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The Chinese get it......300k cut from military

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2seaoat



GDP and economic growth is the correlation which best describes military power.  The Chinese realize that to grow your military during down periods is not proper management of the economy which must sustain and grow to support a military.   The French and British saw the collapse of their power realizing too late that the burden of the military had outstripped their economies ability to support the same.

America thinks ignoring history and growing military beyond our ability to reinvest in our economy is a sure fired path to military power loss.   America has to make deep military cuts, not because it makes us weaker, but because it makes us stronger.   China is a much more formidable nation long term by mastering this simple economic law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/world/asia/beijing-turns-into-ghost-town-as-it-gears-up-for-military-parade.html?_r=0

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300K? Lol... talk about your token efforts. That's like running a city block and celebrating that you ran a marathon.

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2seaoat wrote:GDP and economic growth is the correlation which best describes military power.  The Chinese realize that to grow your military during down periods is not proper management of the economy which must sustain and grow to support a military.   The French and British saw the collapse of their power realizing too late that the burden of the military had outstripped their economies ability to support the same.

America thinks ignoring history and growing military beyond our ability to reinvest in our economy is a sure fired path to military power loss.   America has to make deep military cuts, not because it makes us weaker, but because it makes us stronger.   China is a much more formidable nation long term by mastering this simple economic law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/world/asia/beijing-turns-into-ghost-town-as-it-gears-up-for-military-parade.html?_r=0

They can be conscripted faster than we can draft and train our own. You have no clue of how China has its military set up and even how they will use them once reconsolidated.The Chinese get it......300k cut from military 11988359_706233266177186_8357640442458040146_n

gatorfan



2seaoat wrote:GDP and economic growth is the correlation which best describes military power.  The Chinese realize that to grow your military during down periods is not proper management of the economy which must sustain and grow to support a military.   The French and British saw the collapse of their power realizing too late that the burden of the military had outstripped their economies ability to support the same.

America thinks ignoring history and growing military beyond our ability to reinvest in our economy is a sure fired path to military power loss.   America has to make deep military cuts, not because it makes us weaker, but because it makes us stronger.   China is a much more formidable nation long term by mastering this simple economic law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/world/asia/beijing-turns-into-ghost-town-as-it-gears-up-for-military-parade.html?_r=0

Whoopty doo doo, that only leaves 2 MILLION in uniform. The real reason is they are shifting their emphasis to Naval and Air forces instead of land since they obviously realize a major land battle is not likely. If you understood the article you would realize the move is less about money than strategy. But that isn’t part of your agenda.

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gatorfan wrote:
2seaoat wrote:GDP and economic growth is the correlation which best describes military power.  The Chinese realize that to grow your military during down periods is not proper management of the economy which must sustain and grow to support a military.   The French and British saw the collapse of their power realizing too late that the burden of the military had outstripped their economies ability to support the same.

America thinks ignoring history and growing military beyond our ability to reinvest in our economy is a sure fired path to military power loss.   America has to make deep military cuts, not because it makes us weaker, but because it makes us stronger.   China is a much more formidable nation long term by mastering this simple economic law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/world/asia/beijing-turns-into-ghost-town-as-it-gears-up-for-military-parade.html?_r=0

Whoopty doo doo, that only leaves 2 MILLION in uniform. The real reason is they are shifting their emphasis to Naval and Air forces instead of land since they obviously realize a major land battle is not likely. If you understood the article you would realize the move is less about money than strategy. But that isn’t part of your agenda.

While the US cuts on the military are about money and not strategy. I don't think present day leaders, civilian and military, have a clue for strategy.

We closed down bases in Germany. Now what are we doing? Rotating troops in and out of Germany and Poland.

Continued money for the defense contractors so strategy will always be where the dart hits the board for the military.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

SheWrites wrote:
gatorfan wrote:
2seaoat wrote:GDP and economic growth is the correlation which best describes military power.  The Chinese realize that to grow your military during down periods is not proper management of the economy which must sustain and grow to support a military.   The French and British saw the collapse of their power realizing too late that the burden of the military had outstripped their economies ability to support the same.

America thinks ignoring history and growing military beyond our ability to reinvest in our economy is a sure fired path to military power loss.   America has to make deep military cuts, not because it makes us weaker, but because it makes us stronger.   China is a much more formidable nation long term by mastering this simple economic law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/world/asia/beijing-turns-into-ghost-town-as-it-gears-up-for-military-parade.html?_r=0

Whoopty doo doo, that only leaves 2 MILLION in uniform. The real reason is they are shifting their emphasis to Naval and Air forces instead of land since they obviously realize a major land battle is not likely. If you understood the article you would realize the move is less about money than strategy. But that isn’t part of your agenda.

While the US cuts on the military are about money and not strategy.  I don't think present day leaders, civilian and military, have a clue for strategy.  

We closed down bases in Germany.  Now what are we doing?  Rotating troops in and out of Germany and Poland.  

Continued money for the defense contractors so strategy will always be where the dart hits the board for the military.  


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2seaoat



That represented a 15% cut in personnel. The way wars were fought are fundamentally changed with new technology. We need to cut back 25% of our military expenditures over the next 15 years. Yes, we need to invest in better technology and smart applications which minimize the costly military person employed.

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Guest

You've never served in the military so your self serving idea you know it all isn't worth a pot to pee in

2seaoat



You've never served in the military so your self serving idea you know it all isn't worth a pot to pee in



Nor have 99% of American citizens who are tired of giving checks to people for non productive work which does not grow our economy. We need to get these people off the government teat, and use the tax money saved to create job tax credits which expand the private sector and actually employee productive people who grow our GDP, instead of sucking on the teat. The endless dumping of our resources down the MIC rabbit hole is coming to an end. Nobody cares about more military expenditures and wasting money on the same. A 25% cut in 15 years is modest.

gatorfan



2seaoat wrote:You've never served in the military so your self serving idea you know it all isn't worth a pot to pee in



Nor have 99% of American citizens who are tired of giving checks to people for non productive work which does not grow our economy.  

Many working Americans are equally tired of handing out checks to generations of welfare recipients who are in many cases too dammed lazy to get off the couch and even try to find work. Really, why should they? There are hundreds of programs for training and education available nationwide for these folks but much of that money is wasted due to lack of interest on the part of the intended recipients.

DoD needs to be streamlined and their civilian workforce cut before any military. Their reliance on civilian labor costing 3 times more than an equivalent military specialist needs to be cut back. That won't happen because of all the elected officials pet projects. It's one of the most bloated departments in government and rife with waste. Cut the F-35 too - biggest waste of $$ ever.

2seaoat



We can cut military spending and still have the best defense in the world.....we may not have the best invading force.

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Obamasucks wrote:You've never served in the military so your self serving idea you know it all isn't worth a pot to pee in

Mr. Sucks, you need to open up that thick jar head you have and understand that being in the military is not prerequisite to having ideas and opinions about the military.

Seaoat - you said "We can cut military spending and still have the best defense in the world."

I totally agree.

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by SheWrites Today at 9:46 pm
Obamasucks wrote:
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You've never served in the military so your self serving idea you know it all isn't worth a pot to pee in
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Mr. Sucks, you need to open up that thick jar head you have and understand that being in the military is not prerequisite to having ideas and opinions about the military.

Seaoat - you said "We can cut military spending and still have the best defense in the world."

I totally agree.
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It's inherent
To understanding what cuts actually do and the complications is causes along with the attrition the operations tempo creates for those of who do serve.

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Guest

2seaoat wrote:That represented a 15% cut in personnel.  The way wars were fought are fundamentally changed with new technology.   We need to cut back 25% of our military expenditures over the next 15 years.  Yes, we need to invest in better technology and smart applications which minimize the costly military person employed.

Yes, your messiah thinks that smart bombs and drones actually take ground and hold it when that is very far from the truth.

Sal

Sal

Obamasucks wrote:
2seaoat wrote:That represented a 15% cut in personnel.  The way wars were fought are fundamentally changed with new technology.   We need to cut back 25% of our military expenditures over the next 15 years.  Yes, we need to invest in better technology and smart applications which minimize the costly military person employed.

Yes, your messiah thinks that smart bombs and drones actually take ground and hold it when that is very far from the truth.

He's not trying to "take ground and hold it".

He's targeting and degrading capabilities.

"Taking ground and holding it" is for the people who actually live in the region as it should be.

Markle

Markle

Obamasucks wrote:
2seaoat wrote:That represented a 15% cut in personnel.  The way wars were fought are fundamentally changed with new technology.   We need to cut back 25% of our military expenditures over the next 15 years.  Yes, we need to invest in better technology and smart applications which minimize the costly military person employed.

Yes, your messiah thinks that smart bombs and drones actually take ground and hold it when that is very far from the truth.

2seaoat doesn't even believe what he posts. IF he does, he is hoping and praying that his loved ones will be living under either a Russian or Chinese regime.

Most likely it will be China. They are pumping out submarines at an incredible rate. They control the ports at each end of the greatly enlarged Panama Canal, the Long Beach port and a huge port is being completed in the Bahama's adjoining a 13,000 ft. runway.

Right now they are having huge economic problems which is dragging down our and the rest of the worlds economy.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

IF he does, he is hoping and praying that his loved ones will be living under either a Russian or Chinese regime.

The poster does not know if he is coming or going. The Chinese have taken over Panama, Long Beach (where I went to college), and the Bahamas. The Russians--who have only been sleeping since the end of the Cold War 24 years ago, are now awakened and stalking us as ever before. ISIS is sending fanatical Muslim fighters to engage us, and Iran wants atomic bombs.

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Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:IF he does, he is hoping and praying that his loved ones will be living under either a Russian or Chinese regime.

The poster does not know if he is coming or going. The Chinese have taken over Panama, Long Beach (where I went to college), and the Bahamas. The Russians--who have only been sleeping since the end of the Cold War 24 years ago, are now awakened and stalking us as ever before. ISIS is sending fanatical Muslim fighters to engage us, and Iran wants atomic bombs.[/color]


You know that's not what I said, why are you lying? Is that the best you can do?

2seaoat



2seaoat doesn't even believe what he posts. IF he does, he is hoping and praying that his loved ones will be living under either a Russian or Chinese regime.


I have no fear of the Chinese becoming an offensive world aggressor. Some people need to study history. I have no fear of Russia becoming an offensive world aggressor. Most of their actions have been calculated and totally foreseeable defensive moves based on Nato's encroachments into their zone of influence.

We need to look at what Ike warned us about. We need to look at the resistance President Kennedy faced when he wanted to disengage from southeast Asia and wanted to reestablish relations with Cuba immediately after the Cuban Missile Crisis. We need to see what really is driving our foreign policy. I believe a corrupt MIC and Oligarchy, and you only need to see what Markle posts to find which way the wind is blowing. We need to cut our military and invest in America. We need to stop being merchants of death in our foreign aid......economic aid thumbs up.....military aid.......not so much.

Markle

Markle

I have no fear of dying either but I know it is going to happen.

China has no need or desire to invade or attack America.

It is not unlike a masterfully played chess game. At one point, one or the other opponents sees that two, three or four moves, they will lose regardless of their next plays. They simply turn their king on its side signifying that they see the inevitable and resign.

We'll simply be forced to hand over the keys.

2seaoat



We'll simply be forced to hand over the keys.


You simply are scared as you are aging. It is natural as we age to think that everything is going to hell in a handbasket. I remember as a child the conversations at the kitchen table. My grandparents were a hoot. We are now them. Take a chill pill. Enjoy the long life you have lived and be happy you were born in the greatest country in world history. I have no fears for my children or grandkids because they live in a better world than I lived. Sure we should work for improvements, but throwing money down the rabbit hole of defense spending and trying to make China the boogey man to justify the same is silly. Nobody is turning the keys over if we start using our brains and quit allowing special interests to steal our country. Try some shuffleboard and go out on a limb.....bet a quarter a game.....and just maybe you will not be so anxious about the chinese....better yet.....make the bet crab ragoons......winner take all. Have some fun.

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