Will there be a backlash from Israel attempting to interject their interests in our election cycle?

2seaoat wrote:A foreign nation says we must set a red line in regard to Iran. Translation.....our national interests have determined that Iran must be attacked. We cannot accomplish that by ourselves. America can accomplish our goal. We must influence American policy to achieve our goal. We must intercede in the election cycle to blackmail candidates to draw a red line, and attack Iran.

I have always been a supporter of Israel, but I think Israel and its leadership has made a fatal mistake in the recent tactics. No foreign nation should dictate policy to our nation.......NEVER!

I find it ironic on some of the recent events in the middle east.....I do not think some of these things are by accident. This is coming form a strong supporter of Israel, but something simply is not Kosher about the attacks in Libya, and the release of the film, and now Israel attempting to wag the dog......something smells in Denmark.

Floridatexan wrote:
Bibi's getting slammed at home:

http://hinterlandgazette.com/2012/09/haaretz-editorial-slams-benjamin-netanyahu-telling-stop-meddling-politics.html

Apparently, it's obvious to his fellow Israelis what he's up to; this ISN'T the 1960's, people.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:You won't see this reported in the mainstream media, and the news is still too fresh and being sorted out. When the American Free Press writes their articles on the Cairo and Benghazi protests, I will post the links here.

I think these articles will be stating things like this: Terry Jones' anti-Islamic film was underwritten by 100 Jewish donors. The film was actually produced by Israeli/Jewish American film producer Sam Bacile.

Think the tail doesn't wag the dog? Guess again...

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
Bibi's getting slammed at home:

http://hinterlandgazette.com/2012/09/haaretz-editorial-slams-benjamin-netanyahu-telling-stop-meddling-politics.html

Apparently, it's obvious to his fellow Israelis what he's up to; this ISN'T the 1960's, people.

From the editorial from Haaretz that FT just posted:

"...You see, Bibi has got it all twisted, that the U.S. can’t survive without Israel, when it’s the other way around..."

What Bibi needs to worry about is Obama getting re-elected (with 300+ electoral votes as Seaoat predicts), and then the Obama administration giving Israel the cold shoulder during his second term until Bibi's regime no longer has a mandate in the Knesset, causing his own government to fall. If Israel has been secretly backing all of this pre-election trouble, it would be a deserved result.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
Bibi's getting slammed at home:

http://hinterlandgazette.com/2012/09/haaretz-editorial-slams-benjamin-netanyahu-telling-stop-meddling-politics.html

Apparently, it's obvious to his fellow Israelis what he's up to; this ISN'T the 1960's, people.

From the editorial from Haaretz that FT just posted:

"...You see, Bibi has got it all twisted, that the U.S. can’t survive without Israel, when it’s the other way around..."

What Bibi needs to worry about is Obama getting re-elected (with 300+ electoral votes as Seaoat predicts), and then the Obama administration giving Israel the cold shoulder during his second term until Bibi's regime no longer has a mandate in the Knesset, causing his own government to fall. If Israel has been secretly backing all of this pre-election trouble, it would be a deserved result.

If Israel is ignored by the US, then that is the reason why the US is not really mentioned in end times bibically. We become an also-ran like Great Britain when they did the same and divided up Israel in an inappropriate manner. We will be judged by God negatively. If you think $10 gasoline is bad, this will be worse.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
Bibi's getting slammed at home:

http://hinterlandgazette.com/2012/09/haaretz-editorial-slams-benjamin-netanyahu-telling-stop-meddling-politics.html

Apparently, it's obvious to his fellow Israelis what he's up to; this ISN'T the 1960's, people.

From the editorial from Haaretz that FT just posted:

"...You see, Bibi has got it all twisted, that the U.S. can’t survive without Israel, when it’s the other way around..."

What Bibi needs to worry about is Obama getting re-elected (with 300+ electoral votes as Seaoat predicts), and then the Obama administration giving Israel the cold shoulder during his second term until Bibi's regime no longer has a mandate in the Knesset, causing his own government to fall. If Israel has been secretly backing all of this pre-election trouble, it would be a deserved result.

If Israel is ignored by the US, then that is the reason why the US is not really mentioned in end times bibically. We become an also-ran like Great Britain when they did the same and divided up Israel in an inappropriate manner. We will be judged by God negatively. If you think $10 gasoline is bad, this will be worse.

reaper1948 wrote:Bare with me here. Can anyone make me understand why all these years we have backed Israel? Exactly what good are they to us? I mean if they weren't in the picture do you believe we would have peace in the middle east? Is it time to let them go? They mean absolutely nothing to me and never have.

Floridatexan wrote:

Markle wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

You're cartoon appears a bit hypocritical.

Government Mitt Romney is making serious statements about the situation here and abroad.

On the other hand, it is President Barack Hussein Obama who is traveling to Las Vegal for big fund raisers...you know, where he told us NOT to go.

From Breitbart:

[...]

"He’s hobnobbing with celebrities.


Last night, as the German embassy in Sudan smoldered, Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy rioters, the American military upgraded its presence in Yemen, investigations continued in Libya, Islamists burned American flags in London, Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia, rioters went insane in Lebanon, protesters in Jordan went crazy, protests continued in Egypt, and crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq, the Obama campaign tweeted, “Beyoncé and Jay-Z are hosting the President in New York—your chance for two spots on the guest list ends at midnight.” Priorities, people!
This morning, President Obama also took action at the White House: he welcomed the 2012 US Olympic and Paralympic teams to the White House. Because, as Michelle Obama said, obesity is the greatest threat to national security.

President Obama will get back to business tonight: he’s doing a private fundraiser at 7 PM EDT.

[...]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/14/As-world-burns-Obama-parties-beyonce

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

reaper1948 wrote:Bare with me here. Can anyone make me understand why all these years we have backed Israel? Exactly what good are they to us? I mean if they weren't in the picture do you believe we would have peace in the middle east? Is it time to let them go? They mean absolutely nothing to me and never have.

The sad thing is people like Pacedog truly believe that if the U.S. does not bow down to every demand of the Israeli PM, then God's judgement against America is just around the corner. Folks hear this from the pulpit and read it in books from Christian authors, and in their interpretation of what the Bible says. This is where these notions are rooted, and it makes me glad that there is separation of church and state here. Because, if these notions were coming from the Congress or Senate, we would be no different from the theocracy in Teheran.

I happen to be a Christian believer. I don't proselytize on this forum, but my faith is very personal, and strong. However, I don't buy into all of the end-times hoopla about Zionist Israel. Israel is a country that deserves the right to exist peacefully among other nations on the same terms that those other nations have, without any special considerations. Once moderates get control of that country, there is going to be a lot less tension in the region. My vote will go to the first politician who removes the overwhelming influence the Israeli government has over U.S. policy. Very easy to do: just write an executive order that witholds the delivery of a few F-16s, and they will be eating out of our hands. It's really that simple.

reaper1948 wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

reaper1948 wrote:Bare with me here. Can anyone make me understand why all these years we have backed Israel? Exactly what good are they to us? I mean if they weren't in the picture do you believe we would have peace in the middle east? Is it time to let them go? They mean absolutely nothing to me and never have.

The sad thing is people like Pacedog truly believe that if the U.S. does not bow down to every demand of the Israeli PM, then God's judgement against America is just around the corner. Folks hear this from the pulpit and read it in books from Christian authors, and in their interpretation of what the Bible says. This is where these notions are rooted, and it makes me glad that there is separation of church and state here. Because, if these notions were coming from the Congress or Senate, we would be no different from the theocracy in Teheran.

I happen to be a Christian believer. I don't proselytize on this forum, but my faith is very personal, and strong. However, I don't buy into all of the end-times hoopla about Zionist Israel. Israel is a country that deserves the right to exist peacefully among other nations on the same terms that those other nations have, without any special considerations. Once moderates get control of that country, there is going to be a lot less tension in the region. My vote will go to the first politician who removes the overwhelming influence the Israeli government has over U.S. policy. Very easy to do: just write an executive order that witholds the delivery of a few F-16s, and they will be eating out of our hands. It's really that simple.

I had been drinking last night when I posted, but still feel the same way today.

I was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic school for 11 years, had religion classes everyday and went to church everyday except Saturday and once upon a time knew our version of the bible. Since I left school in 66 have been to church a couple of times and I don't believe in organized religion. I believe God is all around us and we do not need to go to church to worship. I also do not believe Israel is the chosen one.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

reaper1948 wrote:Bare with me here. Can anyone make me understand why all these years we have backed Israel? Exactly what good are they to us? I mean if they weren't in the picture do you believe we would have peace in the middle east? Is it time to let them go? They mean absolutely nothing to me and never have.

The sad thing is people like Pacedog truly believe that if the U.S. does not bow down to every demand of the Israeli PM, then God's judgement against America is just around the corner. Folks hear this from the pulpit and read it in books from Christian authors, and in their interpretation of what the Bible says. This is where these notions are rooted, and it makes me glad that there is separation of church and state here. Because, if these notions were coming from the Congress or Senate, we would be no different from the theocracy in Teheran.

I happen to be a Christian believer. I don't proselytize on this forum, but my faith is very personal, and strong. However, I don't buy into alved l of the end-times hoopla about Zionist Israel. Israel is a country that deserves the right to exist peacefully among other nations on the same terms that those other nations have, without any special considerations. Once moderates get control of that country, there is going to be a lot less tension in the region. My vote will go to the first politician who removes the overwhelming influence the Israeli government has over U.S. policy. Very easy to do: just write an executive order that witholds the delivery of a few F-16s, and they will be eating out of our hands. It's really that simple.

2seaoat wrote:Let me put it another way.....you certainly can have somebody kick sand on you on the beach and sit on your towel.......I will get up..........Now if you are going to say that you kick sand on people, and that I kick sand on people.......OK, but the United States is 6' 10" four hundred pounds, and they will kick sand and get up......so please do not tell me that we have to take direction from another country's policy which is not necessarily in our best interests.

Israel cannot successfully stop Iran with development of Nuclear weapons by their solo military intervention. Their military has all but admitted the same. It is questionable that if we were in fact going to engage Iran at Israel's bequest, that we may actually bring more harm to Israel than benefit. However, continued sanctions and consensus is the proper course. Consensus requires that our national interests and the blood of our young people are not ignored or put into a second tier. The arrogance of the interjection into a political campaign is a bad precedent which has long term negative impacts on our long and important alliance. Romney's personal ties with this particular leader reinforces in my mind how evil this man has become......if he is so superficial to be involved in this overt interjection......he should not be a dog catcher.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

reaper1948 wrote:Bare with me here. Can anyone make me understand why all these years we have backed Israel? Exactly what good are they to us? I mean if they weren't in the picture do you believe we would have peace in the middle east? Is it time to let them go? They mean absolutely nothing to me and never have.

The sad thing is people like Pacedog truly believe that if the U.S. does not bow down to every demand of the Israeli PM, then God's judgement against America is just around the corner. Folks hear this from the pulpit and read it in books from Christian authors, and in their interpretation of what the Bible says. This is where these notions are rooted, and it makes me glad that there is separation of church and state here. Because, if these notions were coming from the Congress or Senate, we would be no different from the theocracy in Teheran.

I happen to be a Christian believer. I don't proselytize on this forum, but my faith is very personal, and strong. However, I don't buy into alved l of the end-times hoopla about Zionist Israel. Israel is a country that deserves the right to exist peacefully among other nations on the same terms that those other nations have, without any special considerations. Once moderates get control of that country, there is going to be a lot less tension in the region. My vote will go to the first politician who removes the overwhelming influence the Israeli government has over U.S. policy. Very easy to do: just write an executive order that witholds the delivery of a few F-16s, and they will be eating out of our hands. It's really that simple.

It's not up to the USA to defend Israel as God will do that be it with sticks and stones or F-16s. Israel has never asked for one American troop to defend them. What they have asked for is weapons support and some cash. BTW, they have improved on our F16s to the point we don't recognize them anymore. They've got better weapons that even we fly. Genesis 12:3 Mr Christian (as you say you are) and if you believe the Bible is the unerring word of God, you will heed God's words. If not, you're just another pagan.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

reaper1948 wrote:Bare with me here. Can anyone make me understand why all these years we have backed Israel? Exactly what good are they to us? I mean if they weren't in the picture do you believe we would have peace in the middle east? Is it time to let them go? They mean absolutely nothing to me and never have.

The sad thing is people like Pacedog truly believe that if the U.S. does not bow down to every demand of the Israeli PM, then God's judgement against America is just around the corner. Folks hear this from the pulpit and read it in books from Christian authors, and in their interpretation of what the Bible says. This is where these notions are rooted, and it makes me glad that there is separation of church and state here. Because, if these notions were coming from the Congress or Senate, we would be no different from the theocracy in Teheran.

I happen to be a Christian believer. I don't proselytize on this forum, but my faith is very personal, and strong. However, I don't buy into alved l of the end-times hoopla about Zionist Israel. Israel is a country that deserves the right to exist peacefully among other nations on the same terms that those other nations have, without any special considerations. Once moderates get control of that country, there is going to be a lot less tension in the region. My vote will go to the first politician who removes the overwhelming influence the Israeli government has over U.S. policy. Very easy to do: just write an executive order that witholds the delivery of a few F-16s, and they will be eating out of our hands. It's really that simple.

It's not up to the USA to defend Israel as God will do that be it with sticks and stones or F-16s. Israel has never asked for one American troop to defend them. What they have asked for is weapons support and some cash. BTW, they have improved on our F16s to the point we don't recognize them anymore. They've got better weapons that even we fly. Genesis 12:3 Mr Christian (as you say you are) and if you believe the Bible is the unerring word of God, you will heed God's words. If not, you're just another pagan.

Around 2,000 years ago, you would have made a great Pharisee. They were all wrapped up in the legalism you adhere to, and thought they knew the Word (old testament at that time) through and through in 'unerring' fashion. Of course, they were also the ones who helped kill Jesus. Had you lived in that day, I believe you would have been right there with them.