking, and the state of the middle east in January 2009? Honest question.

2seaoat wrote:How can there be a budget when the reality is it cannot possibly be balanced in the next four years. This is exactly what Mitt Romney has stated. He has stated that we cannot seek to balance the budget because our economy is too fragile. How did we get to this point? Some want to blame Bush, but it has been a forty year process where in my opinion we have spent far too much on Defense, and we have not targeted American Job creation and American manufacturing. In football, the defensive end stumbles, the linebacker stumbles, and as the running back is crossing the goal line somebody says the free safety allowed the touchdown.

It really is that simple. Are we going to blame the person closest to the ball carrier when he crosses the goal line are we going to have an intelligent conversation about the breakdowns on the line, and by the linebackers. We also have to recognize something which is not mentioned too often......the talent of the running back. It was easy after WWII to kick the snot out of the other teams, and we really did have balanced budgets, but the world has grown up in the last 40 years, and the talent of this new running back is contributing to structural reasons folks are scoring touchdowns and we are pointing fingers. Winners do not point fingers.....they fix the tangible problems. Romney is not the answer......he is the problem.

knothead wrote:

nochain wrote:

boards of FL wrote:This thread is a perfect example of why I have almost completely lost interest in discussion politics with republicans. Mitt Romney could come out and say "I believe the path to economic prosperity is pineapples and circus peanuts! From now on, we're going to put all our efforts behind pineapples and circus peanuts!" I could then come here and see people saying things such as "Well, he does have a point. Pineapples are a fruit and are nutritious." And "But we haven't tried this yet! Obama has failed. I have no idea why but I'm told that so it must be true, and since he must have failed that means that pineapples and circus peanuts may be a viable solution."

And this is a perfect example of the liberal argument against any change and for sticking with an abject failure like BHO. Ignoring the current status of the country and lobbing hand grenades and calling the opposition a "failure' when he is not even in the WH is a shining example of hypocrisy. How can someone be a failure if they haven't even started a job? I look at known facts (BHOs failure to deliver anything of substance including basic things like a budget for crying out loud) and balance that against the potential of the other candidate and although I see Romney as a poor choice, it is better than continuing down the same road with BHO - that is beyond ridiculous. People who are willing to let BHO remain in office another four years had better have a grand plan for rescuing the country in 2016 – if that will even be possible.

chain, I submit that part of any grand plan must be cooperation in Congress, if they do not learn the lessons of compromise it will be a tough four years. Obama cannot do it alone.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Congress couldn't even agree on a budget when the Dems controlled both houses. Obama REFUSES to budge one iota on budget issues. He has to have his way. The 2010 elections were a mandate that Congress get control of the spending and that is why the House went GOP. The holdup is the Senate and Harry Reid who should have lost his last election. Obama would compromise if he was forced to do so with a GOP Congress much like Clinton was required after the 1994 elections.

salinsky wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Congress couldn't even agree on a budget when the Dems controlled both houses. Obama REFUSES to budge one iota on budget issues. He has to have his way. The 2010 elections were a mandate that Congress get control of the spending and that is why the House went GOP. The holdup is the Senate and Harry Reid who should have lost his last election. Obama would compromise if he was forced to do so with a GOP Congress much like Clinton was required after the 1994 elections.

Federal spending is rising at the slowest rate since the 1950s.

PkrBum wrote:
what's the gdp doing? what percent of the debt has it incresed since obama took the register?

salinsky wrote:

PkrBum wrote:
what's the gdp doing? what percent of the debt has it incresed since obama took the register?

Do you really want to go there, dipshit?