New York to raise fast food workers minimum wage to $15 per hour.

2seaoat wrote:Why do the Progressives here REFUSE to answer?

Because they are not at 121 on the IQ list?

2seaoat wrote:Since it is based on income, I guess I'd be up among the top 10, 20 or so.

Nope......you are 121 where I think you should be thankful......if we voted around here based on threads like this......well we would not be as generous as the author.

Markle wrote:What is the rate of workers earning minimum wage who are the heads of households.

What is the average income of households where one of the workers earns minimum wage?

Markle wrote:The average family income of a minimum-wage worker is $53,000 a year, less than the national average of $79,500 a year but well above the poverty level.

[15]Ibid.

[13] Heritage Foundation calculations based on data from U.S. Census Bureau, Current Population Survey (CPS), 2011 and 2012 monthly surveys. Poverty and family income data are from the March supplement to the 2011 and 2012 CPS. Minimum wage workers are those who report earnings of $7.25 an hour or less.

Markle wrote:What is the rate of workers earning minimum wage who are the heads of households.

boards of FL wrote:Markle, these are your questions:

Markle wrote:What is the rate of workers earning minimum wage who are the heads of households.

What is the average income of households where one of the workers earns minimum wage?

You only answered one of them:

Markle wrote:The average family income of a minimum-wage worker is $53,000 a year, less than the national average of $79,500 a year but well above the poverty level.

You didn't provide a source for this information, so I googled the quote above.  It led me here:

http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2014/01/facts-about-the-minimum-wage

Notice how your quote lists [15] as the reference.  When one scrolls down to examine the source of that information, they see this:

[15]Ibid.

Scrolling back up to the previous source that isn't "Ibid", one sees this:

[13] Heritage Foundation calculations based on data from U.S. Census Bureau, Current Population Survey (CPS), 2011 and 2012 monthly surveys. Poverty and family income data are from the March supplement to the 2011 and 2012 CPS. Minimum wage workers are those who report earnings of $7.25 an hour or less.

Do you understand what that means, Markle?  It means that the Heritage Foundation is referencing itself for that information.  There is nowhere else that you will find this information referenced.  It comes from the Heritage Foundation and will only be found at the Heritage Foundation.  

This is no different than if I were to say, "Markle is an idiot [1]"


References:

[1] - boards of FL



But what is most pathetic about your display in this thread is the fact that you can't even answer both of your own questions.  You gave us a bullshit, unsourced answer for one of them, and the other you claim to have answered but you did not.  

Ole' Man Markle, what is the answer to this question?  

Markle wrote:What is the rate of workers earning minimum wage who are the heads of households.

And be sure to provide your source, Ole' Man Markle.

Enjoy a werther's original while you do your legwork.



And putting all of this aside, can you explain how - even if you had answered your questions and even if they were legitimately source (which, you haven't and they are not) - any of this is relevant to the discussion at hand?

2seaoat wrote:Which led you to exactly the same FACTS 2seaoat found at Wiki.

Wow, we joke about it....but please make a doc appointment.  I did not go to Wiki.....we have done this discussion with you asking the same questions over and over three times since the first of the year.  I simply cut and pasted from our prior discussions.  Mr. Markle......seriously make an appointment.....this stuff was not happening five years ago.....you had game and could remember stuff.....I cut and pasted our March discussion which I alluded to repeatedly in the thread as not being relevant and having been discussed.  Also, get one of those "help, I fell and cannot get up devices" to wear around your neck when you forget where you are......I am afraid we are going to read in the news Tallahassee man found on the interstate wandering planting Kudzu.

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:Markle, these are your questions:

Markle wrote:What is the rate of workers earning minimum wage who are the heads of households.

What is the average income of households where one of the workers earns minimum wage?

You only answered one of them:

Markle wrote:The average family income of a minimum-wage worker is $53,000 a year, less than the national average of $79,500 a year but well above the poverty level.

You didn't provide a source for this information, so I googled the quote above.  It led me here:

http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2014/01/facts-about-the-minimum-wage

Notice how your quote lists [15] as the reference.  When one scrolls down to examine the source of that information, they see this:

[15]Ibid.

Scrolling back up to the previous source that isn't "Ibid", one sees this:

[13] Heritage Foundation calculations based on data from U.S. Census Bureau, Current Population Survey (CPS), 2011 and 2012 monthly surveys. Poverty and family income data are from the March supplement to the 2011 and 2012 CPS. Minimum wage workers are those who report earnings of $7.25 an hour or less.

Do you understand what that means, Markle?  It means that the Heritage Foundation is referencing itself for that information.  There is nowhere else that you will find this information referenced.  It comes from the Heritage Foundation and will only be found at the Heritage Foundation.  

This is no different than if I were to say, "Markle is an idiot [1]"


References:

[1] - boards of FL



But what is most pathetic about your display in this thread is the fact that you can't even answer both of your own questions.  You gave us a bullshit, unsourced answer for one of them, and the other you claim to have answered but you did not.  

Ole' Man Markle, what is the answer to this question?  

Markle wrote:What is the rate of workers earning minimum wage who are the heads of households.

And be sure to provide your source, Ole' Man Markle.

Enjoy a werther's original while you do your legwork.



And putting all of this aside, can you explain how - even if you had answered your questions and even if they were legitimately source (which, you haven't and they are not) - any of this is relevant to the discussion at hand?

Which led you to exactly the same FACTS as 2seaoat..  

Now find a reliable source that proves all those FACTS you and 2seaoat discovered...wrong.

I enjoyed the Werthers which proves again, you have no original thoughts.

Keep up the good work.

Markle wrote:All this word salad because the Progressives know that when the FACTS are vividly displayed about the worthlessness of raising the minimum wage, they PANIC.  They jump up to slinging all sorts of salad ingredients in an effort to hide the facts and truth.  They are SO predictable.

Facts About the Minimum Wage


Reduced Opportunities to Gain Experience
◾Studies find raising the minimum wage does not reduce poverty.[1] It is a completely ineffective anti-poverty policy.

◾The primary value of minimum-wage jobs is that they are learning jobs. They teach inexperienced employees basic employment skills that make them more productive and enable them to earn raises or move to better jobs.

◾Over half of all Americans started their careers making within $1 of the minimum wage.[2] Few stayed there long.

◾Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers earn raises within a year—without the government’s help.[3]

◾Correctly adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage currently stands above its historical average since 1950.[4]

◾The minimum wage hike sponsored by some Members of Congress and supported by President Obama would raise the minimum wage to an unprecedented level—one-seventh above its inflation-adjusted all-time high.[5]

◾This would cause employers to reduce hiring, leaving fewer people employed.[6] Macroeconomic modeling shows the proposed minimum wage increase would eliminate 300,000 jobs.[7] That means fewer opportunities for unskilled workers to get started in the labor market and move their way up.

◾When businesses have to pay higher wages, businesses hire higher-skill workers, freezing the least productive, most disadvantaged workers out of the job market.[8][9] Consequently minimum wage hikes harm the very people that proponents of the laws most want to help.

Primarily Affects Younger Workers Without Family Responsibilities
◾Only 2.9 percent of wage earners earn the federal minimum wage.[10][11][12]

◾Most minimum-wage earners are teenagers or young adults, not heads of families.

◾Over half of minimum-wage earners are between the ages of 16 and 24.[13]

◾Two-thirds work part time (defined as less than 35 hours a week).[14]

◾The average family income of a minimum-wage worker is $53,000 a year, less than the national average of $79,500 a year but well above the poverty level.[15]

◾Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers live in families with incomes above 150 percent of the poverty line.[16]

◾Just 4 percent of minimum-wage workers are single parents working full time, compared to 5.6 percent of all U.S. workers.[17]

Adds to Obamacare Burden
◾The Obamacare employer mandate is already scheduled to raise the cost of hiring less-skilled workers. When the mandate takes effect in 2015 the minimum cost of hiring a full-time worker will rise to $10.30 an hour. That includes the minimum wage, employer payroll taxes, and the employer mandate.[18]

◾From the employer’s perspective the cost of hiring workers has increased, but the additional money goes to the government instead of the employees.[19]

◾The proposed minimum wage increase of $10.10 an hour would bring the minimum cost of hiring a full-time worker—including the Obamacare penalties—to $12.71 an hour.[20]

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:All this word salad because the Progressives know that when the FACTS are vividly displayed about the worthlessness of raising the minimum wage, they PANIC.  They jump up to slinging all sorts of salad ingredients in an effort to hide the facts and truth.  They are SO predictable.

Facts About the Minimum Wage


Reduced Opportunities to Gain Experience
◾Studies find raising the minimum wage does not reduce poverty.[1] It is a completely ineffective anti-poverty policy.

◾The primary value of minimum-wage jobs is that they are learning jobs. They teach inexperienced employees basic employment skills that make them more productive and enable them to earn raises or move to better jobs.

◾Over half of all Americans started their careers making within $1 of the minimum wage.[2] Few stayed there long.

◾Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers earn raises within a year—without the government’s help.[3]

◾Correctly adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage currently stands above its historical average since 1950.[4]

◾The minimum wage hike sponsored by some Members of Congress and supported by President Obama would raise the minimum wage to an unprecedented level—one-seventh above its inflation-adjusted all-time high.[5]

◾This would cause employers to reduce hiring, leaving fewer people employed.[6] Macroeconomic modeling shows the proposed minimum wage increase would eliminate 300,000 jobs.[7] That means fewer opportunities for unskilled workers to get started in the labor market and move their way up.

◾When businesses have to pay higher wages, businesses hire higher-skill workers, freezing the least productive, most disadvantaged workers out of the job market.[8][9] Consequently minimum wage hikes harm the very people that proponents of the laws most want to help.

Primarily Affects Younger Workers Without Family Responsibilities
◾Only 2.9 percent of wage earners earn the federal minimum wage.[10][11][12]

◾Most minimum-wage earners are teenagers or young adults, not heads of families.

◾Over half of minimum-wage earners are between the ages of 16 and 24.[13]

◾Two-thirds work part time (defined as less than 35 hours a week).[14]

◾The average family income of a minimum-wage worker is $53,000 a year, less than the national average of $79,500 a year but well above the poverty level.[15]

◾Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers live in families with incomes above 150 percent of the poverty line.[16]

◾Just 4 percent of minimum-wage workers are single parents working full time, compared to 5.6 percent of all U.S. workers.[17]

Adds to Obamacare Burden
◾The Obamacare employer mandate is already scheduled to raise the cost of hiring less-skilled workers. When the mandate takes effect in 2015 the minimum cost of hiring a full-time worker will rise to $10.30 an hour. That includes the minimum wage, employer payroll taxes, and the employer mandate.[18]

◾From the employer’s perspective the cost of hiring workers has increased, but the additional money goes to the government instead of the employees.[19]

◾The proposed minimum wage increase of $10.10 an hour would bring the minimum cost of hiring a full-time worker—including the Obamacare penalties—to $12.71 an hour.[20]

All you have done here is re-copy-and-paste the very same Heritage info that has already been submitted into this thread, and you didn't directly respond to anything I just said.  You're trying to make it appear as if you aren't running away, but you clearly are.

Markle, do you acknowledge that the above information is not sourced?  Heritage lists reference numbers after each bullet point, but when you scroll down to the references you will see that the particular bullet point in question that addresses one of your questions comes directly from the Heritage Foundation.   They are referencing themselves in their own bullshit.  Do you have a response to that?  

Look, everyone!  He's doing it again!

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:All this word salad because the Progressives know that when the FACTS are vividly displayed about the worthlessness of raising the minimum wage, they PANIC.  They jump up to slinging all sorts of salad ingredients in an effort to hide the facts and truth.  They are SO predictable.

Facts About the Minimum Wage


Reduced Opportunities to Gain Experience
◾Studies find raising the minimum wage does not reduce poverty.[1] It is a completely ineffective anti-poverty policy.

◾The primary value of minimum-wage jobs is that they are learning jobs. They teach inexperienced employees basic employment skills that make them more productive and enable them to earn raises or move to better jobs.

◾Over half of all Americans started their careers making within $1 of the minimum wage.[2] Few stayed there long.

◾Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers earn raises within a year—without the government’s help.[3]

◾Correctly adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage currently stands above its historical average since 1950.[4]

◾The minimum wage hike sponsored by some Members of Congress and supported by President Obama would raise the minimum wage to an unprecedented level—one-seventh above its inflation-adjusted all-time high.[5]

◾This would cause employers to reduce hiring, leaving fewer people employed.[6] Macroeconomic modeling shows the proposed minimum wage increase would eliminate 300,000 jobs.[7] That means fewer opportunities for unskilled workers to get started in the labor market and move their way up.

◾When businesses have to pay higher wages, businesses hire higher-skill workers, freezing the least productive, most disadvantaged workers out of the job market.[8][9] Consequently minimum wage hikes harm the very people that proponents of the laws most want to help.

Primarily Affects Younger Workers Without Family Responsibilities
◾Only 2.9 percent of wage earners earn the federal minimum wage.[10][11][12]

◾Most minimum-wage earners are teenagers or young adults, not heads of families.

◾Over half of minimum-wage earners are between the ages of 16 and 24.[13]

◾Two-thirds work part time (defined as less than 35 hours a week).[14]

◾The average family income of a minimum-wage worker is $53,000 a year, less than the national average of $79,500 a year but well above the poverty level.[15]

◾Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers live in families with incomes above 150 percent of the poverty line.[16]

◾Just 4 percent of minimum-wage workers are single parents working full time, compared to 5.6 percent of all U.S. workers.[17]

Adds to Obamacare Burden
◾The Obamacare employer mandate is already scheduled to raise the cost of hiring less-skilled workers. When the mandate takes effect in 2015 the minimum cost of hiring a full-time worker will rise to $10.30 an hour. That includes the minimum wage, employer payroll taxes, and the employer mandate.[18]

◾From the employer’s perspective the cost of hiring workers has increased, but the additional money goes to the government instead of the employees.[19]

◾The proposed minimum wage increase of $10.10 an hour would bring the minimum cost of hiring a full-time worker—including the Obamacare penalties—to $12.71 an hour.[20]

All you have done here is re-copy-and-paste the very same Heritage info that has already been submitted into this thread, and you didn't directly respond to anything I just said.  You're trying to make it appear as if you aren't running away, but you clearly are.

Markle, do you acknowledge that the above information is not sourced?  Heritage lists reference numbers after each bullet point, but when you scroll down to the references you will see that the particular bullet point in question that addresses one of your questions comes directly from the Heritage Foundation.   They are referencing themselves in their own bullshit.  Do you have a response to that?  

Look, everyone!  He's doing it again!

Why would I respond to your nonsensical issues?  I destroyed your made up "need" for the minimum wage much less an increase and all you do is typically whine.

At least a few of the Progressives here are good foils, you don't even do that well.

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:All this word salad because the Progressives know that when the FACTS are vividly displayed about the worthlessness of raising the minimum wage, they PANIC.  They jump up to slinging all sorts of salad ingredients in an effort to hide the facts and truth.  They are SO predictable.

Facts About the Minimum Wage


Reduced Opportunities to Gain Experience
◾Studies find raising the minimum wage does not reduce poverty.[1] It is a completely ineffective anti-poverty policy.

◾The primary value of minimum-wage jobs is that they are learning jobs. They teach inexperienced employees basic employment skills that make them more productive and enable them to earn raises or move to better jobs.

◾Over half of all Americans started their careers making within $1 of the minimum wage.[2] Few stayed there long.

◾Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers earn raises within a year—without the government’s help.[3]

◾Correctly adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage currently stands above its historical average since 1950.[4]

◾The minimum wage hike sponsored by some Members of Congress and supported by President Obama would raise the minimum wage to an unprecedented level—one-seventh above its inflation-adjusted all-time high.[5]

◾This would cause employers to reduce hiring, leaving fewer people employed.[6] Macroeconomic modeling shows the proposed minimum wage increase would eliminate 300,000 jobs.[7] That means fewer opportunities for unskilled workers to get started in the labor market and move their way up.

◾When businesses have to pay higher wages, businesses hire higher-skill workers, freezing the least productive, most disadvantaged workers out of the job market.[8][9] Consequently minimum wage hikes harm the very people that proponents of the laws most want to help.

Primarily Affects Younger Workers Without Family Responsibilities
◾Only 2.9 percent of wage earners earn the federal minimum wage.[10][11][12]

◾Most minimum-wage earners are teenagers or young adults, not heads of families.

◾Over half of minimum-wage earners are between the ages of 16 and 24.[13]

◾Two-thirds work part time (defined as less than 35 hours a week).[14]

◾The average family income of a minimum-wage worker is $53,000 a year, less than the national average of $79,500 a year but well above the poverty level.[15]

◾Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers live in families with incomes above 150 percent of the poverty line.[16]

◾Just 4 percent of minimum-wage workers are single parents working full time, compared to 5.6 percent of all U.S. workers.[17]

Adds to Obamacare Burden
◾The Obamacare employer mandate is already scheduled to raise the cost of hiring less-skilled workers. When the mandate takes effect in 2015 the minimum cost of hiring a full-time worker will rise to $10.30 an hour. That includes the minimum wage, employer payroll taxes, and the employer mandate.[18]

◾From the employer’s perspective the cost of hiring workers has increased, but the additional money goes to the government instead of the employees.[19]

◾The proposed minimum wage increase of $10.10 an hour would bring the minimum cost of hiring a full-time worker—including the Obamacare penalties—to $12.71 an hour.[20]

All you have done here is re-copy-and-paste the very same Heritage info that has already been submitted into this thread, and you didn't directly respond to anything I just said.  You're trying to make it appear as if you aren't running away, but you clearly are.

Markle, do you acknowledge that the above information is not sourced?  Heritage lists reference numbers after each bullet point, but when you scroll down to the references you will see that the particular bullet point in question that addresses one of your questions comes directly from the Heritage Foundation.   They are referencing themselves in their own bullshit.  Do you have a response to that?  

Look, everyone!  He's doing it again!

Why would I respond to your nonsensical issues?  I destroyed your made up "need" for the minimum wage much less an increase and all you do is typically whine.

At least a few of the Progressives here are good foils, you don't even do that well.

Because they're not nonsensical issues.  You haven't "destroyed" anything.  All you did was repeatedly ask the same two questions.  You were only able to provide an answer to one of those questions, and that answer isn't even valid as you have no source for it.   And I'm pretty sure that I clearly explained this to you in each of my last two posts.  Can you not read?  

It's amazing that someone can enter a thread, not provide even a shred of substance, and then claim to have "destroyed" something.

See ya later, Ole' Man Markle!  Look at him go!

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:All this word salad because the Progressives know that when the FACTS are vividly displayed about the worthlessness of raising the minimum wage, they PANIC.  They jump up to slinging all sorts of salad ingredients in an effort to hide the facts and truth.  They are SO predictable.

Facts About the Minimum Wage


Reduced Opportunities to Gain Experience
◾Studies find raising the minimum wage does not reduce poverty.[1] It is a completely ineffective anti-poverty policy.

◾The primary value of minimum-wage jobs is that they are learning jobs. They teach inexperienced employees basic employment skills that make them more productive and enable them to earn raises or move to better jobs.

◾Over half of all Americans started their careers making within $1 of the minimum wage.[2] Few stayed there long.

◾Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers earn raises within a year—without the government’s help.[3]

◾Correctly adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage currently stands above its historical average since 1950.[4]

◾The minimum wage hike sponsored by some Members of Congress and supported by President Obama would raise the minimum wage to an unprecedented level—one-seventh above its inflation-adjusted all-time high.[5]

◾This would cause employers to reduce hiring, leaving fewer people employed.[6] Macroeconomic modeling shows the proposed minimum wage increase would eliminate 300,000 jobs.[7] That means fewer opportunities for unskilled workers to get started in the labor market and move their way up.

◾When businesses have to pay higher wages, businesses hire higher-skill workers, freezing the least productive, most disadvantaged workers out of the job market.[8][9] Consequently minimum wage hikes harm the very people that proponents of the laws most want to help.

Primarily Affects Younger Workers Without Family Responsibilities
◾Only 2.9 percent of wage earners earn the federal minimum wage.[10][11][12]

◾Most minimum-wage earners are teenagers or young adults, not heads of families.

◾Over half of minimum-wage earners are between the ages of 16 and 24.[13]

◾Two-thirds work part time (defined as less than 35 hours a week).[14]

◾The average family income of a minimum-wage worker is $53,000 a year, less than the national average of $79,500 a year but well above the poverty level.[15]

◾Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers live in families with incomes above 150 percent of the poverty line.[16]

◾Just 4 percent of minimum-wage workers are single parents working full time, compared to 5.6 percent of all U.S. workers.[17]

Adds to Obamacare Burden
◾The Obamacare employer mandate is already scheduled to raise the cost of hiring less-skilled workers. When the mandate takes effect in 2015 the minimum cost of hiring a full-time worker will rise to $10.30 an hour. That includes the minimum wage, employer payroll taxes, and the employer mandate.[18]

◾From the employer’s perspective the cost of hiring workers has increased, but the additional money goes to the government instead of the employees.[19]

◾The proposed minimum wage increase of $10.10 an hour would bring the minimum cost of hiring a full-time worker—including the Obamacare penalties—to $12.71 an hour.[20]

All you have done here is re-copy-and-paste the very same Heritage info that has already been submitted into this thread, and you didn't directly respond to anything I just said.  You're trying to make it appear as if you aren't running away, but you clearly are.

Markle, do you acknowledge that the above information is not sourced?  Heritage lists reference numbers after each bullet point, but when you scroll down to the references you will see that the particular bullet point in question that addresses one of your questions comes directly from the Heritage Foundation.   They are referencing themselves in their own bullshit.  Do you have a response to that?  

Look, everyone!  He's doing it again!

Why would I respond to your nonsensical issues?  I destroyed your made up "need" for the minimum wage much less an increase and all you do is typically whine.

At least a few of the Progressives here are good foils, you don't even do that well.

Because they're not nonsensical issues.  You haven't "destroyed" anything.  All you did was repeatedly ask the same two questions.  You were only able to provide an answer to one of those questions, and that answer isn't even valid as you have no source for it.   And I'm pretty sure that I clearly explained this to you in each of my last two posts.  Can you not read?  

It's amazing that someone can enter a thread, not provide even a shred of substance, and then claim to have "destroyed" something.

See ya later, Ole' Man Markle!  Look at him go!

As you know, I forced your comrades to answer both questions, and more.  You and your comrades are the only ones running.  

Wordslinger wrote:The issue isn't who, at what age or experience deserves a wage that pays for food, rent and healthcare, it's about everyone having a job relying that they will be able to live without state aid.  Some teenagers live at home, others do not.  I was on my own at 15, and getting the rent paid and my belly full was almost the whole game.