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26trump immigration reform - Page 2 Empty Re: trump immigration reform 8/17/2015, 1:11 pm

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by nadalfan Today at 12:33 pm
Obamasucks wrote:
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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform


Love this!!!

When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.

Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

Make Mexico Pay For The Wall

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While I applaud you for starting a thread that's not about President Obama or Clinton, Trump wants to deport all illegal immigrants. Is that a realistic solution? How costly would that be? What would the economic impact be?

He also wants to deport children born here, US citizens, if their parents are illegal, thereby keeping families together. Should we change the constitution?

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What's the
Cost of continued lifetime support of these people who have few job skills and very little Ability or mastery of the English language? Cheaper to send them home.

27trump immigration reform - Page 2 Empty Re: trump immigration reform 8/17/2015, 1:13 pm

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by Salinsky Today at 4:41 pm
Fiscal hawks, how much is this going to cost?

Conservative estimate:

Cost of deporting millions of people - at least half a triillion

Reduction in tax revenue - 10-20 billion

Reduction in demand for goods and services - very hard to quantify, but A LOT

This policy is not only racist in nature, but it alone would explode the deficit.

Maybe, Trump is a real Republican after all.

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What's the lifetime costs compared to shipping them all back? Much cheaper in the long run. It's pretty obvious.

28trump immigration reform - Page 2 Empty Re: trump immigration reform 8/17/2015, 1:14 pm

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And it's not racist because blacks support sending them back to their home country as well.

29trump immigration reform - Page 2 Empty Re: trump immigration reform 8/17/2015, 1:20 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

PkrBum wrote:The desire to allow illegal immigration is the desire to allow criminal cartels to exploit and savage the very people y'all pretend to care so much about. I don't know why y'all have this romanticized vision... the reality is brutal and subhuman.

As I put in another post thing morning, Chris Matthews (remember he's the one whose leg tingles over obama like sal's and seaoat's) answered your question best when he was on Morning Joe last week.
He said "it's all very simple. The democrats want the votes and the republicans want the cheap labor".

Of course he's not the first one to say it, it's been said many times before because it's the truth. But it was surprising to see somebody like Matthews laying it on the line like that. I think he may have learned something from how Trump articulates stuff. lol

30trump immigration reform - Page 2 Empty Re: trump immigration reform 8/17/2015, 1:25 pm

Sal

Sal

Obamasucks wrote:
What's the
Cost of continued lifetime support of these people who have few job skills and very little Ability or mastery of the English language? Cheaper to send them home.
Obamasucks wrote:
What's the lifetime costs compared to shipping them all back? Much cheaper in the long run. It's pretty obvious.
Obamasucks wrote:And it's not racist because blacks support sending them back to their home country as well.

This is some kind of special, high octane stupid.

GOP 2016!!

31trump immigration reform - Page 2 Empty Re: trump immigration reform 8/17/2015, 1:48 pm

2seaoat



If the constitution were being followed we would have a secure border and illegal aliens would be deported.

Willful ignorance.  

The detailed enumeration of congressional powers in Article I of the Constitution does not include any power to restrict migration as such, even though it does include the power to make laws concerning the “naturalization” of foreigners and “regulate Commerce with foreign Nations.” The Naturalization Clause does not create a power to prevent foreigners from entering the country. It merely allows Congress to set conditions for the grant of citizenship.

Congress can restrict the entry of some foreigners by using its other enumerated powers. For example, the power to declare war and to spend money for the “common defence” includes a power to forcibly restrict entry by enemy spies, terrorists, and soldiers. The power to “define and punish” offenses against “the law of nations” presumably allows Congress to restrict the movement of pirates and other violators of international law. But there is no general enumerated power giving Congress the authority to ban the entry of people simply because they are foreign nationals.

Sadly as I have argued for years our immigration laws originate from prejudice and fear and were for the most part unconstitutional.  Not until the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 did Congress adopt a significant law banning migration as such, as opposed to restricting eligibility for citizenship or excluding individuals who posed a specific threat that Congress could address under one of its other enumerated powers. And, even then, there was considerable controversy over the law’s constitutionality, despite the fact that the Act was popular due to widespread anti-Chinese prejudice.

So the illusion of your strict constructionist interpretation of the constitution would suggests that our founding fathers NEVER gave congress constitutional power to restrict migration to America, and only the activist court folks have argued that the constitution is a living document and that the power to restrict should be part of the plenary power.  So you arguing we need to follow the constitution, well the constitution says that the undocumented can come to this country.......it is by the racist restrictions of the 1920s that some have tried to change the constitution.

32trump immigration reform - Page 2 Empty Re: trump immigration reform 8/19/2015, 9:01 am

nadalfan



http://fusion.net/video/184883/jorge-ramos-donald-trumps-immigration-plan-is-all-wrong-and-impossible-to-achieve/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialshare&utm_content=desktop+top

Jorge Ramos: Donald Trump’s immigration plan is ‘all wrong’ and ‘impossible to achieve’
by AMERICA with Jorge Ramos | August 18, 2015 6:09 PM
Jorge Ramos has read Donald Trump’s plan for immigration reform, and he’s not impressed.

“I think it’s all wrong,” he said. “It’s simply impossible to achieve.”

The GOP presidential candidate, who unveiled his immigration proposal over the weekend, is calling for the construction of a wall across the U.S.-Mexican border (a project he wants the Mexican government to pay for), the mass deportation of all undocumented immigrants, and the repeal of birthright citizenship.

“He wants to deport 11 million immigrants living in this country,” Ramos said of the Republican presidential hopeful. “How is he going to do it? Is he going to do it by plane? By bus? Is he going to send in the army?”

Ramos says Trump’s proposal leaves many questions unanswered.

On birthright citizenship: “The last time I checked the 14th amendment (of the Constitution) read that all persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States. He might not like that, but the children of immigrants born in this country are U.S. citizens just as he is.”

On the wall: “Can you imagine building a fence for the 1,900 miles between Mexico and the United States? He says he is good with money, but it makes no sense. It’s a waste of money and time. Forty percent of all undocumented immigrants — 40% — come by plane.”

“I think it’s very important that he’s talking about immigration,” Ramos added. “But he’s saying all the wrong things.”

33trump immigration reform - Page 2 Empty Re: trump immigration reform 8/19/2015, 9:23 am

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

2seaoat wrote:If the constitution were being followed we would have a secure border and illegal aliens would be deported.

Willful ignorance.  

The detailed enumeration of congressional powers in Article I of the Constitution does not include any power to restrict migration as such, even though it does include the power to make laws concerning the “naturalization” of foreigners and “regulate Commerce with foreign Nations.” The Naturalization Clause does not create a power to prevent foreigners from entering the country. It merely allows Congress to set conditions for the grant of citizenship.

Congress can restrict the entry of some foreigners by using its other enumerated powers. For example, the power to declare war and to spend money for the “common defence” includes a power to forcibly restrict entry by enemy spies, terrorists, and soldiers. The power to “define and punish” offenses against “the law of nations” presumably allows Congress to restrict the movement of pirates and other violators of international law. But there is no general enumerated power giving Congress the authority to ban the entry of people simply because they are foreign nationals.

Sadly as I have argued for years our immigration laws originate from prejudice and fear and were for the most part unconstitutional.  Not until the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 did Congress adopt a significant law banning migration as such, as opposed to restricting eligibility for citizenship or excluding individuals who posed a specific threat that Congress could address under one of its other enumerated powers. And, even then, there was considerable controversy over the law’s constitutionality, despite the fact that the Act was popular due to widespread anti-Chinese prejudice.

So the illusion of your strict constructionist interpretation of the constitution would suggests that our founding fathers NEVER gave congress constitutional power to restrict migration to America, and only the activist court folks have argued that the constitution is a living document and that the power to restrict should be part of the plenary power.  So you arguing we need to follow the constitution, well the constitution says that the undocumented can come to this country.......it is by the racist restrictions of the 1920s that some have tried to change the constitution.

Ain't it funny how many liberals will claim to have a "loose constructionist" view of the constitution will suddenly become "strict constructionists" depending on what particular agenda item they are trying to argue for or against?    Rolling Eyes

(To be fair, a lot of conservatives succumb to the same type of hypocrisy)

34trump immigration reform - Page 2 Empty Re: trump immigration reform 8/19/2015, 9:31 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

EmeraldGhost wrote:

Ain't it funny how many liberals will claim to have a "loose constructionist" view of the constitution will suddenly become "strict constructionists" depending on what particular agenda item they are trying to argue for or against?    Rolling Eyes

(To be fair, a lot of conservatives succumb to the same type of hypocrisy)

https://pensacoladiscussion.forumotion.com/t21129-why-are-republicans-conservatives-so-hypocritical-when-it-comes-to-this#248102

35trump immigration reform - Page 2 Empty Re: trump immigration reform 8/19/2015, 10:47 am

2seaoat



There is nothing hypocritical pointing out that our founding fathers did not put into the constitution an enumerated power of congress to restrict immigration.  That took xenophobic racism in the  1880s and then again in the 1920s.  For somebody to argue that we should follow the constitution to ban people from coming here is willful ignorance.  Stupid cannot be fixed.  Mass deportation of American citizens who were born here.......brilliant that racial purity now involves stripping citizens of their citizenship.  These proposals are as close as this country has come to the darkest of evil intent by a politician in America for 70 years.   Shame on some of the people in this forum supporting evil.

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