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1 The Insecure American 5/31/2015, 9:01 pm
Floridatexan
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/29/opinion/paul-krugman-the-insecure-american.html?ref=opinion
2 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 2:44 am
2seaoat
our country has been stolen, and the people who we thought we could trust are just prostitutes for the 1%.......at this late juncture, it will take a miracle to right this ship, but America is great, and its people can see the theft.....but are slow to comprehend.....I know I was.
3 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 2:47 am
Markle
2seaoat wrote:our country has been stolen, and the people who we thought we could trust are just prostitutes for the 1%.......at this late juncture, it will take a miracle to right this ship, but America is great, and its people can see the theft.....but are slow to comprehend.....I know I was.
Led by your hero and community organizer semi-retired President Obama.
See Cloward Piven Strategy.
4 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 9:15 am
KarlRove
America is coming closer to judgment. My pastor believes it is only because of the remnant if those who still do practice Christianity pray for it not to happen. More of us believe that as folks turn a deaf EAR to God and fail to fear him, this nation will soon be an also-ran. We are hoping for revival. Is there any coincidence that America cannot be found mentioned in Revelations?
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5 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 9:34 am
Floridatexan
Was that a Freudian slip? "...turn a deaf war to God..."
6 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 9:52 am
Hospital Bob
God decided what your future would be a long time ago, Karl, and he put that in the Bible so you would know what it is.
God knew when he created the universe that atheists and queers and evolutionists and democrats would eventually destroy the world.
BUT, the good news is that, before that happens, Jesus will come back and take you to Heaven and send all us atheists and queers and evolutionists and democrats to Hell.
So what's your beef, Karl? No matter what happens to us, you will still go to Heaven. And just think about how wonderful it will be. You won't have to be around atheists and queers and evolutionists and democrats any longer.
All the folks in Heaven will think just like you.
Instead of whining about it you should be celebrating over it.
God knew when he created the universe that atheists and queers and evolutionists and democrats would eventually destroy the world.
BUT, the good news is that, before that happens, Jesus will come back and take you to Heaven and send all us atheists and queers and evolutionists and democrats to Hell.
So what's your beef, Karl? No matter what happens to us, you will still go to Heaven. And just think about how wonderful it will be. You won't have to be around atheists and queers and evolutionists and democrats any longer.
All the folks in Heaven will think just like you.
Instead of whining about it you should be celebrating over it.
7 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 12:00 pm
othershoe1030
Bob wrote:God decided what your future would be a long time ago, Karl, and he put that in the Bible so you would know what it is.
God knew when he created the universe that atheists and queers and evolutionists and democrats would eventually destroy the world.
BUT, the good news is that, before that happens, Jesus will come back and take you to Heaven and send all us atheists and queers and evolutionists and democrats to Hell.
So what's your beef, Karl? No matter what happens to us, you will still go to Heaven. And just think about how wonderful it will be. You won't have to be around atheists and queers and evolutionists and democrats any longer.
All the folks in Heaven will think just like you.
Instead of whining about it you should be celebrating over it.
What an insightful post. How could Karl disagree? Just wonderful. Hit the nail and all that...
8 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 12:04 pm
othershoe1030
Markle wrote:2seaoat wrote:our country has been stolen, and the people who we thought we could trust are just prostitutes for the 1%.......at this late juncture, it will take a miracle to right this ship, but America is great, and its people can see the theft.....but are slow to comprehend.....I know I was.
Led by your hero and community organizer semi-retired President Obama.
See Cloward Piven Strategy.
See "small enough to drown in a bathtub" strategy.
9 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 12:18 pm
2seaoat
Wealth transfer is measurable. There is no secret who is stealing America. It can be corrected. I will be corrected.
10 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 12:47 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
I can see Karl is getting wrapped around the axle with his fundamentalist end-times junk again.
Of course, he would also say that so long as we continue to kill Muslims, and fight Zionist-Israel's battles, including making war against Iran, God will shine on America and perhaps spare us from His wrath.
Of course, he would also say that so long as we continue to kill Muslims, and fight Zionist-Israel's battles, including making war against Iran, God will shine on America and perhaps spare us from His wrath.
11 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 12:54 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
Oh, and semi-demented poster Markle again brings up Cloward and Piven, two academics who apparently had a powerful influence over America, according to wingnut history. Oddly, 99% of America has never before heard of this dynamic-duo, who likely had as much real power as Batman and Robin did. 
12 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 1:08 pm
KarlRove
Maybe I'm here to let you know it's not too late for you to come to Jesus Bob
13 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 3:56 pm
Hospital Bob
KarlRove wrote:Maybe I'm here to let you know it's not too late for you to come to Jesus Bob
I know when you tell me that it's because you have only good intentions, Karl. And I really do appreciate the concern.
So this time we'll just leave it go at that.
14 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 6:40 pm
Markle
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Oh, and semi-demented poster Markle again brings up Cloward and Piven, two academics who apparently had a powerful influence over America, according to wingnut history. Oddly, 99% of America has never before heard of this dynamic-duo, who likely had as much real power as Batman and Robin did.
Just because someone has not heard of the Cloward-Piven Strategy does not mean it is followed and loved by Progressives.
Who was standing behind President Clinton when he signed the horrid "motor voter" law?
What is there about thee Cloward-Piven Strategy which is NOT being followed, to the letter, by this failed administration? Come on, step up ZVUGKTUBM what is the difference?
15 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 6:45 pm
Hospital Bob
Markle,
Here's another take on your "Coward Pliven Strategy".
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=557456
I love his comment at the end. He characterizes this conspiracy theory about Cloward Pliven Strategy this way...
I mean, this makes the Socialist Muslim Antichrist thing look rational by comparison. lol
Here's another take on your "Coward Pliven Strategy".
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=557456
I love his comment at the end. He characterizes this conspiracy theory about Cloward Pliven Strategy this way...
I mean, this makes the Socialist Muslim Antichrist thing look rational by comparison. lol
16 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 6:48 pm
Hospital Bob
And also this...
"Cloward-Piven Strategy" (a little-noticed radical idea presented in an article in The Nation in 1966 to overwhelm the welfare rolls and provoke demand for a 'guaranteed national income')"
Markle, I think you're ready to go full-bore into Alex Joneses world and start talking about controlled demolitions and stuff. And don't feel bad cause you aint alone. Brother Carl Gallups has now gone down that hole too. After his birther conspiracy petered out on him, he needs new ones. lol
"Cloward-Piven Strategy" (a little-noticed radical idea presented in an article in The Nation in 1966 to overwhelm the welfare rolls and provoke demand for a 'guaranteed national income')"
Markle, I think you're ready to go full-bore into Alex Joneses world and start talking about controlled demolitions and stuff. And don't feel bad cause you aint alone. Brother Carl Gallups has now gone down that hole too. After his birther conspiracy petered out on him, he needs new ones. lol
17 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 8:46 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
Bob wrote:Markle,
Here's another take on your "Coward Pliven Strategy".
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=557456
I love his comment at the end. He characterizes this conspiracy theory about Cloward Pliven Strategy this way...
I mean, this makes the Socialist Muslim Antichrist thing look rational by comparison. lol
And semi-demented poster Markle thinks it is all real.... It is horseshit, tin-foil hat crap.
18 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 9:20 pm
Sal
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Bob wrote:Markle,
Here's another take on your "Coward Pliven Strategy".
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=557456
I love his comment at the end. He characterizes this conspiracy theory about Cloward Pliven Strategy this way...
I mean, this makes the Socialist Muslim Antichrist thing look rational by comparison. lol
And semi-demented poster Markle thinks it is all real.... It is horseshit, tin-foil hat crap.
You, in particular, should be circumspect with the "horseshit, tin-foil hat crap" line.
Just sayin'.
19 Re: The Insecure American 6/1/2015, 11:29 pm
Markle
Bob wrote:And also this...
"Cloward-Piven Strategy" (a little-noticed radical idea presented in an article in The Nation in 1966 to overwhelm the welfare rolls and provoke demand for a 'guaranteed national income')"
Markle, I think you're ready to go full-bore into Alex Joneses world and start talking about controlled demolitions and stuff. And don't feel bad cause you aint alone. Brother Carl Gallups has now gone down that hole too. After his birther conspiracy petered out on him, he needs new ones. lol
Come on, step up and show your stuff!
Show us where the results of semi-retired President Obama's polices have not followed the Cloward-Piven Strategy to the letter.
Oh, there is nothing little noticed about the Strategy. Cloward and Piven were both invited and had places of honor behind President Clinton when he signed the horrid Motor Voter law.
Do you know what is included in the Cloward-Piven strategy? Come on, share your brilliance with us!
20 Re: The Insecure American 6/2/2015, 6:50 am
Hospital Bob
Markle wrote:
Do you know what is included in the Cloward-Piven strategy? Come on, share your brilliance with us!
I don't need any brilliance for this, just google (specifically wikipedia).
The strategy
Cloward and Piven's article is focused on forcing the Democratic Party, which in 1966 controlled the presidency and both houses of the United States Congress, to take federal action to help the poor. They stated that full enrollment of those eligible for welfare "would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments" that would: "...deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition: the remaining white middle class, the working-class ethnic groups and the growing minority poor. To avoid a further weakening of that historic coalition, a national Democratic administration would be constrained to advance a federal solution to poverty that would override local welfare failures, local class and racial conflicts and local revenue dilemmas."[3]
They further wrote:
“ The ultimate objective of this strategy—to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income—will be questioned by some. Because the ideal of individual social and economic mobility has deep roots, even activists seem reluctant to call for national programs to eliminate poverty by the outright redistribution of income.[3] ”
Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income. They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy."[4]
The issue is not that this Cloward and Piven proposed a "strategy" 50 years ago. The issue is whether or not Obama adopted this 50 year old strategy.
And just reading that wiki page tells me you got all these notions from Glenn Beck.
It's like this, markle. What Glenn Beck and you Obama haters have done with this "Cloward Piven Strategy" is exactly like what the Bush haters try to do with the "PNAC Strategy" when they claim Bush played out that strategy by blowing up the World Trade Center.
Does your brilliance know anything about that one, Markle?...
THE GLOBAL ELITE ENGINEERED 9/11:
HERE IS THE EVIDENCE
In 1997, a think-tank called the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was created. Members of PNAC—also known as "Neocons"—are affiliated with the Bush Administration; George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Lewis Libby, Richard Perle, John Bolton and Paul Wolfowitz, among others.
PNAC drafted a blueprint to help the Clinton Administration's successors speed up the New World Order (NWO) agenda for global hegemony. The plan for world-government needed to be implemented by the turn of the century, marking the start of what Luciferian occultists refer to as the "Age of Aquarius."
In September of 2000, PNAC's report stated that their aspiration to conquer and militarize global resources would be achieved much too slowly, "unless there were some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor."
They needed an external threat to galvanize a wave of public indignation that would lead the American people to blindly support and finance PNAC's desires to wage wars, confiscate critical foreign resources, run pipelines through the Caspian Sea, create new overseas bases with an unrestricted permanent military presence, and expand their power throughout Middle Eastern countries through privately owned central banks.
PNAC had been itching to wage war with Iraq for some time. In an open letter to Clinton and GOP congressional leaders, dated 1998, PNAC called for the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime. They needed a power shift to commence the advancement of their blueprint by first gaining more dominance in the Middle East; 9/11 was the perfect pretext. (Click here to read a copy of the letter posted on their official website.)
Their main goal, however, is to usher in a global Luciferian dictatorship; a plan that the Jesuits, PNAC, Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, and all other branches of the Illuminati refer to as the "New World Order."
Consider that PNAC's mission statement has twenty-five signatories. Seventeen (68%) of the twenty-five belong to the Council on Foreign Relations. This should also raise a red flag as the CFR's primary goal is one-world government.
Many high-profile politicians from both parties are members of the Bilderberg group, the CFR, and the Trilateral Commission; all of which are organizations loyal to a globalist agenda that is hostile to nationhood.
The CFR has stacked the deck for the 2008 election with several of its members in the race from both sides of the aisle: Namely John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, Bill Richardson, John McCain, Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani . . . Candidates do not advertise their CFR membership to the public. They pose as "Liberals" and "Conservatives" to control all aspects of the debate. They dupe an unwitting public with the illusion of choice and political diversity in a fraudulent left-right paradigm, so that their covert agenda can continue to roll forward, without any interference, regardless of who is elected president.
Since 9/11, PNAC's blueprint has been surreptitiously and exponentially activated behind the guise of fighting a war against "terrorism." They fan the flames of this war to instill within us a paralyzing fear, and a willingness to accept Orwellian policies deemed necessary to "keep us safe"; even when it means waging wars based on phony intelligence; sabotaging our civil liberties with the Patriot Act; shredding the Constitution and the Bill of Rights; justifying torture; supporting human enslavement through Agenda 21; systematically eradicating the middle class, Habeas Corpus, the Posse Comitatus Act, and our national sovereignty via the North American Union. In reality, none of our puppet government's core policies are meant to keep us "safe" from this larger than life phantom menace they have created to scare us into submission.
The most powerful leaders in American politics are merely front men for an even mightier elite class who work in the shadows. The sole agenda of top political leaders is to serve the Illuminati chieftains. Modern-day U.S. presidents are not elected, they are selected to act as puppets for Illuminati bloodlines who pull their strings from behind the scenes.
The Illuminati puppeteers are employing the same deceptive tactics they considered using against the American people over 40 years ago. America's top military leaders drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to trick the public into supporting a war against Cuba in the early 1960s. Approved in writing by the Pentagon Joint Chiefs, Operation Northwoods even proposed blowing up a U.S. ship and hijacking planes to blame on Cuba as a false pretext for war.
Hermann Goering, leading member of the Nazi party and military, infamously said: "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
On September 11th, 2001, exactly one year after the release of their year-2000 report, and mere months after Bush and his PNAC cronies infiltrated the White House, their need for a "catastrophic and catalyzing event" transpired. How convenient. The most powerful office in the world had been passed to them like a baton from the previous New World Order puppet, Bill Clinton.
At that point, they had the pinnacle of power and authority to see their New World Order objectives through. 9/11 was the once in a lifetime window of opportunity they needed to enable their agenda. On that grievous day occurred the most horrific false flag operation perpetrated in U.S. history.
http://911truthseeker.webs.com/
You're two peas from the same conspiracy pod, markle.
The ones of you who hate Bush will assign any conspiracy to him.
The ones of you who hate Obama will assign any conspiracy to him.
No brilliance is needed to understand all this nonsense, markle. Just a good working knowledge of how professional wrestling operates.
21 Re: The Insecure American 6/2/2015, 8:06 am
Hospital Bob
Glenn Beck has brought up Cloward and Piven on at least twenty-eight episodes of his show over the past year. Beck is sometimes aided by a blackboard on which he has diagramed something called "The Tree of Revolution," which links Che Guevara, SEIU and ACORN's Wade Rathke to Saul Alinsky, the Sierra Club's Carl Pope, Bill Ayers and, perhaps most improbably, to White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett. In the center of the tree's arching trunk, above SDS and Woodrow Wilson (!?) but below Barack Obama, who adorns the tree's crown, Beck has scrawled "Cloward & Piven."
Beck's tree, however, is derivative of and pales in comparison with the flow chart created by Jim Simpson, a self-described businessman and former George H.W. Bush White House budget analyst and the leading proponent of the Cloward-Piven conspiracy theory. Cribbing from Horowitz, but adding his own very special embellishments, Simpson has penned an 18,000-word, six-part exposé of the "Cloward-Piven strategy," which can be found on the websites Americanthinker.com and Americandaughter.com. I have read it so you don't have to. The central innovations of this wild and woolly compilation of right-wing myths, published in installments during the summer and fall of 2008, are to attribute nearly every past, present and future crisis to Cloward and Piven and to link them to Obama's political past and agenda. Among the schemes Simpson credits to the Cloward-Piven strategy are healthcare reform, the Employee Free Choice Act, cap and trade, immigration reform, hate crimes legislation and public financing of elections. For Simpson, the Cloward-Piven strategy is vast, vast--"a malevolent overarching strategy that has motivated many, if not all, of the most destructive radical leftist organizations in the United States since the 1960s." And beyond: somehow, Gorbachev's Crimean dacha is implicated, as are Saddam Hussein's palaces.
Suffice it to say, if Beck and crew believe half of this crap, they belong in an asylum in the middle of Shutter Island, where they can tend to their survival seeds and sleuth out imagined conspiracies apart from the rest of the human population. The danger, however, is that they will maroon a sizable portion of the electorate there with them.
http://www.teamster.net/topic/53128-the-bogus-cloward-piven-conspiracy-and-other-ignorant-claims/
Beck's tree, however, is derivative of and pales in comparison with the flow chart created by Jim Simpson, a self-described businessman and former George H.W. Bush White House budget analyst and the leading proponent of the Cloward-Piven conspiracy theory. Cribbing from Horowitz, but adding his own very special embellishments, Simpson has penned an 18,000-word, six-part exposé of the "Cloward-Piven strategy," which can be found on the websites Americanthinker.com and Americandaughter.com. I have read it so you don't have to. The central innovations of this wild and woolly compilation of right-wing myths, published in installments during the summer and fall of 2008, are to attribute nearly every past, present and future crisis to Cloward and Piven and to link them to Obama's political past and agenda. Among the schemes Simpson credits to the Cloward-Piven strategy are healthcare reform, the Employee Free Choice Act, cap and trade, immigration reform, hate crimes legislation and public financing of elections. For Simpson, the Cloward-Piven strategy is vast, vast--"a malevolent overarching strategy that has motivated many, if not all, of the most destructive radical leftist organizations in the United States since the 1960s." And beyond: somehow, Gorbachev's Crimean dacha is implicated, as are Saddam Hussein's palaces.
Suffice it to say, if Beck and crew believe half of this crap, they belong in an asylum in the middle of Shutter Island, where they can tend to their survival seeds and sleuth out imagined conspiracies apart from the rest of the human population. The danger, however, is that they will maroon a sizable portion of the electorate there with them.
http://www.teamster.net/topic/53128-the-bogus-cloward-piven-conspiracy-and-other-ignorant-claims/
22 Re: The Insecure American 6/2/2015, 8:13 am
Hospital Bob
I tried to find that "conspiraloon" cartoon you like to post so much, markle, so I could post it to this thread.
But since I couldn't find that one, maybe this one will do.
But since I couldn't find that one, maybe this one will do.
24 Re: The Insecure American 6/2/2015, 9:03 am
KarlRove
[quote="Bob"]
Obama couldn't be part of any plan run by others because he is a narcissist. Everything has to be about him and making him look good. He's been a jack ___ for 6.5 years. There's no way BHO could keep a secret either like when Bin Laden was allegedly killed. He wasn't supposed to spike the football the way he did. Nothing was supposed to be said. It goes against every grain in his body not to showboat and grandstand and that's why you are wrong Bob.
Markle wrote:
The ones of you who hate Obama will assign any conspiracy to him.
.
Obama couldn't be part of any plan run by others because he is a narcissist. Everything has to be about him and making him look good. He's been a jack ___ for 6.5 years. There's no way BHO could keep a secret either like when Bin Laden was allegedly killed. He wasn't supposed to spike the football the way he did. Nothing was supposed to be said. It goes against every grain in his body not to showboat and grandstand and that's why you are wrong Bob.
25 Re: The Insecure American 6/2/2015, 9:23 am
Hospital Bob
KarlRove wrote:Bob wrote:Markle wrote:
The ones of you who hate Obama will assign any conspiracy to him.
.
Obama couldn't be part of any plan run by others because he is a narcissist. Everything has to be about him and making him look good. He's been a jack ___ for 6.5 years. There's no way BHO could keep a secret either like when Bin Laden was allegedly killed. He wasn't supposed to spike the football the way he did. Nothing was supposed to be said. It goes against every grain in his body not to showboat and grandstand and that's why you are wrong Bob.
You've confused me, Karl.
If Obama "can't keep a secret". And if he "couldn't be part of any plan run by others because he's a narcissist"; and if that's the reason he couldn't be part of a "Cloward Piven" conspiracy or any other conspiracy;
then how does that make me be wrong?
Because I agree. All politicians who even attempt to be president in this day and age are narcissists by necessity and that includes Obama. Why else would they be willing to go through a nightmarish 2-year long campaign to get the job. Ego is the only thing that would motivate an individual to want to do that.
It doesn't matter if it's Obama or Bush or Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney or whoever. It applies to all of them.
So yes that's what drives them, not some ridiculous conspiracy.
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