Vote No on Amendment 8

Dreamsglore wrote:It provides supporting a religion and if we do that then we might as well allow prayer in public schools. All kinds of freak religions will come up wanting gov. money.

No, it provides supporting equal standards across all institutions in regards to education and greater choice for parents and students. Some of the best state-funded Voluntary Pre-K programs in Pensacola are located in religious institutions....and it is the parents CHOICE whether or not to send their kids to a traditional VPK provider or one housed in a church.

The pray issue is, after all, a diversion from the issue. Anyone can pray in a public school, as well as, choose not to pray in a church classroom. Educational standards and benchmarking are what's important to students and many traditional public schools fail to delivery the best services to students.

I am voting no.

Margin Call wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:It provides supporting a religion and if we do that then we might as well allow prayer in public schools. All kinds of freak religions will come up wanting gov. money.

No, it provides supporting equal standards across all institutions in regards to education and greater choice for parents and students. Some of the best state-funded Voluntary Pre-K programs in Pensacola are located in religious institutions....and it is the parents CHOICE whether or not to send their kids to a traditional VPK provider or one housed in a church.

The pray issue is, after all, a diversion from the issue. Anyone can pray in a public school, as well as, choose not to pray in a church classroom. Educational standards and benchmarking are what's important to students and many traditional public schools fail to delivery the best services to students.

I don't want my tax money going to a Madrassa promoting Sharia law or hatred of infidels like myself.

Margin Call wrote:The pray issue is, after all, a diversion from the issue. Anyone can pray in a public school, as well as, choose not to pray in a church classroom. Educational standards and benchmarking are what's important to students and many traditional public schools fail to delivery the best services to students.

I disagree, MC. Having gone through 9 years of Catholic schools, I know that one of the mandatory subjects is Religion. A full period out of each day is devoted to Religion... and you do not get promoted to the next grade if you fail it. It's been a long time since I attended, but at Catholic High School, I seem to recall an organized prayer at the beginning of every other class as well, before getting down to the subject at hand.

Do we really want our tax monies going toward a Terry Jones school, a Westboro Baptist Church school, or a Muslim school that teaches strict adherence to Sharia Law? Personally, I don't
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Damaged Eagle - Since the world seems to believe that education is a gold standard for governments, we cannot abandon publicly funded schools. We would quickly become a nations of dummies... if we aren't there already. It is a rule of thumb that, with few exceptions higher-paying jobs go to areas with the best education... especially for technology jobs.

I'm voting NO as we don't need to lower our educational standards in Catholic Schools. I'll donate more money to Catholic Schools and pay my property taxes. Catholic Schools teach-up not down. Anyone check out PCHS graduation rates? Check out the scholarship-offer rates?

Good Luck at MCD.

Id like to ask that each of you educate the people around you on this law. Its very deceiving.

we are going to have a lot of good people who go oh yeah, more money for the church for education programs. not realizing it is going to allow the gov to set crteria and not only that as Ive said before. it will also allow other religions such as muslim to build schools with our tax dollars.

you know thats comin folks. so be diligent about spreading the word, we dont want to have to deal with this can of worms later. and I promise you we will if it passes.

Rogue wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:Why should the government be involved in education at all?

Why should people be FORCED to pay for the education of others?

Perhaps the government should be the one to be forced out of the education business.

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I have no problem with a public school system. The country is benefitted by having its population educated.

Let it be known I am not against Christians by coming out against this law. Just the oposit. This law will set up a premis for our gov to have more control over christian organizations.

not only that it will set us up to having all kinds of religions, some that may not be very popular to get our tax dollars. You know, like using our tax dollars to build mosque.

Are they educated?

Look at...

1. All the people who are still graduating without being able to read.

2. Sports gone nuts while those who are academic achievers are given little to no support finacially to further their education in college.

3. The ones who are held back or even drop out because they're bored to death with the pace set by a no person left behind program.

4. Political agendas being taught in the classroom.

5. Discriminating practices being promoted as the politically correct thing to do in the classroom. (We need to teach Islam beliefs but not Christian, Hindu, Budism, etc...)

6. Money stolen or wasted. (A trip to Brazil by a state official in Iowa to meet about teaching practices instead of using the high tech internet to hold that so important meeting at a much lower cost to the taxpayer).

7. Sex offending teachers constantly in the news (These are our professionals?).

8. A supposedly public organization that requires a union instead of settling for what the government is willing to hand out in pay and benefits. (Are we willing to allow the military to form a union also?)

...Need I go on?

I may not agree with this amendment 8 either... However I think that the government needs to be cut down a little and this is one area where the money flow is beginning not to be justified. People who choose to support other 'private' institutions of education should be allowed the option of not supporting the government institutions finacially. Let's just call it a separation of Church and state if you so choose.

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ever wondered why every govt and religion wants to educate children?

Yomama wrote:Damaged Eagle - Since the world seems to believe that education is a gold standard for governments, we cannot abandon publicly funded schools. We would quickly become a nations of dummies... if we aren't there already. It is a rule of thumb that, with few exceptions higher-paying jobs go to areas with the best education... especially for technology jobs.

See my last post to Rogue and...

...Do people really need to be educated past the eighth grade if the highest number of jobs being created today are in the burger flipping, shelf stocking, house cleaning, etc... industries?

There. They still have the opportunity to know how to do their reading, writing, and arithmetic, while cutting out four years of education.

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PkrBum wrote:ever wondered why every govt and religion wants to educate children?

The same reason they're wanting to be involved in health care.

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Damaged Eagle wrote:

Yomama wrote:Damaged Eagle - Since the world seems to believe that education is a gold standard for governments, we cannot abandon publicly funded schools. We would quickly become a nations of dummies... if we aren't there already. It is a rule of thumb that, with few exceptions higher-paying jobs go to areas with the best education... especially for technology jobs.

See my last post to Rogue and...

...Do people really need to be educated past the eighth grade if the highest number of jobs being created today are in the burger flipping, shelf stocking, house cleaning, etc... industries?

There. They still have the opportunity to know how to do their reading, writing, and arithmetic, while cutting out four years of education.

*****SMILE*****

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DE, I was contemplating stroking your beak, but your going to have to let me ruffle your feathers.

While many jobs in our society can be done with a 8th grade education. shouldnt we as a society set our goals a little higher than flipping burgers? Im sure many people with 8th grade educations could even go onto getting higher degrees but they would be the exceptions. And im afraid that a bunch of graduating 8th graders would severly mess up the working class more than it already is. Now with that said, and having a 8th grader at home right now, I do realize at that age they think they know everything.

and with all that said, this thread really isnt about education for me. its about allowing our tax dollars to go to fund radical schools such as islamist ones. because in all reality, christian schools in this country are well funded already. privatly. so why do we need a bill such as this?

2 reasons

1. the gov wants more control over christian schools
2. there are radical religions out there that are not popular and want to have a chance at becoming more popular, so they need gov funding.

dont fall for it. this is not good for us. I would continue to tell you to vote no on this but Im not sure this law is on the ballot in iowa.