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ISIS is Winning the Hearts and Minds of Americans

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Sal

Sal

We are absolutely incapable as a nation of learning even the simplest of lessons.

ISIS's death porn propaganda campaign has been more successful than their wildest dreams, and the American people want to give them exactly what they've been hoping for.

We are truly and completely fucked.

Amid more executions by the militant group ISIS, Americans increasingly see the group as a threat to the U.S. Now, 65 percent of Americans view ISIS as a major threat – up from 58 percent in October – while another 18 percent view it as a minor threat. Majorities of Republicans (86 percent), Democrats (61 percent) and independents (57 percent) view ISIS as a major threat.

With concern about ISIS growing, support for the use of U.S. ground troops in the fight against ISIS has risen. For the first time, a majority of Americans (57 percent) favor the U.S. sending ground troops into Iraq and Syria to fight ISIS. In October, Americans were divided (47 percent favored and 46 percent opposed), and in September these numbers were reversed (39 percent favored and 55 percent opposed).

Support for sending U.S. ground troops to fight ISIS has risen among all partisans, but particularly among Democrats and independents. Back in October, 56 percent of Democrats and 49 percent of independents disapproved of using ground troops – now 50 percent of Democrats approve and 53 percent of independents favor using ground troops.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/do-americans-want-to-send-ground-troops-to-fight-isis/

2seaoat



My most successful plays while coaching basketball were variations of the backdoor play, where you use your opponents over aggressive response to score and win. Thankfully we elected an intelligent President who has really mastered foreign relations and is not taking the bait, and giving mere lip service to the choir of folks chanting go get em.......let them score.....again.....and again......and again.

2seaoat



In other Middle East News, a criminal gang was breaking down doors and robbing valuables from senior citizens in Yemen when Butchmeup got up on the Senate floor and pounded his fist on his desk.....this President has no leadership......this President is perceived as weak by Middle East burglars and other Presidents.......It is not enough to send them heavy duty hinges.....we must send boots on the ground.

nadalfan



This is troubling. If people would take off their political blinders and actually listen to what the President is saying and pay attention to what he is doing, they might see the logic behind it.

How will sending ground troops help? More importantly, how will it hurt? People want an immediate resolution; will ground troops do that?

Like Shep Smith, how will Americans feel when they capture and burn an American soldier in front of the cameras?

nadalfan



A comment from the article Sal linked

JAKESHUMAN 3 hours ago
Ah, the drumbeat of war. Here it goes pounding again. And, just as it has so many times before, the only ones who will win are those who make the weapons and those who profit from war. The soldiers won't win, the civilians won't win and nothing will be won except the knowledge that in a few years the losses will have outweighed whatever we have gained. I was a Ranger in Vietnam. I served in the bush. I know what war is like and I know nobody wins except those who line their wallets through the blood of others. We didn't win in Iraq. When we invaded we opened a Pandora's box of extremism that we are now trying to close. Iraq was a mistake. Going into Syria would be a mistake. It's always amazed me how willing Americans are to be talked into war and how unwilling they are to pay for the economic and human suffering resulting from it. It always amazes me how easily they forget the 50K+ lives we lost in Vietnam or those who have already died in Iraq and Afghanistan. No sacrifice is too much when it comes to pounding our chests and saying we "kicked ass." However, when it comes to paying for it, we let our veterans sit in a morass of paperwork and PTSD and complain about how much it costs or we cut the budget for essential services and infrastructure so we can strut around and be pleased with how powerful we are. Nope, you want a war, you go fight it. I've had my fill of strutting peacocks, dead young men and women, and constant budget battles.

Sal

Sal

The evil blood-suckers of the MIC must be chuckling gleefully at the ease in which the American people can be goaded onto a war footing.

Meanwhile, the Republicans in Congress insist that the President's proposed AUMF is not broad enough and demand that he be given the authority to wage endless war forever - this to a President that they absolutely loathe.

The last thirteen years of war waging in the region has been a disaster for our nation and a catastrophe for the Middle East, but let's do it again, because what could possibly go wrong?

It's mind-boggling.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Sal wrote:The last thirteen years of war waging in the region has been a disaster for our nation and a catastrophe for the Middle East......It's mind-boggling.

Make sure you remember this when posters Markle (semi-rational) and KarlRove come strutting back here saying we must put boots back on the ground in Iraq. Markle claims we were winning in Iraq, until President Obama "lost" the war for us. Markle has been a cheerleader of our military interventions in Iraq from day one.

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KarlRove

KarlRove

by nadalfan Yesterday at 6:21 pm
This is troubling. If people would take off their political blinders and actually listen to what the President is saying and pay attention to what he is doing, they might see the logic behind it.

How will sending ground troops help? More importantly, how will it hurt? People want an immediate resolution; will ground troops do that?

Like Shep Smith, how will Americans feel when they capture and burn an American soldier in front of the cameras?
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We know how it turns out dude. It happened in Iraq wirh the one guy AQ capitured. What's your point ?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

KarlRove wrote:by nadalfan Yesterday at 6:21 pm
This is troubling. If people would take off their political blinders and actually listen to what the President is saying and pay attention to what he is doing, they might see the logic behind it.

How will sending ground troops help? More importantly, how will it hurt? People want an immediate resolution; will ground troops do that?

Like Shep Smith, how will Americans feel when they capture and burn an American soldier in front of the cameras?
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We know how it turns out dude. It happened in Iraq wirh the one guy AQ capitured. What's your point ?

His point is simple, yet evidently too complex for War Heroes like you to grasp.  He's saying let the ISIS assholes dig their own grave by taking on every despotic, tyrannical regime in the region.  Give them weapons support, intel support and logistic support if necessary.  But keep dumb fucks like you away from the action.   Let the Arabs settle their own problems.  

Get it yet?  NO CRUSADERS NEEDED!

KarlRove

KarlRove

KarlRove wrote:
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by nadalfan Yesterday at 6:21 pm
This is troubling. If people would take off their political blinders and actually listen to what the President is saying and pay attention to what he is doing, they might see the logic behind it.

How will sending ground troops help? More importantly, how will it hurt? People want an immediate resolution; will ground troops do that?

Like Shep Smith, how will Americans feel when they capture and burn an American soldier in front of the cameras?
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We know how it turns out dude. It happened in Iraq wirh the one guy AQ capitured. What's your point ?
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His point is simple, yet evidently too complex for War Heroes like you to grasp. He's saying let the ISIS assholes dig their own grave by taking on every despotic, tyrannical regime in the region. Give them weapons support, intel support and logistic support if necessary. But keep dumb fucks like you away from the action. Let the Arabs settle their own problems.

Get it yet? NO CRUSADERS NEEDED!
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I don't have to be boots on the ground to contribute. You are way behind the times old man.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

There is money to be made and power to be taken/imposed so the cheerleaders for war get louder. I keep wondering where all those new Toyota pickup trucks were purchased? Who paid for the nifty flags and uniforms we see ISIS performing in? Where did these guys train? They seem to have sprung out of nowhere in their present form, trained outfitted and motivated.

I heard a suggestion the other day that some world leader said they might be advised to impose an arms embargo on this group. You think? To say something doesn't smell right with the whole ISIS event is to understate the situation.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

othershoe1030 wrote:There is money to be made and power to be taken/imposed so the cheerleaders for war get louder. I keep wondering where all those new Toyota pickup trucks were purchased? Who paid for the nifty flags and uniforms we see ISIS performing in? Where did these guys train? They seem to have sprung out of nowhere in their present form, trained outfitted and motivated.

I heard a suggestion the other day that some world leader said they might be advised to impose an arms embargo on this group. You think? To say something doesn't smell right with the whole ISIS event is to understate the situation.


Thought you'd like to know your thought is an echo of a suspicion mentioned to me by a Copt -- an Egyptian Christian -- who is now a citizen of America and a fine family doctor. When discussing the recent beheadings of Coptics by ISIS the good doctor said he believed that ISIS had not sprung up on his own, but "by someone who wants war and unrest in the entire MidEast region."

The real question is, who?

gatorfan



Sal wrote:[font=Arial Black]We are absolutely incapable as a nation of learning even the simplest of lessons.

ISIS's death porn propaganda campaign has been more successful than their wildest dreams, and the American people want to give them exactly what they've been hoping for.

Well when Democrat Number One says things like this one can only expect the unwashed to believe:

"Obama said, terror networks like ISIS and the Khorasan Group — an al Qaeda offshoot operating in Syria that was also targeted in U.S. air strikes — pose “immediate threats to the United States.”

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/219144-obama-isis-a-more-immediate-concern-than-assad

nadalfan



Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:by nadalfan Yesterday at 6:21 pm
This is troubling. If people would take off their political blinders and actually listen to what the President is saying and pay attention to what he is doing, they might see the logic behind it.

How will sending ground troops help? More importantly, how will it hurt? People want an immediate resolution; will ground troops do that?

Like Shep Smith, how will Americans feel when they capture and burn an American soldier in front of the cameras?
----
We know how it turns out dude. It happened in Iraq wirh the one guy AQ capitured. What's your point ?

His point is simple, yet evidently too complex for War Heroes like you to grasp.  He's saying let the ISIS assholes dig their own grave by taking on every despotic, tyrannical regime in the region.  Give them weapons support, intel support and logistic support if necessary.  But keep dumb fucks like you away from the action.   Let the Arabs settle their own problems.  

Get it yet?  NO CRUSADERS NEEDED!

yep

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/isil-cant-be-beat-on-the-battlefield-alone-115233.html#.VOiCj_nF-gY

"We can degrade, defeat, and indeed destroy ISIL and the other champions of hate and terror. We will need the help of the US and other partners to win. But we also know that it must be a cause led by those in the region—and on the ground—with the most at stake."

Yousef Al Otaiba is the ambassador of the United Arab Emirates to the United States.

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